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Susano

Mar 1st, '03, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Tclynch
Hey!
Did you see that in a theater or do you know someone who has a DVD/VHS copy? I'm curious as I was waiting for it to come out at theaters.:confused:

I found a HK import DVD in the used DVD bin of a CD/DVD store I requent. This same store has given up SPIRITED AWAY (A Japanese release not yet avalable here!), the 128 minute cut of THE STORM RIDERS, ZU: WARRIORS OF THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN, and RAN (all for under 14.00 each!).

Nato

Mar 1st, '03, 09:58 PM

Susano, just wondering if you, or anyone else for that matter has ever seen a movie called 'Deadly Life of a Ninja?" I believe it's also known as "Life of Ninja." Or am I and my old high-school buddies the only ones?

It's of course extremely cheesy with horrible dubbing. It will kill you! We used to make any new friends watch it as initition into our group.

Some highlights include:

1) The Japanese cops with Texas accents. "I recon we found our Ninjer."

2) The scene where a woman is assassinated in the shower. The hitman climbs into the room, opens a briefcase that is refregerated and is holding a large icicle. After he stabs her, it melts. Voila, no more murder weapon. Ingenious.

3)The scene where where two women ninjas, clad only in bikinis, mud wrestle as part of their grueling ninja training program.

4)After that, a giant Chinese wrestler gets shot head first through a bamboo wall with a giant rubber-band catapult, to toughen him up of course.

3) The scene in which a prostitute rides a john around the room like a horsey, slapping his but and screaming "heeyah."

4) A flashback scene of our main protagonist, thinking back to a checker game with his blind master, Ta Ge Ge (sp?). Outside the paper house, ninja's scale the walls. Ta Ge Ge senses this, and flings a checker through the paper window, killing the ninja.

5) At the end the big boss finally meets his dead arch-nemesis' pupil. In a very Groucho Marx voice he says, "So, ya rilly aaaare Taaaaa Geeeeee Geeeeee's Chiiiiiiiiiiiineese disciple. How are ya?"

You can actually even get it on Amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005B6LJ/qid=1046584088/sr=8-7/ref=sr_8_7/102-0222978-6111377?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

It's also at Blockbuster according to their website.

It funs to watch, if only for the laughs but there is a lot of fighting going on and even some wire stuff.

Nato

Mar 1st, '03, 10:03 PM

Great lines like this...

""To the Ninja only cowards use guns. Ninja is more than a way of life, it's a way of death!!"

Anyway, found another link to it on Amazon. Says release date 1987. The "Life of Ninja" ones are 1985. Maybe they rereleased it as "Deadly Life of a Ninja" later. Who knows.

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y0451159Y9840574/qid=1046584642/sr=1-2/102-0222978-6111377#details

The cover has a blurb that reads "Live Killing Machines."

Good times indeed.

Tclynch

Mar 1st, '03, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Susano
I found a HK import DVD in the used DVD bin o a CD/DVD store I requent. This same store has given up SPIRITED AWAY (A Japanese release not yet avalable here!), the 128 minute cut of THE STORM RIDERS, ZU: WARRIORS OF THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN, and RAN (all for under 14.00 each!).

DOH! Lucky Dog!:eek:

Susano

Mar 1st, '03, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Tclynch
DOH! Lucky Dog!:eek:

I now make a habit of hitting this place around once a week, if possible.

KawangaKid

Mar 2nd, '03, 10:45 PM

You should also keep an eye out for "God of Cookery", another Stephen Chow film...

Other recommended HK flicks include "So Close" (girl buddy film / heist / techno-thriller with HK supermodels as the main cast members) and "Double Vision" (buddy cop film / horror with David Morse).

"Double Vision" gets points for the line delivered to David Morse... "In all your years in the FBI, you've never encountered a demon before?"

urbwar

Mar 5th, '03, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Susano
I just watched SHAOLIN SOCCER.

Now I know what style the woman on page 76 uses.

If you can -- see this film. You might hurt yourself laughing, but it is worth every second.

This is a great film. I heard that Disney got the US rights, but I've also heard they are going to edit it, and worse, dub it. Best to get the DVD. I got mine here in NYC in Chinatown for 12 bucks. It was worth it.

I'd also reccomend some of the Mr. Vampire films, cause Hopping Vampires are just too cool :p

Neko Ewen

Mar 10th, '03, 06:24 PM

You might also want to check out a Japanese movie called "Versus". It's... well, unique and hard to describe. It starts with gunfighting with Yakuza thugs, moves into stuff with zombies, and winds up involving a clash of two godlike warriors. Violent, bloody, and very, very stylish.

urbwar

Mar 10th, '03, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Neko Ewen
You might also want to check out a Japanese movie called "Versus". It's... well, unique and hard to describe. It starts with gunfighting with Yakuza thugs, moves into stuff with zombies, and winds up involving a clash of two godlike warriors. Violent, bloody, and very, very stylish.

Yeah, Versus is great. Even more unique would be Wild Zero. Punk Rockers, zombies, aliens, and cross dressing. Great stuff :p

danbuter

Mar 12th, '03, 02:53 PM

You guys are forgetting what is quite probably the greatest Ninja website ever. It is very informative, and makes me want to flip out and kill people :D .
http://www.realultimatepower.net

Alibear

Mar 13th, '03, 04:00 AM

This thread has made me think about my favourite Kung Fu film from the 80's, "The man from Hong Kong." Total pish of course but there are a couple of great fight scenes, one in a Dojo another in a restraunt and kitchen. My favourite part is that one of the combatants hasbright yellow underwear on and splits his trousers up the middle during a fight scene. :D

I now wonder if that was super-subtle comedy or just a perfect accident?

Harry Canyon

Mar 19th, '03, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Susano
I found a HK import DVD in the used DVD bin of a CD/DVD store I requent. This same store has given up SPIRITED AWAY (A Japanese release not yet avalable here!), the 128 minute cut of THE STORM RIDERS, ZU: WARRIORS OF THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN, and RAN (all for under 14.00 each!). If you're in the San Francisco Bay Area, the Rasputin's in San Leandro, has a large selection of Martial Arts/Hong Kong movies. They aren't bargain prices by any means, but they do have them...

They also have an entire section of B/Shlock horror films...

Take care,

Harry

Champsguy

Mar 19th, '03, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Nato
Susano, just wondering if you, or anyone else for that matter has ever seen a movie called 'Deadly Life of a Ninja?" I believe it's also known as "Life of Ninja." Or am I and my old high-school buddies the only ones?

A friend of mine (Superskrull, actually) and I found this for 5 bucks in a Wal-Mart bin a few months ago. He bought it, but neither of us have bothered to watch it yet. Guess we will. :)

urbwar

Mar 19th, '03, 04:57 PM

Just got this movie on DVD. Plan on watching it soon as a double Jet Li feature with Swordsman 2. I saw Swordsman the other day, and it kicked ass. Really cool swordplay stuff. Definitely one for the Ninja Hero viewing list. Same with Butterfly & Sword too!

BTW, there is a comic company putting out trades of some HK comics. They have Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Storm Riders, Heaven Sword & Dragon Sabre (part of which was made into Kung Fu Colt Master/Kung Fu Cult Master, which Jet Li was in), and a few others. I downloaded a sample pdf, and it looks pretty neat.

http://www.comicsone.com is the site, if anyone is interested in checking it out

NuSoardGraphite

Mar 20th, '03, 03:00 AM

I have the first book of Saint Legend from that comic company. I'm planning on collecting Crouching Tiger and Dragon Sword, Heaven Sabre.

The Swordsman 2 is good stuff. Chaotic as all hell (like most Wuxia films from Ching Siu Tung) but quite fun. I also recommend Duel to the Death, Dragon Inn (Ching as fight choreographer) and Butterfly and Sword.

urbwar

Mar 20th, '03, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
I have the first book of Saint Legend from that comic company. I'm planning on collecting Crouching Tiger and Dragon Sword, Heaven Sabre.

I want to get those two series for sure. Might also get some copies of Legendary Couple and Storm Riders

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite

The Swordsman 2 is good stuff. Chaotic as all hell (like most Wuxia films from Ching Siu Tung) but quite fun. I also recommend Duel to the Death, Dragon Inn (Ching as fight choreographer) and Butterfly and Sword.

Butterfly and Sword I've seen twice before. Great stuff. Was Duel to the Death remade as The Duel in 2000 (with Ekin Chang and Andy Lau)? That one I have. Dragon Inn I still need to get.

Hero was pretty good. The fight scenes are not as long as they usually are, but they were pretty good. The story can be slightly confusing, but I think overall, it was a good picture. The fight scene between Jet Li and Donnie Yen was the best of the bunch.

Rage

Mar 20th, '03, 09:25 PM

Has anyone seen ninja terminator?

NuSoardGraphite

Mar 21st, '03, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by urbwar
I want to get those two series for sure. Might also get some copies of Legendary Couple and Storm Riders

Doh! Forgot about Storm Riders! Can't forget that one...

Butterfly and Sword I've seen twice before. Great stuff. Was Duel to the Death remade as The Duel in 2000 (with Ekin Chang and Andy Lau)? That one I have. Dragon Inn I still need to get.

Nope, different movies. I haven't seen The Duel yet, but I plan on getting a copy sometime soon.

Hero was pretty good. The fight scenes are not as long as they usually are, but they were pretty good. The story can be slightly confusing, but I think overall, it was a good picture. The fight scene between Jet Li and Donnie Yen was the best of the bunch.

You...you've seen Hero?

I want to see that SOOOOO bad. Where did you see it at? Theatre? I haven't heard about it coming out yet...(it was released in Asia in December, right?)

NuSoardGraphite

Mar 21st, '03, 02:53 AM

For those of you not familiar with Hero:

http://www.herothemovie.com/trailer/m300k2.html

Its Jet Li's latest HK movie. He goes back to his roots and does a new WUXIA film! This one if from Zhang Zimou and it looks to be of the same caliber as CTHD. Also stars Zhang Ziyi, Maggie Chung and Donnie Yen. Check out the trailer above. Ching Siu Tung (Director of The Swordsman movies and Chinese Ghost Story films) does the Fight Choreography.

Superskrull

Mar 21st, '03, 03:50 AM

Aw, man! No, I have to sacrifice my bonus check to bulk up my collection. Well, it's for a good cause, right?

urbwar

Mar 21st, '03, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
Doh! Forgot about Storm Riders! Can't forget that one...

Yeah, I loved that movie, so the comic should be pretty sweet

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite

Nope, different movies. I haven't seen The Duel yet, but I plan on getting a copy sometime soon.

Duel is pretty good. Some nice special effects, though one character's main move sounds silly in English (something like 8 Fairy Stance or something like that)

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite

You...you've seen Hero?

Yes, I watched it Wednesday night.

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite

I want to see that SOOOOO bad. Where did you see it at? Theatre? I haven't heard about it coming out yet...(it was released in Asia in December, right?)

I saw it at home. To combat video piracy, they released it on DVD this month (VCD was in February). While I got my copy from a reliable ebay seller, it is on sale at various online retailers. www.hkflix.com or www.pokerindustries.com are two places I suggest getting it at. Maybe www.yesasia.com as well. Price is usually around 15-16 bucks, not including shipping.

HERO has some excellent, if short, fight sequences. The story is good, though not as good as CTHD. Sometimes it dragged in spots, and a few times it got a little confusing.

It was a beautiful film. The countryside, the costumes, just wonderful to behold. I can see why it got an oscar nomination for best foreign film.

It's use for Ninja Hero is a great. Some cool stunts in the fight scenes definitely. Donnie Yen vs Jet Li was a great fight scene, and worth the movie alone, imho :)

Susano

Mar 21st, '03, 04:02 PM

Well, I scored again!

CDepot had the following: THE DUEL, EXECUTIONERS, STORY OF RICKI, and A MAN CALLED HERO.

I grabbed THE DUEL as I am on a serious budget. I hope to watch it this weekend.

urbwar

Mar 21st, '03, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Susano
Well, I scored again!

CDepot had the following: THE DUEL, EXECUTIONERS, STORY OF RICKI, and A MAN CALLED HERO.

I grabbed THE DUEL as I am on a serious budget. I hope to watch it this weekend.

The Duel is a cool flick. I loved Dragon 9 (A james bond type) who provided some funny moments. Man called Hero is good too, but can drag at times. Let me know how Story of Ricki is; I haven't seen it yet. Don't know Executioners though; who is in it?

Susano

Mar 21st, '03, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by urbwar
The Duel is a cool flick. I loved Dragon 9 (A james bond type) who provided some funny moments. Man called Hero is good too, but can drag at times. Let me know how Story of Ricki is; I haven't seen it yet. Don't know Executioners though; who is in it?

I agree, MAN CALLED HERO was really slow in parts. I didn't get STORY OF RICKI, although I've heard about it. As for EXECUTIONERS, it has Michelle Yeoh, Anita Mui, and Maggie Chueng. It is a sequel to THE HEROIC TRIO, which is a cool and highly over-the-top wuxia film.

urbwar

Mar 21st, '03, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Susano
I agree, MAN CALLED HERO was really slow in parts. I didn't get STORY OF RICKI, although I've heard about it. As for EXECUTIONERS, it has Michelle Yeoh, Anita Mui, and Maggie Chueng. It is a sequel to THE HEROIC TRIO, which is a cool and highly over-the-top wuxia film.

Ok, it's *that* Executioners. I normally know it as The Executioners: Heroic Trio II.

I've got Heroic Trio, and have seen Executioners. Didn't like it as much as the first one. Not a bad movie, and the bad guy was kind of cool (though not as cool as the Eunuch in HT 1).

Trivia Tidbit: Anthony Wong is in both Heroic Trio and Black Mask. His character in both films is the same. In HT, he's a cannibalistic kung fu zombie with a flying guillotine, in BM he's a paranoid drug dealer whose family has been wiped out by the super soldiers. I just thought it was cool that his character in both films had the same name...

Saw The Accidental Spy today. Nice film from Jackie Chan. I hope they do a sequel, cause it left it open for one.

NuSoardGraphite

Mar 22nd, '03, 02:58 AM

I didn't think that The Executioners was nearly as good as The Heroic Trio was. Same thing with The Bride with White Hair 1 and 2 (2 not being nearly as good as 1)

I agree that A Man Called Hero (based on Jademan comic The Bloodsword/Bloodsword Dynasty!) is quite slow in parts, but the ending more than makes up for it :) Plus the ninjas are cool as hell, though not as cool as the ninjas from Duel to the Death.

Well, now that I'm aware that Hero is out on DVD, I'll be looking for it. Thanks for the 411!

urbwar

Mar 22nd, '03, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
I Well, now that I'm aware that Hero is out on DVD, I'll be looking for it. Thanks for the 411!

Not a problem. Always glad to share info on good films!

Susano

Mar 22nd, '03, 07:41 PM

THE DUEL -- okay, this was not exactly what I expected. I mean it starts like any number of such films -- swordsman A decides to challenge swordsman B to a duel to prove who is the better swordsman... then it makes a left turn into wackyville. By this, I mean it plays as a comedy for sometime, with a chararater named Dragon No. 9 running around acting like a total goof (a fu-powered goof, but still a goof). But this is okay, as the stunts he pulls are great fun and the patter is entertaning (Such as his OUR MAN FLINT trick umbrella).

There are some interesting fight scenes, but nothing all that great. The end duel (What? You expected things to be resolved peacefully?) is petty wild, and on par with THE STORM RIDERS in some ways (But not quite as good as the final fight in A MAN CALLED HERO). What happens after the fight is quite moving, BTW.

One of the best "bits" is the visual "shockwaves" coming from the two swordsmen as they duel. Not sure how you'd do this as a power in HERO. Personally, I'd actually would call this a GM's fiat power simply to illustrate how powerful the two swordsmen really are (And how powerful is that? One of the pair seriously considers taking on roughly 50,000 imperial soldiers for a few seconds... Well, not exactly, but he comes close...).

My one big beef is that the relationship between Sword Saint and the women he rescued seems to come togther too quickly -- I wish more time had been spent showthing them togehter. That and the emperor seems to have one expression for everything... making him look pretty wooden when compared many other characters.

Anyway, if you want some ideas for some really over-the-top martial arts powers, watch this (and the 128-minute version of THE STORM RIDERS).

urbwar

Mar 22nd, '03, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Susano
THE DUEL -- okay, this was not exactly what I expected. I mean it starts like any number of such films -- swordsman A decides to challenge swordsman B to a duel to prove who is the better swordsman... then it makes a left turn into wackyville. By this, I mean it plays as a comedy for sometime, with a chararater named Dragon No. 9 running around acting like a total goof (a fu-powered goof, but still a goof). But this is okay, as the stunts he pulls are great fun and the patter is entertaning (Such as his OUR MAN FLINT trick umbrella).

Personally,

I thought Dragon 9 was cool. He was like a chinese James Bond in olden times. A bit more comedic than the Roger Moore era bond, but I thought he was an interesting character.

I liked how Ekin Chang's character was a baker. Added an interesting twist to the sterotypical swordsmen. And yeah, the final fight scene was not as good as A Man called Hero. It was adequate though. I still think the other character's main technique had a cheesy name though (my friend has my dvd, so I can't check on it, but I know the word fairy was in it)

I watched Fist of Legend again yesterday. Damn, I love that movie! Why is it that Hollywood can't give these HK actors movies that play to their strengths? I mean, Jackie's US work is hit or miss, Jet Li's done some real crap work, and Chow Yun Fat got lucky with Anna and the King (which was a great casting move, considering his lengthy resume of dramatic roles), and I am keeping my fingers crossed for Bulletproof Monk.

Susano

Mar 22nd, '03, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by urbwar
Personally, I thought Dragon 9 was cool. He was like a chinese James Bond in olden times. A bit more comedic than the Roger Moore era bond, but I thought he was an interesting character.

Actually, I should have mentioned that Dragon 9 was a really cool character. And yes, he does make for a great "mythic China" secret agent. And I loved the SFX for his Dispell Versus Poisons!

I liked how Ekin Chang's character was a baker. Added an interesting twist to the sterotypical swordsmen. And yeah, the final fight scene was not as good as A Man called Hero. It was adequate though. I still think the other character's main technique had a cheesy name though (my friend has my dvd, so I can't check on it, but I know the word fairy was in it)

Yes, I liked that as well. Made for a nice touch.

And yes, the final fight scene is quite nice, just not as... dramtic as some.

And the attack you are thinking of is the Heavenly Holy Fairy Stance. Reminded me of Jackie's Eight Drunken Fairy Stance from DRUNKEN MASTER II.

I watched Fist of Legend again yesterday. Damn, I love that movie! Why is it that Hollywood can't give these HK actors movies that play to their strengths? I mean, Jackie's US work is hit or miss, Jet Li's done some real crap work, and Chow Yun Fat got lucky with Anna and the King (which was a great casting move, considering his lengthy resume of dramatic roles), and I am keeping my fingers crossed for Bulletproof Monk.

I've heard MONK was pirated already and has been shown overseas. IMDB has people in some forums saying it's not very good. All talk, no action -- basically the trailer is all the action you get. Others are saying this is bunk. So... not sure as of yet.

One problem is that Hollywood won't do what guys like Jet Li is known for, which is period martial arts films. or,if they did, people would say "It's just THE MATRIX with sword." Maybe the success of LOTR will allow Hollywood to look into more fantasy films.

urbwar

Mar 22nd, '03, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Susano
Actually, I should have mentioned that Dragon 9 was a really cool character. And yes, he does make for a great "mythic China" secret agent. And I loved the SFX for his Dispell Versus Poisons!

Ahh, I thought you didn't like him, cause you referred to him as a "goof" :p

Originally posted by Susano

And the attack you are thinking of is the Heavenly Holy Fairy Stance. Reminded me of Jackie's Eight Drunken Fairy Stance from DRUNKEN MASTER II.

That's the stance! It just seemed...odd to me. Then again, I haven't viewed my copy of DMII in chinese (I've seen the US version), so I didn't know he had a move called Eight Drunken Fairy Stance :p

Originally posted by Susano

I've heard MONK was pirated already and has been shown overseas. IMDB has people in some forums saying it's not very good. All talk, no action -- basically the trailer is all the action you get. Others are saying this is bunk. So... not sure as of yet.

I have my fears about the movie, and this just adds to it. I will still go see it, to support CYF. At least he will hopefully do the CTHD prequel, so I know he will be doing at least one more good movie that Hollywood has some hand in (not much, which is why I think CTHD did so well)

Originally posted by Susano

One problem is that Hollywood won't do what guys like Jet Li is known for, which is period martial arts films. or,if they did, people would say "It's just THE MATRIX with sword." Maybe the success of LOTR will allow Hollywood to look into more fantasy films.

I dunno. My nephew watches alot of HK films with me (especially Jet Li and Jackie Chan films), and his friends have seen a few themselves. And these are kids 12-14.

I think that CTHD opened alot of eyes to the coolness of asian action films. Then Iron Monkey was released, and HERO will be coming out.

If some producer had any sense, they'd do a film showcasing the strength of a Jet Li and a Donnie Yen, wrapped around a decent story. Jet Li can do modern films; what he needs is a decent script. His US films haven been shoddy scripts. It's kind of sad in a way

Susano

Mar 22nd, '03, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by urbwar
Ahh, I thought you didn't like him, cause you referred to him as a "goof" :p

Oh, I liked him because he was a "goof."

That's the stance! It just seemed...odd to me. Then again, I haven't viewed my copy of DMII in chinese (I've seen the US version), so I didn't know he had a move called Eight Drunken Fairy Stance :p

I'm fairly sure he says it in the English dub as well.

I have my fears about the movie, and this just adds to it. I will still go see it, to support CYF. At least he will hopefully do the CTHD prequel, so I know he will be doing at least one more good movie that Hollywood has some hand in (not much, which is why I think CTHD did so well)

I know Ang Lee talked about aa CTHD prequel. But I thought the age differences would make it pretty much impossible for CYF to play the same character.

I dunno. My nephew watches alot of HK films with me (especially Jet Li and Jackie Chan films), and his friends have seen a few themselves. And these are kids 12-14.

I think that CTHD opened alot of eyes to the coolness of asian action films. Then Iron Monkey was released, and HERO will be coming out.

But these are all nich genres. I mean, even THE MATRIX was monkied with to make it more palatable to the studios, so who knowns if they will do anything with this or not.

If some producer had any sense, they'd do a film showcasing the strength of a Jet Li and a Donnie Yen, wrapped around a decent story. Jet Li can do modern films; what he needs is a decent script. His US films haven been shoddy scripts. It's kind of sad in a way

Very true.

NuSoardGraphite

Mar 23rd, '03, 02:55 AM

That 8 Drunken Fairies "stance" is a subset taught in a few Kung Fu styles. The character of Wong Fei Hong was famous for it (I believe). This is who Jackie Chan portrayed in Drunken Master I and II.
Its funny, because the Once Upon a Time in China Wong Fei Hong never uses 8 Drunken Fairies in any of the OUATIC movies (that I remember) yet, Jet Li played Wong Fei Hong in a non-OUATIC movie called Last Hero in China and he was doing Drunken Style all over the place.

Wierd.

Also, the translation of 8 Drunken Fairies is somewhat dubious. Its also often translater as 8 Drunken Immortals which is probably more correct. Then again, I don't speak Cantonese or Mandarin, so don't take my word for it.

The 8 Immortals are legendary characters who figure prominently in Chinese mythology. Most of them were Taoists who acheived Immortality through Taoist Alchemy or were granted immortality because of great deeds. The 8 Immortals will figure prominently in the Wuxia campaign I'm currently formulating.

NuSoardGraphite

Mar 23rd, '03, 02:58 AM

Ah yes, forgot to mention.

Those 8 Immortals mentioned above are also the main characters in the Chinese comic Saint Legend released here by ComicsOne. I mentioned it in a post above.

Susano

Mar 23rd, '03, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
That 8 Drunken Fairies "stance" is a subset taught in a few Kung Fu styles. The character of Wong Fei Hong was famous for it (I believe). This is who Jackie Chan portrayed in Drunken Master I and II.
Its funny, because the Once Upon a Time in China Wong Fei Hong never uses 8 Drunken Fairies in any of the OUATIC movies (that I remember) yet, Jet Li played Wong Fei Hong in a non-OUATIC movie called Last Hero in China and he was doing Drunken Style all over the place.

Wierd.

Well, tradition has it Wong Fei Hung would no longer use the Drunken Style because it required drinking, and he'd promised his father he wouldn't drink (He might end up hurting someone if he did).

urbwar

Apr 10th, '03, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
That 8 Drunken Fairies "stance" is a subset taught in a few Kung Fu styles. The character of Wong Fei Hong was famous for it (I believe). This is who Jackie Chan portrayed in Drunken Master I and II.
Its funny, because the Once Upon a Time in China Wong Fei Hong never uses 8 Drunken Fairies in any of the OUATIC movies (that I remember) yet, Jet Li played Wong Fei Hong in a non-OUATIC movie called Last Hero in China and he was doing Drunken Style all over the place.

Not really. As Mike pointed out, the OUATIC movies show Wong after he gave up using Drunken Style after he promised his father not to use it anymore.

Last Hero in China was made by a rival company, and Jet Li had a falling out with Tsui Hark, so the movie is a swipe at the OUATIC films. Using more Drunken Style was probably part of the swiping done in the script (imho). It's not really as good a film as the OUATIC films. Then again, I didn't like it as much as the Fong Sai Yuk movies either.

urbwar

Apr 10th, '03, 10:07 AM

I saw this film the other night. Interesting Korean film. The basics are that a Korean Ambasadorial party is arrested by the Ming, and sent into Exile in the north. They get free after Mongols raid the Ming escorting them north, and they start to head home. Along the way, they find a Ming Princess held captive by the Yuan (A group of Mongols), rescue her, and attempt to bring her back to the Ming (and earn points with the Ming so that they can complete their mission as Ambassadors). Except for one character who is wicked nasty with a spear, and maybe one Korean warrior with a sword, the majority of the characters are not really over the top type fighters. The combats are fairly brutal and realistic, with limbs being hacked off, and lots of blood squirting from wounds. Zhang Zi Yi plays the princess, and the guy who played Iron Monkey is the Yuan general. It's a decent film, and a good inspiration for more realistic martial arts campaigns.

Doug Limmer

Apr 10th, '03, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Susano
I just watched SHAOLIN SOCCER.

Now I know what style the woman on page 76 uses.

If you can -- see this film. You might hurt yourself laughing, but it is worth every second.For what it's worth, there's a trailer for a Miramax-produced English-dubbed Shaolin Soccer (presumably the same movie) on the Pokémon 4 Ever DVD.

And that can't be the style for the woman on page 76; she has the wrong hair-do. :)

NuSoardGraphite

Apr 11th, '03, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by urbwar
Not really. As Mike pointed out, the OUATIC movies show Wong after he gave up using Drunken Style after he promised his father not to use it anymore.

Last Hero in China was made by a rival company, and Jet Li had a falling out with Tsui Hark, so the movie is a swipe at the OUATIC films. Using more Drunken Style was probably part of the swiping done in the script (imho). It's not really as good a film as the OUATIC films. Then again, I didn't like it as much as the Fong Sai Yuk movies either.

I actually liked Last Hero in China. Not as much as the OUATIC movies, but I still liked it nonetheless. I'm not that big a fan of the Fong Sai Yuk movies, but they're pretty good overall. A movie which features the Fong Sai Yuk character (but not played by Jet Li) is a movie called Burning Paradise. That one I liked a lot. Good stuff. Check it out if you haven't already.

urbwar

Apr 11th, '03, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
I actually liked Last Hero in China. Not as much as the OUATIC movies, but I still liked it nonetheless. I'm not that big a fan of the Fong Sai Yuk movies, but they're pretty good overall. A movie which features the Fong Sai Yuk character (but not played by Jet Li) is a movie called Burning Paradise. That one I liked a lot. Good stuff. Check it out if you haven't already.

I liked Last Hero in China too. I just don't think it's as good as the OUATIC films, and I felt that Fong Sai Yuk was better too (I'd rate Last Hero a bit above FSY 2 though)

I have a dubbed version of Burning Paradise, but just scored a version in Cantonese off ebay. Have you seen New Legend of Shaolin? Nice Jet Li take on Lone Wolf and Cub, though I understand the character he plays was a real hero in China. Donnie Yen played the same character in an old tv series (part of which I saw on the International Channel).

Of course, my favorite Jet Li movie is still the first one I saw him in, Fist of Legend. That one always has a soft spot with me :)

NuSoardGraphite

Apr 12th, '03, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by urbwar
I liked Last Hero in China too. I just don't think it's as good as the OUATIC films, and I felt that Fong Sai Yuk was better too (I'd rate Last Hero a bit above FSY 2 though)

I have a dubbed version of Burning Paradise, but just scored a version in Cantonese off ebay. Have you seen New Legend of Shaolin? Nice Jet Li take on Lone Wolf and Cub, though I understand the character he plays was a real hero in China. Donnie Yen played the same character in an old tv series (part of which I saw on the International Channel).

Of course, my favorite Jet Li movie is still the first one I saw him in, Fist of Legend. That one always has a soft spot with me :)

Yes, I've had New Legend of Shaolin for some time now.

It was recently released by New Line Home Video under the tittle Legend of the Red Dragon and the cut about 15 minutes from the film...which sucks because the film is short enough in its original length (about 100min or so). The seemed to cut out most of the scenes with the mom and the kids interacting (when she was pretending to be dead)

I hate it when they do that damnit!

DocSubtlety

Apr 18th, '03, 09:59 PM

If you liked Shaolin Soccer, I must recommend The Royal Tramp and The Royal Tramp 2, also by Stephen Chow. (My friends have been on a huge Stephen Chow kick lately - saw God of Cookery, Forbidden City Cop, and...hrm. The one where he's an insane ghostbuster. All of those are funny, but the Royal Tramp story is more coherent than anything I've seen him do besides Shaolin Soccer.)

Also, I caught Volcano High the other day, and have to say it's must see for anybody who wants to run a wacky anime high school scenario. :)

urbwar

Apr 18th, '03, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite
Yes, I've had New Legend of Shaolin for some time now.

It was recently released by New Line Home Video under the tittle Legend of the Red Dragon and the cut about 15 minutes from the film...which sucks because the film is short enough in its original length (about 100min or so). The seemed to cut out most of the scenes with the mom and the kids interacting (when she was pretending to be dead)

I hate it when they do that damnit!

That's why I won't buy any of the New Line versions of Jet Li's films. I'd rather have the badly subtitled Hong Kong versions. They english may not be perfect, but I'd rather have to deal with that than missing footage. My friend got Twin Warriors, and then I got him the original (Tai Chi Master), and he said there is about 20 minutes cut from Twin Warriors, mainly fight scenes with bloodshed, and he was not too happy. He won't buy those anymore.

Of course, it helps that I live in NYC, because we have a big chinatwon, and the stores are real friendly when you want to buy movies (and they are cheap too)

I recently saw Musa the Warrior, which is Korean, but some of the action is pretty cool. More realistic than fantastic, one guy is a wicked warrior with a spear. It did have Zhang Zi Yi and the guy who played Iron Monkey (Yu Ron Gang?), which was pretty cool.