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Hermit
Mar 12th, '03, 08:52 PM
If they were going to do a Non-USA based 5th Edition supplement for Champions, something like "Champions of the North" or "Kingdom of Champions", where would you want it based on?

The United Kingdom?
Mainland Europe (Or at least as much of it as you could get in)
Australia?
Mexico? (They INVENTED Masked wrestlers man..)
Japan (Cyber Ninja here we come?)
Egypt (Land of Pharoahs... spandex style)
Another Nation in Africa?
The Middle East
South America (Heroes in Rio?)
Russia/Former USSR?

or something/where else?

ARGH... I forgot Canada. Not enough room for more than 10. Don't hurt me friends to the North, no slight was intended.

Derek Hiemforth
Mar 12th, '03, 09:12 PM
None of the above, to be honest. I'd rather see a single big "Champions Worldwide" book, with chapters giving GM's enough info to use as a beginning framework for setting a game in that chapter's region, rather than whole book-length treatments of campaigns in other regions. Kingdom of Champions and Champions of the North were well-done and interesting books, but there was way more material in them than I felt like I needed. I think you could have boiled the essentials down to 20-30 pages for each. Do the same for eight other regions, and you've got a book. :)

I know that doesn't leave a lot of room for characters that call those regions home, but, well... that's okay with me. I'm weird, I know. To a certain extent, I think "less is more" when it comes to populating campaign settings with published characters. I like them to leave plenty of room for me to add characters of my own creation to the world.

Plus, I think they can get mileage out of existing write-ups a lot of the time. For example, if Canada has a nationalistic flagsuit hero, it's okay if they just tell me about his background and personality, and then just say, "If you need a character sheet for Captain Canada, use the character sheet for Captain Patriot from Champions Universe pages 86-87, replacing his Find Weakness with a comic-book Martial Arts package, his Hunted with "Hunted: Enemies of Canada," and his Social Limitation with "Psychological Limitation: Code Against Killing."

That's enough if I need something on the fly. If I don't need it on the fly, I can make it up. :)

KA.
Mar 12th, '03, 09:47 PM
I don't mean to be derailing the poll or anything, but I agree with Derek.

I would like a "Worldwide" book with concise information on several regions.

Instead of a bunch of sample characters, that I would re-do anyway, I would really like to have some clear information on the type of characters that would be likely to be found in the given areas.

There was a thread earlier about what types of costumes would be used by heroes from different lands. (Spandex, Military, Tribal, etc.) That kind of information, along with the motivations that heroes and villains from that part of the world might have, would be much more useful than a couple of (possibly stereotyped, anyway) examples.

Example:
Instead of 'Irish' heroes called Shamrock and Leprecaun, we would get paragraphs on what is important to the major groups of Irish people. The kind of things that would be important enough to put on a costume for, Hero or Villain.
Home Rule. The Economy. Industrialization.

KA.

Patriot
Mar 12th, '03, 09:50 PM
Australia, my choice, and the choice of many of my players
(besides a Chicago source book)

there is a lot of stuff you can do with that part of the world!

Lord Liaden
Mar 12th, '03, 10:16 PM
To a large extent, I agree with Derek and KA. on the feasibility of a single book. Descriptions of the main political/cultural regions of the world, with enough information on each to allow for visiting heroes to adventure there, would be quite enough for any globe-hopping adventures I might want to run with my PCs. I differ on one point, though; I would like to see writeups for at least a few of the prominent villains and heroes from each region. Besides providing examples for any characters from those areas that someone might create on their own, that would be a time saver and increase the "plug and play" utility of the book.

I should think that a sourcebook the size of the old Kingdom of Champions would accomodate all that stuff reasonably well.

P.S. Hermit, you'd best keep your curtains drawn, or be prepared to dodge incoming hockey pucks! :mad:

;)

Derek Hiemforth
Mar 12th, '03, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Lord Liaden
I differ on one point, though; I would like to see writeups for at least a few of the prominent villains and heroes from each region.Oh, I agree! I didn't mean to suggest that there shouldn't be any characters in them. There should be a few major characters from each region fully detailed, absolutely. I just meant that I'm not too interested in seeing dozens of characters for each region...

death tribble
Mar 13th, '03, 01:40 AM
A sourcebook for Mainland Europe would be a good thing. So many different areas and languages to cover.

I don't see the point of one for Australia. There is very little there. I can't see it justifying a whole book unlike several of the other options.
Now the Orient with Japan and China has great potential.

Canada and England have been done, and there was European Enemies.

Oh and KA ? What concerns the Irish. How about religion. Very dangerous subject. Especially to those of us who grew up in the terror campaign of the IRA over here and what the Protestant terrorists did as well.

Superskrull
Mar 13th, '03, 02:06 AM
Japan.

I always liked the Zen Team for some reason. :D

winterhawk
Mar 13th, '03, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by death tribble
Canada and England have been done, and there was European Enemies.

I'll paraphrase d.t. by saying that Canada and England have been done well, and there was European Enemies, the worst gaming suppliment of all time. :p

I'll have to go with the majority of the learned panel and say a Champions Worldwide suppliment would be cool. How's this for an idea, make it a Digital Hero column like Hero Universe. One part of the world could be covered regarding the 'flavor' of the region and perhaps a sample hero and villain for the area.

JmOz
Mar 13th, '03, 06:29 AM
I disagree on the world wide book, to much information to handle it well, however individual countries seems a waste as well. What I would like to see is a line of about 5 books:

America: Covers Mexico, Canada, and South America

Europe: Includes England with the rest of the mainland

Russia

Asia

Africa/Austrelia

Acroyear
Mar 13th, '03, 06:44 AM
To be honest, I'd rather see a "world" book than a region book. Easily half and more of any region book just contains info you can get out of travel brochures (which are free) and the like. A little web work or even a trip to the library can make all those pages essentially wasted, imo. Heck, some places will mail you the info for a few minutes on the phone.

Those who are really interested in globe trotting can prep as they go but I can't imagine a whole lot of people really shelling out for "South Africa Hero" or whatnot. Now that we're discussing it, I wouldn't buy any region books and a world book is a maybe only because I would get it all in one purchase. Region books wouldn't be worth the money or the shelf space to me.

RDU Neil
Mar 13th, '03, 07:05 AM
My world has so drastically changed from the real world that anything specific would be difficult for me to use, but a generic "European sourcebook" would be very nice.

Generic "world book" even more so.

Tech
Mar 13th, '03, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Acroyear
To be honest, I'd rather see a "world" book than a region book. Easily half and more of any region book just contains info you can get out of travel brochures (which are free) and the like. A little web work or even a trip to the library can make all those pages essentially wasted, imo. Heck, some places will mail you the info for a few minutes on the phone.


I almost totally agree with you but if you don't have the time, a collection of information in one book could be quite useful to people. Besides, I have a fascination with Japan but can't read the language or speak it (yet).

altamaros
Mar 13th, '03, 07:44 AM
i would personally favor
first a Champions International like Villains International but with heroes as well and then, sourcebooks of various size :

- Canada
- latine america (from mexico to Argentina)
- Europe (including England and Russia)
- Africa/Middle East/Antartica (the later for "the obligatory secret civilisations")
- Asia/oceania

I would like first the "International" book mainly to get a compendium of villains because they're more likely to travel than local heroes and to present international organisations and then the region books for foreign adventures.

Ghost Archer
Mar 13th, '03, 01:15 PM
I didn't vote as none stands out. I'd like to see something on the order of an International Paranormals book with 'national' heroes/hero groups as well as villain group/solo villains.

Hermit
Mar 13th, '03, 01:20 PM
I believe the UNTIL book they have planned is going to have the UNITY super team in it (more detailed than the CU 5) which might have some of what folks are hoping for international team wise.

It's no world book, but it sounds like a start.

assault
Mar 13th, '03, 09:11 PM
My preferences:

1). A USA sourcebook. Do you know how hard it is for us weird foreigners to run games in places like Millenium City?

2). A New Zealand sourcebook, provided it is written by an American. Why? Because it will really annoy the Kiwis.

:)

Seriously though, the World book sounds like the way to go. Kingdom of Champions was nice, but I've never really used it. It's currently sitting in my reading heap at the moment, though. Hmm.

Alan

KA.
Mar 13th, '03, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by death tribble

-snip-
Oh and KA ? What concerns the Irish. How about religion. Very dangerous subject. Especially to those of us who grew up in the terror campaign of the IRA over here and what the Protestant terrorists did as well.

I agree completely. I just didn't want to go for the most obvious choice. Also, that issue might be a little too thorny, and serious, to be covered in a couple of paragraphs in a RPG sourcebook.

KA

Oh, and a more general reply on the sourcebook issue.
I have no objection to having some sample characters in a 'world' sourcebook, I would just rather have good, firm, well-researched guidelines. If there is room for both, bring it on! :D

st barbara
Mar 14th, '03, 12:47 AM
Having "been there and done that" in the past my vote would go to Japan. I know that some of the Anime/Manga heros and heroines have been written up in "Champions' terminology on the web but I also think that there is a lot od scope for Japanese supers, especially if they can get someone who knows something of japanese culture/history/ mythology to write it !

SKJAM!
Mar 14th, '03, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Superskrull
Japan.

I always liked the Zen Team for some reason. :D


Thanks!
I'd be willing to help with such a sourcebook.

SKJAM!

Hermit
Mar 14th, '03, 06:36 AM
It definitely looks like there's demand for Japan (even more than I thought there would be). I doubt we'd get an official book on it, but DH articles or fan sites for "Champions of Japan" might be possible.

Sadly, I have to confess being quite ignorant on the nation, save for a bit of dabbling in history, a few RP supplement tidbits, and some old Marvel comics that had ninja and Samuraii EVERYWHERE. :D

Supreme
Mar 14th, '03, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Derek Hiemforth
None of the above, to be honest. I'd rather see a single big "Champions Worldwide" book...
Ditto. Though if I had to choose (presumably because you were threatening me with Violet Supremium) I'd choose the UK. Japan would run second for me, though it seems a bit... trendy... Though not as trendy as it used to be. Anything set in the Middle East seems like it'd be too mired in politics to be fun for me. I'd have a hard time really believing in a crime-fighting campaign in most of the other countries listed, because they're just not as famous for crime as New York and Tokyo. I know that sounds weird. But seriously, you can swear up and down that Tulsa has all the crime that New York ever has - and you'd probably be right, but I'll still never buy a crime-fighting scenario there or get excited about it.

Hermit
Mar 14th, '03, 07:19 AM
I don't know, the giant city eatting Ghilia Monster munching down on Tulsa might make for an interesting scene.

(Stupid Nuclear testing in the deserts...) :)

assault
Mar 14th, '03, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Supreme
I'll still never buy a crime-fighting scenario there or get excited about it.

That's a terribly limiting approach. Presumably you would have a problem with a scenario involving Antarctica, or an island built by Dr Destroyer, or Viper's spiffy new moonbase.

In actual fact, of course, there are large parts of the world that have more crime than New York or Tokyo. Try wandering about the wrong parts of Rio de Janeiro at night. Go for a bit of a stroll round the back blocks of Colombia. Try the Ivory Coast, Liberia, or Johannesburg.

In many ways, choices like Europe, Japan and Australia are the "quiet" ones, but, of course, people have been setting Champions games there for the last twenty years...

And of course, you can always pop down the road to a neighbouring country if your current nation seems a little dull. In Australia's case, New Zealand, the Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, East Timor and Indonesia are all within spitting distance. Apart from NZ, all have serious internal difficulties, "law and order problems", and cultures that are "exotic" by western standards.

Finally, I am currently working on a scenario in a mythical Queensland country town. (Actually, it's not quite mythical - it's actually a "whistle stop" on a railway line, but there's no actual town there.)

I fully expect to send a couple of shivers down the spine of some players once they realise exactly what is going on. But it's not set in New York or Tokyo...

Alan

Hermit
Mar 14th, '03, 06:14 PM
Actually, I thought about running a super hero campaign in Australia, a mix of Australian Super heroes, and Americans who'd been invited. The idea was a sudden influx of Super villainry, and the locals were vastly out numbered. The social dynamics between them might be fun. :)

Given I've heard Australians refer to their land as "Oz" I was thinking the team might end up called "The Wizards" ;)

Kevin Scrivner
Mar 14th, '03, 06:33 PM
Supreme said,

But seriously, you can swear up and down that Tulsa has all the crime that New York ever has - and you'd probably be right, but I'll still never buy a crime-fighting scenario there or get excited about it.

---

Gee, Supreme. I don't know whether to be grateful that Tulsa has a lower crime rate than NYC or insulted that you deem Oklahoma so lacking in adventure possibilities. It's a major hub for national travel and communications, a headquarters for the aerospace, telecommunications, and oil industries, a crossroads for the international drug trade, home to unusual religious movements and universities doing ground-breaking genetics research. All that, and still a darn nice place to live.

For all I know, this may be where supervillains choose to retire in quiet anonymity with their ill-gotten gains. All those fancy mansions in the older part of town can't belong only to oil barons and lawyers. I can see it now on the front page of the Tulsa World: "Doctor Destroyer Revealed As Local Philanthropist!"

Hmph! Giant gila monsters, indeed! We're located in the state's Green Country, after all. On the other hand, with all that genetic research and livestock breeding going on....

Skip the Japanese and Aussie stuff. Steve's next big project: Okie HERO!

assault
Mar 14th, '03, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Kevin Scrivner
Skip the Japanese and Aussie stuff. Steve's next big project: Okie HERO!

:D

But then, Millenium City is in Michigan, isn't it? Shouldn't Steve publish Michigan HERO first?

Alan

Hermit
Mar 14th, '03, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Kevin Scrivner




Hmph! Giant gila monsters, indeed! We're located in the state's Green Country, after all. On the other hand, with all that genetic research and livestock breeding going on....

Skip the Japanese and Aussie stuff. Steve's next big project: Okie HERO!

I'm sorry, my bad as they say. Uhmm Giant Man Eating Cows? :)

O.K. Heroes... hmm.

Black Rose
Mar 14th, '03, 09:05 PM
Since the vote seems to be heavily in favour of Japan and Australia, what about a Pac Rim Champions sourcebook? Cover Hong Kong (and some of Mainland China as well) and all the little SE Asian countries whose names elude me at the mo', Australia, and all those little islands. I think it could be fascinating for ideas, even if you never ran a game there.

Then you'd have European Champions, and everything from Ireland east to the FSU. Give some detail on every country, and, I'd say, three characters, hero, villian, or otherwise with minimal relation to each other (to avoid the incestuousness of some settings). Give some detail on how Euros think, for us Yanks who don't know no better.

Then I suggest -evil grin- Champions of the Americas. Cover everything from the top to the bottom. Give us the details on what aspiring young supers would be defending, and villians would be stealing.

Finally, Champions of Every Bloody Place Else (sorry, I have no other name for it). This would cover Africa and the Mid East to India. Lots of opportunities for chaos and fun.

So? Whatcha think?

Hermit
Mar 15th, '03, 10:22 AM
What do I think? Mmmm..

The entire Pacific Rim in one sourcebook. Whew. Sounds interesting. Have to be careful about 'current events', stupid world keeps changing on us.

Heck, I'm not tempted to make a fictional city/island in the area as a setting, and lob it somewhere so it can be influenced by both Asia and Australia. Let confusion reign. :)

The Europeon book would be cool in my opinion (Europeon Enemies really did make me shudder in parts), had to guess how Euros 'think' but once, on the old boards, Der Rote Baron was nice enough to give me some ideas on Germany and how it might relate to its superheroes. Maybe an adventure in the Europeon book, where Eurostar is such a threat that a new "Europeon Superteam" must form to stop it would be a nice inclusion.

*L* The "Ultimate Americas" bit sounds a bit much. Still, DH articles on individual states and provinces might be fun (This issue, we shall be studying the Supers of Iowa!).

bubba smith
Jul 1st, '08, 02:40 AM
Australia, my choice, and the choice of many of my players
(besides a Chicago source book)

there is a lot of stuff you can do with that part of the world!
the homeland of my avatar is my choice as well

yamamura
Jul 1st, '08, 04:36 AM
Well as you probably guess I voted for Icelandic HERO! Only kidding I voted for Japan. Though to be honest I would prefer a source book for Japan over a supplement for champions. I think Great Britain or Australia (A GM friend of mine ran GURPS Super set in 1950's Austrailia) would make nice supplements.

Beast
Jul 1st, '08, 08:05 AM
I'd like to see regions done ,say

UK,Ireland
the EU
the Middle East
Russia,and the rest of Asia except China and the pacific rim
China,Japan,and the Pacific rim

Egyptoid
Jul 1st, '08, 08:09 AM
I voted for Latvia.:idjit:

No, wait...Egyptoid voted for....wait....

brionl
Jul 1st, '08, 09:22 AM
Why are we digging up polls from five years ago?

Psybolt
Jul 1st, '08, 10:22 AM
I voted for the Middle East. Australia would be my second choice followed by the Orient/Japan.

Lord Liaden
Jul 1st, '08, 11:24 AM
As long as this topic has resurfaced, here's a question for everyone who recommended a "Champions Worldwide" book... what do you think of the one that Hero Games subsequently published?

Hermit
Jul 1st, '08, 11:51 AM
I liked it. Many of the villains were engaging, and the supplement seemed to know its limitations, trying to find a balance between giving you at least the basics on everything, but realizing it couldn't give a detailed view on each country.

Lawnmower Boy
Jul 1st, '08, 01:40 PM
I had isolated problems with the art, but overall cool. There were some excellent touches like having three Batman intepretations as the PCs' guide to Berlin, Riyadh, Paris and Latin America respectively. The Superhero Division needed a Sikh superhero for the needs of Vancouvers' literally dozens of Hero Gamers, but I understand that there were higher priorities, and an Iranian superhero, a Palestinian anti-hero, two Chinese outside-the-law vigilantes, and Big Cheeses from India and Japan give us practically everything we need. Plus Charm Girl and Taipan.

And I hunger to see Doctor Saturn (and maybe a full Iranian superteam); Tiger Squad; The Champions of Bombay, and the Tokyo Supersquad....

assault
Jul 1st, '08, 04:58 PM
I was pretty OK with it. There were enough minor, subtle, errors in the Australian section to make me wonder what was going on in the rest of it, but, as I said, the errors were minor and subtle, and not a big deal.

I wouldn't handle Australia the way they did it myself, but that's what happens when you don't write things yourself.

I haven't actually paid that much attention to the rest of the book.

Lord Liaden
Jul 1st, '08, 08:15 PM
And I hunger to see Doctor Saturn (and maybe a full Iranian superteam); Tiger Squad; The Champions of Bombay, and the Tokyo Supersquad....

You can see five Tiger Squad members in Villains, Vandals, And Vermin, along with a list of names for twenty-two other Squaders.

Kirby
Jul 1st, '08, 10:30 PM
Considering the horrible artwork in Champions Worldwide, I don't want to see another worldwide Champions book.

Japan is a shoe-in for me (as far as opinions go) as well Europe/UK (I wouldn't separate them, book-wise). In addition, since Russia (the largest country in the world, located in Asia) didn't get any beasts written up in it in the Asian Bestiary 1 & 2, I wouldn't mind a book covering that country; it would be able to go into detail on what was listed in Champions Worldwide as well as add mythical and legendary creatures of Russia, such as the witch Baba Yaga and dragon Gorynych. YMMV.

Having stated that, I don't have the money to spend on 5E books, less reason with 6E talk (which I haven't kept up on).

Lawnmower Boy
Jul 2nd, '08, 10:40 AM
You can see five Tiger Squad members in Villains, Vandals, And Vermin, along with a list of names for twenty-two other Squaders.

I've seen them. I want more!
And in particular

- Iron Horse: a communist with a power suit. How does that work?
-25+ presumably unique super-martial artists: this is more an exercise for some hardened masochist than anything else, but...
-Immortal Philosopher: I would really like to see an Asiatic wise man, hopefully played against type.
--Revolutionary Hero: the CU currently lacks a character with the international gravitas within the costumed community of a Captain America. Personally, I think it would be a very interesting touch if his CU equivalent were a Chicom.
All: "The Watchmen of Calgary will fight your evil communistic wiles to our last breath, Revolutionary..
Martial Manhunter: "But before we do that, can you show me how to correct my stance so Jade Dragon can't get the drop on me?
Captain Chromium: And tell us again about the time you dropped Korrex with a single punch!"
Super Viking: "Is it true that you go for drinks with Beowulf in his home dimension every Thursday? Can you get me an autograph and [muttered] yours, too?"
Scarlet Wonder to Rainbow Revenger: "He's so dreamy!"

Kirby
Jul 2nd, '08, 11:02 AM
- Iron Horse: a communist with a power suit. How does that work?Similar to Cavalier: a capitalist with a power suit. Except instead of paying for it with his own money, the government pays for it. :D

Barton
Jul 2nd, '08, 03:30 PM
Mexico our neighbor to the south. Many good ideas from past to present.

st barbara
Jul 4th, '08, 10:13 PM
I want them ALL ! Bwah ! Ha ! Ha!:eg: Seriously though I would like to see ANY supplements for countries outside the U S A done with characters with a range of point levels. It seemed to me that many of the countries featured in "Champions Worldwide" only had their top level characters written up. Rather than another "worldwide" style of book I would prefer a supplement on a particular country or area (say "South East Asian Champions") featuring information such as as was in "Champions Of The North" or "Kingdom Of Champions", on the differences in legal systems, government and history as well as writeups on heroes and villains.

fiducia
Jul 5th, '08, 12:53 PM
I went with Russia, Japan and the UK. Maybe not enough source material to do one book for each but these three highly different cultural areas would make a really interesting read if combined into one book. Like what would be the UK's view of 'heroism' vs. Japan's and vs. Russia's. Due to their diverse histories the word would be defined much differently I'm sure.

Lord Liaden
Jul 5th, '08, 01:29 PM
Glad to see Australia in a strong third place on the poll. IMO Oz was shortchanged supers-wise in the official 5E Champions Universe, and the post-Cryptic mini-reboot of the CU could be an opportunity to address that. Add New Zealand and you'd have lots of material for a sourcebook. :thumbup:

st barbara
Jul 5th, '08, 04:34 PM
I went with Russia, Japan and the UK. Maybe not enough source material to do one book for each but these three highly different cultural areas would make a really interesting read if combined into one book. Like what would be the UK's view of 'heroism' vs. Japan's and vs. Russia's. Due to their diverse histories the word would be defined much differently I'm sure. Well they did "Kingdom Of Champions" back in the day and it was one of the best supplements in my opinion ! Japan, with its Manga/Anime traditions of super powers and supersuits, robots and giant mecha would seem to be a natural choice, plus it has its own mythology that can be mined for ideas. Russia also has an interesting history/mythology that can be used , but I think that it is important to get past the old Reaganite "evil empire" stereotype AND the "Marvel" ("Russian technology is inherently bigger, clunkier and inferior to that of the west") stereotype (and most Russian characters are 8ft tall) as well !

Comic
Jul 5th, '08, 04:40 PM
Brazil.

We need to get Steve Long to Brazil to, uh, research local superhuman conditions.

The game does need a World-Class Beaches and Nightclubs supplement.

st barbara
Jul 5th, '08, 04:46 PM
Glad to see Australia in a strong third place on the poll. IMO Oz was shortchanged supers-wise in the official 5E Champions Universe, and the post-Cryptic mini-reboot of the CU could be an opportunity to address that. Add New Zealand and you'd have lots of material for a sourcebook. :thumbup: Well I suppose we were in some ways . six supers for a population of 20 million odd is a bit "light". I would suggest AT LEAST four more supers (two heroes, two villains), plus a couple of each in New Zealand, and maybe even one in Papua New Guinea. At the very least PNG looks like a good spot to hide a nefarious super villain's lair, lots of uncharted jungle, relatively sparse population etc.

st barbara
Jul 5th, '08, 04:48 PM
Brazil.

We need to get Steve Long to Brazil to, uh, research local superhuman conditions.

The game does need a World-Class Beaches and Nightclubs supplement. What, you don't want to do that one yourself "Comic" ?;)

Lord Liaden
Jul 5th, '08, 08:41 PM
Well they did "Kingdom Of Champions" back in the day and it was one of the best supplements in my opinion ! Japan, with its Manga/Anime traditions of super powers and supersuits, robots and giant mecha would seem to be a natural choice, plus it has its own mythology that can be mined for ideas. Russia also has an interesting history/mythology that can be used , but I think that it is important to get past the old Reaganite "evil empire" stereotype AND the "Marvel" ("Russian technology is inherently bigger, clunkier and inferior to that of the west") stereotype (and most Russian characters are 8ft tall) as well !

The key to creating a non-USA sourcebook for Champions is to have a writer familiar with the country and its culture, who also understands the HERO System well enough to be trusted to handle the necessary game stats. From his past comments I'm pretty confident that Steve Long doesn't feel he has the background to do either country justice as principle writer.

For the current poll front-runner, Japan, I would love to see Michael "Susano" Surbrook get the nod. He's a well-established expert on HERO, he already has fine published sourcebooks to his credit, and he's probably done more research related to various elements of Japan than just about any other HEROphile. I can guarantee to plunk down my shekels for a Japan book with his name on it. :king:

Hermit
Jul 5th, '08, 09:18 PM
For the current poll front-runner, Japan, I would love to see Michael "Susano" Surbrook get the nod. He's a well-established expert on HERO, he already has fine published sourcebooks to his credit, and he's probably done more research related to various elements of Japan than just about any other HEROphile. I can guarantee to plunk down my shekels for a Japan book with his name on it. :king:

I'm not a big Japanfan like many here are, but I have to second your nomination for Susano writing it.

st barbara
Jul 6th, '08, 02:57 PM
Absolutely "Lord Liaden":thumbup: "Susano" (if he has time and/or inclination) is the perfect person to write such a book (and rep to you for saying so, i'd forgotten !)

Comic
Jul 6th, '08, 03:32 PM
What, you don't want to do that one yourself "Comic" ?;)
I'm more the fact-checker type than the original researcher or writer.

Though I'm looking forward to the sort of rules discussions the chapter on the Beaches of Rio lead to.

Basil
Jul 6th, '08, 07:52 PM
Well, I voted for all of them because, yes, I want to see as many non-USA books as possible.

Lord Liaden
Jul 6th, '08, 11:42 PM
Well I suppose we were in some ways . six supers for a population of 20 million odd is a bit "light". I would suggest AT LEAST four more supers (two heroes, two villains), plus a couple of each in New Zealand, and maybe even one in Papua New Guinea. At the very least PNG looks like a good spot to hide a nefarious super villain's lair, lots of uncharted jungle, relatively sparse population etc.

Well, you do also have the demonic Marmoo (Hidden Lands), probably the closest thing to an official "master villain" in CU Oz. I suppose the Wanambi Man, guardian of the Well of Worlds (described but not statted in HL) might be considered a type of mystic superhero. Still pretty slim pickings, though.

As an aside, Papua New Guinea is where the supervillain Lightning Man acquired his twin enchanted axes. There could be some other Turakian Age artifacts or relics there.

Lord Liaden
Jul 6th, '08, 11:45 PM
I wonder how China would have placed if it had been included in the poll? Lord knows there's enough official superhuman activity there to justify a sourcebook; although China might just be too big a subject.

OddHat
Jul 7th, '08, 02:34 AM
Champions of Asia, covering Hong Kong, Shanghai, Seoul and Tokyo. I want to co-write it with Susano.

Mirgos
Jul 7th, '08, 03:22 AM
I voted for Europe as there was't an option for Ireland - change UK to British Isles & you'll have a lot more material to cover Isle of Man, etc - lots more mystical sites, etc

Doc Democracy
Jul 8th, '08, 10:58 AM
I went with Russia, Japan and the UK. Maybe not enough source material to do one book for each but these three highly different cultural areas would make a really interesting read if combined into one book. Like what would be the UK's view of 'heroism' vs. Japan's and vs. Russia's. Due to their diverse histories the word would be defined much differently I'm sure.

If you want a book on Russia then you wont go far wrong with the Mythic Russia sourcebook written for Heroquest by Mark Galeotti. Yup it is aimed at more of a fantasy style game but the background and feel of the ancient russia is well worth the investment.

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/12/12699.phtml
Doc

Log-Man
Jul 8th, '08, 11:12 AM
Andorra HERO! :cool:

Basil
Jul 8th, '08, 04:27 PM
Andorra HERO! :cool:

Heck, if you're going that route, go all the way: Monaco HERO!! :D

st barbara
Jul 12th, '08, 05:13 PM
Champions of Asia, covering Hong Kong, Shanghai, Seoul and Tokyo. I want to co-write it with Susano. I think that China and Japan both deserve their own books. So much potential in both countries ! A "Champions Of Asia" could possibly concentrate on South East Asia (Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia etc).