Another one bites the dust!!

[Starwolf]

I tried to start up a Hero/D20 group, and after only 3 sessions the group is close to migrating to TOTAL HERO!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!:D

[TechnoViking]

BWHAHAHA!!!!
All apart of my evil plan! :D

Plus, I did not want to buy the D&D 3.5 books.

Mike

[Tech]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
BWHAHAHA!!!!
All apart of my evil plan! :D

Plus, I did not want to buy the D&D 3.5 books.

Mike

Mike, seeing the old Champions book for your icon brought a tear to my eye.

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by Tech
Mike, seeing the old Champions book for your icon brought a tear to my eye.

Who WAS that Un-named, un-masked man whoopin of (at the time) un-named Holocaust?

[Dynamo]

Originally posted by MisterVimes
Who WAS that Un-named, un-masked man whoopin of (at the time) un-named Holocaust? I seem to remember him being named somewhere in the credits, but I can't check because my copy of 1e went to a friend who couldn't afford 3e.

[TechnoViking]

Originally posted by Tech
Mike, seeing the old Champions book for your icon brought a tear to my eye.
Heck... I'm a charter member of the Old Fart Champions Legion, and proud of it:).

Mike

[Ben Seeman]

Originally posted by Tech
Mike, seeing the old Champions book for your icon brought a tear to my eye.

[SHAMELESS PLUG]
Tech, you can actually BUY that book in the online store... that way you can cry whenever you want. :) ;) :D
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[Supreme]

Originally posted by Ben Seeman
[SHAMELESS PLUG]
Tech, you can actually BUY that book in the online store... that way you can cry whenever you want. :) ;) :D
[/SHAMELESS PLUG]
I'm not crying... I just have something in my eye...

[aylwin13]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
Heck... I'm a charter member of the Old Fart Champions Legion, and proud of it:).

Mike Nobody told me there was an OFCL! How to I join? :confused:

[TechnoViking]

Originally posted by aylwin13
Nobody told me there was an OFCL! How to I join? :confused:

Ways to join the OFCL.

1. If the first version of Champion your played has the same cover my avatar (color cover or black and white cover) then you can be a member.

2. If you bought Strike Force bt Aaron Alliston new the month it was released.

3. If you played Champions for 5+ years when the BBB was released.

Mike :)

[nblade]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
Ways to join the OFCL.

1. If the first version of Champion your played has the same cover my avatar (color cover or black and white cover) then you can be a member.

2. If you bought Strike Force bt Aaron Alliston new the month it was released.

3. If you played Champions for 5+ years when the BBB was released.

Mike :)

Well I guess I could be a member since option one is me. BTW in that edition was it just me or did Mechanon look like a warped version of a stormtrooper?

[Lord Liaden]

I have all three criteria to be a member of the OFCL! WOOHOO!

(First time in my life I've called myself an Old Fart and liked it!)

Do I get a decoder ring?

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by nblade
Well I guess I could be a member since option one is me. BTW in that edition was it just me or did Mechanon look like a warped version of a stormtrooper?

Visually, he looked more likely to be threatening the Jetsons than the Champions. ;)

[Alibear]

I scrape in under option 3! Mwuhahahaha

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
Ways to join the OFCL.

1. If the first version of Champion your played has the same cover my avatar (color cover or black and white cover) then you can be a member.

Ah... but to be REALLY Elitist... Wrap around cover or not?:D

[Boll Weevil]

Sign me up too. Hey, do any of you fellow geezers use the Champions I character sheet picture templates? There were four or five different ones...a brick, a chick, a flyer.

[TechnoViking]

Originally posted by Boll Weevil
Sign me up too. Hey, do any of you fellow geezers use the Champions I character sheet picture templates? There were four or five different ones...a brick, a chick, a flyer.

I used to have electronic copies of those, but losted them in a hard drive crash.

I have have found this jpg for a template for Freedom Force that works well.
http://www.dbasinge.net/rpg/ffshot.jpg

Here is an example character
http://www.dbasinge.net/rpg/ultra.jpg

Mike

[Starcorp Man]

Originally posted by MisterVimes
Who WAS that Un-named, un-masked man whoopin of (at the time) un-named Holocaust?

Actually it was supposed to be Starburst.

[schir1964]

Originally posted by Boll Weevil
Sign me up too. Hey, do any of you fellow geezers use the Champions I character sheet picture templates? There were four or five different ones...a brick, a chick, a flyer.
If you check out the "Superhero Images" thread under the Champions group, you will see quite a few of them and what people have done with them (myself included).

- Christopher Mullins

[Boll Weevil]

Hmm. I saw a couple 4th ed templates but no Champions I templates. I will look again.

[schir1964]

Whoops, sorry, I was only talking about Character Templates that Cybergames sold.

- Christopher Mullins

[ogier300]

I'm an Old Fart too, woo hoo!

[Ghost Archer]

Are you an OLD, Old Fart if you match all three and are nearly fifty?

[Lord Mhoram]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
Ways to join the OFCL.

1. If the first version of Champion your played has the same cover my avatar (color cover or black and white cover) then you can be a member.

2. If you bought Strike Force bt Aaron Alliston new the month it was released.

3. If you played Champions for 5+ years when the BBB was released.



1) nope. Started with the first perfect bound version.
2) Yep. I even called him on the phone right after (he wasn't famous then, so his number wasn't unlisted). Nice guy, talked for an hour to some gaming nobody who wanted to chat.
3) 8. Two concurrent campaings.

Woo hoo!!!!

[nblade]

Originally posted by Boll Weevil
Sign me up too. Hey, do any of you fellow geezers use the Champions I character sheet picture templates? There were four or five different ones...a brick, a chick, a flyer.

You know I don't have those any more but Albert Deschesne does have some templates that you might use on his Metaverse site.

Metaverse Link (http://www.actionstudios.com/metaverse/)

[DarkGreen]

Originally posted by nblade
You know I don't have those any more but Albert Deschesne does have some templates that you might use on his Metaverse site.

Metaverse Link (http://www.actionstudios.com/metaverse/)

I wish I had those outlines. It always helps so much to have something to remind people what they are!

I have some old characters on those sheets (who I still throw at people in 5th ed), but I really wish I had those templates.

-DG

[Thag13]

Yaa I qualify as one also.

I have Strike Force, Circle and Mete and the first Adventures Club. I have a letter published in one of them...

and I have the old greating card for xmas that was sent out around 85 86?????

weird!!

[rjd59]

I qualify for #2 and 3!

[Keneton]

I'm definately an Old Fart, even though I hope there will be a vote for changing the name to the more politically correct club name. . .

The Legion of We Can Forget More About This Here Game Than you Young Whippersapper Will Ever Know!

Just my two indian head pennies worth (wheeze). Honey my viagra please.
:D

[lemming]

Originally posted by DarkGreen
but I really wish I had those templates.

I found the 1984 Witherby ones. I know I have those sheets from the Champs II somewhere around here.

Hmm, found the Vipers Nest that was in the box set edition. Creeks & Crawdads, Macho Women with Guns outlines, lots of different characters, a Paranioa GM screen with Treason Accusation Form, etc...

This might take a bit. I'm a OFCL packrat.

There's still hope that I can find the first sheets. Mark Williams did those IIRC.

Woo! Just found the poster advertising the 1984 edition.

[TechnoViking]

Originally posted by Keneton
I'm definately an Old Fart, even though I hope there will be a vote for changing the name to the more politically correct club name. . .

Politically Correct?
Ok.
Old Fine Champion Legion
Old Friendly Champion Legion
Plus other F words if you take viagra :D.

Mike

[TechnoViking]

New ways to join the OFCL.

4. If you ever dialed-in to Red October BBS.

5. If you ever debated Champions/Hero System on rec.games.frp (not .misc or .superhero). Bonus points if you remember SeaWasp. Extra bonus points if you ever had a Champion ruling flame war with him:).

6. If you ever refered to Bruce Harlick as the new guy at Hero Games.

7. If you own a complete set of Adventure's Club magazine, which you bought new when they were released.

8. If switch from Superhero 2044 or Villian and Vigilantes to Champions.

Mike

[tgaptte]

Club me, I'm in!

Tim

[lemming]

Originally posted by tgaptte
Club me, I'm in!

*WHACK!*

Well, he asked! :D

[lemming]

So far: 1,2,3,5, & 7. Woo Hoo! it's not a perfect record! Though I remember 6, for #8 used V&V for the scenarios early on and still have the counters. "SeaWasp"? Why does that name cause a burning sensation in my brain?
I didn't do anything with Red October until it got civilized and hooked into the net. :)

though if you're going to add Red October,

9. If you joined the Hero Mailing list when it was hosted out of a machine at SGI.

Extra points if you remember what the purpose of the mailing list was at first.

[lemming]

Success. Naturally they were in a completely different box. These are the sheets from the 1982 box set. I'll scan them in right now. I'll probably have to do a little bit of clean up, but that shouldn't take too long. Are people interested in the full sheet or just the outlines?

[Boll Weevil]

Just the templates should do nicely. I plan to Photoshop them then drop them into my character sheet pdfs.

BTW, I never did Red October pre-internet, but I did PBEM on Compuserve dial-up BBS. What's more, I first logged onto that service using my Texas Instruments 99/4A computer with a 1200 baud modem. I had a 300 baud, but it was tooooo sloooowww!!!

[Graviton]

Originally posted by Boll Weevil
Sign me up too. Hey, do any of you fellow geezers use the Champions I character sheet picture templates? There were four or five different ones...a brick, a chick, a flyer.

Absolutely! We still use them almost exclusively. I made TONS of copies of each of them long long ago, and they're still around. There were 4 males and 4 females, IIRC. One of the female poses has been lost to time, but I still have folders full of blanks for the rest of 'em.

BTW, I do qualify for the OF club via #s 1 and 3. Is there a card or something we get so I can get discounts at Denny's??

[Boll Weevil]

Yes!! Discount at Denny's, secret handshakes, decoder rings, Old Fart Club nicknames and key to the executive shower room.

I'm not necessarily endorsing your sharing the templates with the rest of the club, but hey...isn't that my email address in my profile?

[mikelbarnz]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
New ways to join the OFCL.

4. If you ever dialed-in to Red October BBS.

5. If you ever debated Champions/Hero System on rec.games.frp (not .misc or .superhero). Bonus points if you remember SeaWasp. Extra bonus points if you ever had a Champion ruling flame war with him:).

6. If you ever refered to Bruce Harlick as the new guy at Hero Games.

7. If you own a complete set of Adventure's Club magazine, which you bought new when they were released.

8. If switch from Superhero 2044 or Villian and Vigilantes to Champions.

Mike

I'd like to add a few more possibilities:

9. If you ever played a game at Hexworld

10. If you have copies of Danger International, Justice, Inc, or the original Fantasy Hero.

11. Four words-"Golden Age of Champions"

12. Two more words: "Autoduel Champions"

[MisterVimes]

I've got 1,2,3,4,6,8,10,11,12

I'm old :D

[lemming]

Originally posted by mikelbarnz
I'd like to add a few more possibilities:

9. If you ever played a game at Hexworld

10. If you have copies of Danger International, Justice, Inc, or the original Fantasy Hero.

11. Four words-"Golden Age of Champions"

12. Two more words: "Autoduel Champions"

9. ??? Though it certainly sounds Champion like

10. Yes, Yes, Yes (and a FH playtest)
11. The Firebird version I presume.
12. Had two copies for a bit, Bob Greenwade got it when he was first working on TUV.

I have the templates ready. I'm going to post a question in Company Questions to see if I can just post them to the site, or maybe Ben can even make them available.

[Agent Escafarc]

1,2,3,8,10x3,11,&12
WOOhoo...er ...I'm old:(

[Keneton]

The mighty Keneton has chucked many an autoduel Champions car in his day!
:D

[Graviton]

Originally posted by Boll Weevil
Yes!! Discount at Denny's, secret handshakes, decoder rings, Old Fart Club nicknames and key to the executive shower room.

I'm not necessarily endorsing your sharing the templates with the rest of the club, but hey...isn't that my email address in my profile?

Unfortunately I don't have them scanned, and since my wife got her new computer we have yet to upgrade her scanner software. They're on the top of the list of stuff to get digitized tho.

[lemming]

Originally posted by Graviton
Unfortunately I don't have them scanned, and since my wife got her new computer we have yet to upgrade her scanner software. They're on the top of the list of stuff to get digitized tho.

I just sent the templates off to Ben, so we can hope to see them in Free Stuff soon.

[mikelbarnz]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lemming
[B]9. ??? Though it certainly sounds Champion like


Hexworld was a "game center", for lack of a better term, in Austin in the mid 80's. Not really a game store per se, more like a very small gaming convention, that was open every night of the week. You paid a small fee, they had snacks, a game library, big tables, chairs, etc. It was a bit of a clubhouse for the Austin Hero mafia, as well as the Steve Jackson crowd. A lot of GURPS and Hero playtests were done there.
Amongst the many games I played in there was based on "The Network" from Danger International, run by none other than Ray Greer.

And how about this for entry into the Old Farts Club

13. Playtest credit.

Fantasy Hero Companion II. Never even got my copy, though.

[Syberdwarf2]

I too, have had a similar experience with d20 players. My sister will soon be joining my group which is strictly HERO only. I figure it this way.... I'm not in High School anymore, so I really only have time for one system. I'd also really not have to lug around 50 different books to each session on the off chance that I'll need to make some obscure reference.
That being said,...make mine HERO.

>>>prospective member of the Old Farts Chamions League<<<<

[Graviton]

Originally posted by Syberdwarf2
I too, have had a similar experience with d20 players. My sister will soon be joining my group which is strictly HERO only. I figure it this way.... I'm not in High School anymore, so I really only have time for one system. I'd also really not have to lug around 50 different books to each session on the off chance that I'll need to make some obscure reference.
That being said,...make mine HERO.

>>>prospective member of the Old Farts Chamions League<<<<

Amen brother! Reading all these posts about the dozens of different systems some people play, I can't fathom it. My co-GM and I have played exclusively HERO for 20 years. In fact, except for one-shots of Car Wars, the old TSR boxed space game (don't recall the name), and the 1st Edition of MSH, we went straight from D&D to Champions to HERO and never looked back. Playing those other games was like learning to play chess and then trying tiddly-winks. I have never felt the need to try different systems because we were able to do anything we wanted with it.

This has a lot to do with our main interest being superheroes (and our fondness for hugely intricate plotlines which leave no time to play anything else), but when we finally did do a Fantasy Hero campaign under 4th ed. it allowed us to create our own universe, magical system, etc. which no other game allowed you to do, as far as we knew. We just never needed anything else.

I guess I'm one of those rabid Hero types spoken of in other RPG forums... :D

[Gigakaiju]

Originally posted by lemming
I just sent the templates off to Ben, so we can hope to see them in Free Stuff soon.

That would be interesting, though i think i still have the original sheets in my Champions box set. The box is mostly made of duct tape at this point, but the sheets are still in fairly good condition. Still, it will save me the work of scanning 'em myself. (Not to mention locating the box.)

[lemming]

Originally posted by Gigakaiju
That would be interesting, though i think i still have the original sheets in my Champions box set. The box is mostly made of duct tape at this point, but the sheets are still in fairly good condition. Still, it will save me the work of scanning 'em myself. (Not to mention locating the box.)

Well, I needed to do a bit of organizing in my room. Check out the s1to10.zip as well. I need to finish off the rest of those, but this week I'm polishing up my game for Friday.

[Klytus]

Having started in college with Champs II and III, I gues I qualifiy for the OFL.

I've taken the liberty of uploading the six charater outlines from the 4th Edition Champions suppliment... well.. I forget the name of it, but we copied them, blew them up, did touch ups and scanned them.

I juts hope I'm not violating any copyrights...

[Uncle Shecky]

Originally posted by lemming
I just sent the templates off to Ben, so we can hope to see them in Free Stuff soon.

The 1982 templates (included in the rulebook that came in the boxed set) are pretty cool. I just downloaded them from the Free Stuff section. But I've always preferred the original character sheets from 1st edition. Anyone remember those? Different poses (better style too, IMHO) and dashed lines around the head, wrists, belt, etc. They were great.

I've got a version of the original character sheet, but it was altered by my GM. Anyone have the pure originals?

[Osprey]

Originally posted by Boll Weevil
Sign me up too. Hey, do any of you fellow geezers use the Champions I character sheet picture templates? There were four or five different ones...a brick, a chick, a flyer.

I use them and a bunch of outlines I traced from my fave comics (the weed copies)!

I get in on 2 out of three!!

How many geezers out there are dying to teach their kids how to play??

[Syberdwarf2]

Originally posted by Osprey
I use them and a bunch of outlines I traced from my fave comics (the weed copies)!

I get in on 2 out of three!!

How many geezers out there are dying to teach their kids how to play??

I'm not a geezer yet...... but I do have morning back pain everyday. :mad:

I can't wait to teach my kids to play. I just have to wait a few years. Gotta teach them to read first. The oldest is only 1.

((lightbulb appears over head))

Hey, I could always use the game books to teach them to read...... heh heh heh.;)

[BlackCobra]

Wow, thanks for bringing back the fun memories.

Let's see -- started in college with Villains & Vigilantes -- moved on when it became apparent that you could casually fall off a cliff by underestimating movement and have grenades dropped at your feet and be unable to react in any way.

Played Champions II, then III. Built my first character -- very poorly (my login name is my first character, yes, I admit it). Wondered why everything hurt so much (regeneration was WONDERFUL when it worked every recovery). Played in many campaigns -- some reaching nearly into modern times (that would be ... <wince> 15 years later). Also squeezed in some Danger International, a little Justice Inc, and then lots of Fantasy Hero (D&D's for wimps!). Managed to get a little playtest credit under my belt -- although I can't remember the name of the book.

***Here's a pop quiz for the Oldies: what book, with a set of Champions adventures in it, had the murder mystery set in Stronghold? (Hey, Tim!) I helped playtest it, advised the author, have two copies on my shelf, and I still can't remember the name. You know you're getting old, when....

Then, more fantasy campaigns using BBB and the old Fantasy Hero. Some super-heroes on the side.

And gosh -- we're up to 5th Ed!

Sigh -- now I just have to get our group to start playing Hero again, once we finish the 10 campaigns we have floating around.

[Osprey]

Originally posted by BlackCobra
(my login name is my first character, yes, I admit it).

Same here!!

My kids are 12 & 6. My wife won't let teach 'em til I get my degree! 3 more years!!!

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by BlackCobra
***Here's a pop quiz for the Oldies: what book, with a set of Champions adventures in it, had the murder mystery set in Stronghold? (Hey, Tim!) I helped playtest it, advised the author, have two copies on my shelf, and I still can't remember the name. You know you're getting old, when....


That would be Champions Presents #2: "Murder in Stronghold", "MAVRIC" (featuring the crazed super A.I.), and King Cobra's "Coil" organization. Had a little paper insert with a listing of errata in the printed book.

(Is that the sound of my joints creaking, or my arteries hardening?) :(