Bygone Champions - Early Editions

[Tugun Master]

Avid Collector that I am... anyone out there got write ups for the original Champions teams/villains? I'm looking for info on the the very first Champions teams and any other characters who didn't get the revision treatment over the many different edition changes. Mostly the 1st, 2nd Edition teams with Marksman and Giant and so forth... and even the villains who weren't deemed worthy enough of being revised for the following editions.

[Agent Escafarc]

I have some write ups from the 1986 Champions mini-series put out by Eclipse Comics:
Flare
Foxbat
Icestar
Giant
Rose
Malice
Marksman
Doctor Arcane
Lady Arcane

But I'm not sure I'm allowed to post them?

[Monolith]

There were no "stats" for the Guardians given in any of the previous editions. There was a much talked about Guardians Sourcebook, but it never saw the light of day. 4th Edition rules saw the appearance of The Champions.

I believe the early Guardians were as follows:
Dove
Flare
Icestar
Gargoyle
Goliath
Marksman
Rose

I remember someone mentioning something about a character called Hunter too, but I could be wrong there.

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by Monolith
There were no "stats" for the Guardians given in any of the previous editions. There was a much talked about Guardians Sourcebook, but it never saw the light of day. 4th Edition rules saw the appearance of The Champions.

I believe the early Guardians were as follows:
Dove
Flare
Icestar
Gargoyle
Goliath
Marksman
Rose

I remember someone mentioning something about a character called Hunter too, but I could be wrong there.

Yes there was a Hunter played by Steve Peterson and also a Hornet played by Glenn Thain. And the only write-ups I've ever seen are the ones I listed above. And according to Steve in the leters page these are the "Early Years" versions:)

[Tugun Master]

So there were no hero write-ups for the first 3 editions?

Did they have any villain write-ups in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Editions?

Or did they only come in supplements or something?

[Monolith]

As far as heroes go, Crusader and Starburst were mentioned, but I do not think they got "statted" until 3rd edition (there is a small character sheet with Crusader's stats on it).

The early villains statted were: Armadillo, Dragonfly, Green Dragon, Howler, Icicle, Mechanon, Pulsar, and Shrinker. I might have forgotten one or two.

[nblade]

Originally posted by Monolith
As far as heroes go, Crusader and Starburst were mentioned, but I do not think they got "statted" until 3rd edition (there is a small character sheet with Crusader's stats on it).


Actually I think both of them were used in a previous edition as partial character creation examples.

[Acroyear II]

So, what is stopping anyone from creating stats for the legendary Guardians? I think it would be great if someone made up new stats and posted them for the original Champions hero team, including some of the lesser known heroes like Dove, Hornet, Gargoyle, and Hunter.

So, who's up to the task?

Acroyear II

[Keneton]

Originally posted by Monolith
There were no "stats" for the Guardians given in any of the previous editions.

You are correct, but most were written up unoficially in a series of rather bad comic books. Foxbats secret ID name was changed, but the other characters seemed realtively true to form at least to my (then) high school eyes. I have long since lost the comics.

:)

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by Keneton
You are correct, but most were written up unoficially in a series of rather bad comic books. Foxbats secret ID name was changed, but the other characters seemed realtively true to form at least to my (then) high school eyes. I have long since lost the comics.

:)

Those are the write-ups I talking about. And they were not that "Bad";)

[Keneton]

Originally posted by Agent Escafarc
Those are the write-ups I talking about. And they were not that "Bad";)

Let me clarify. . . (also keep in mind that this is based on deeply repressed high school memories:D )

1. The story was about the theft of some artifact (might have been the crowns of krim or some orb?). I would rate the story a C for campy.

2. The book was on the higher grade paper and sort of glossy. I give that and A for Awesome for a hero product!

3. The art was average or C for could be mistaken for Secret Wars II.

4. Than Champions Stats were ok or B as in Better than European Enemies.

Remember I am comparing it to a then realy good run of Spiderman, Byrne Hulk, and a revamped Man of Steel run. Those comics were good, these not so good.:)

[wcw43921]

Originally posted by Monolith
As far as heroes go, Crusader and Starburst were mentioned, but I do not think they got "statted" until 3rd edition (there is a small character sheet with Crusader's stats on it).



I remember that character sheet; it listed Bruce Harlick as the player, so I'm guessing he created Crusader.

Does anyone know who created Starburst?

[Mutant for Hire]

Originally posted by Acroyear II
So, what is stopping anyone from creating stats for the legendary Guardians? I think it would be great if someone made up new stats and posted them for the original Champions hero team, including some of the lesser known heroes like Dove, Hornet, Gargoyle, and Hunter.

So, who's up to the task?

Acroyear II

Can we get a general description of the characters? In English rather than numbers, and with a general description of the powers. They're all going to have to be boosted to 350 points anyway...

[Uncle Shecky]

Originally posted by Monolith
As far as heroes go, Crusader and Starburst were mentioned, but I do not think they got "statted" until 3rd edition (there is a small character sheet with Crusader's stats on it).

Actually, in 1st and 2nd edition, Crusader, Starburst, and Ogre were used in a really handy walk-through for character creation (something sadly missing from FREd, but I don't have 5th Champions--maybe it's there?), and they had all of their stats.

Crusader was given a full-page character sheet in 1st (with no player listed, since there wasn't a space for that on the 1st edition sheets), and a quarter-page reduction of a character sheet in 2nd edition (with Glenn Thain listed as the player).

Another cool difference between 1st and 2nd edition: Mechanon was only 345 points in 1st, but 600 in 2nd. We thought he was pretty tough at 345 ...

[Tugun Master]

Originally posted by Keneton
Let me clarify. . . (also keep in mind that this is based on deeply repressed high school memories:D )

1. The story was about the theft of some artifact (might have been the crowns of krim or some orb?). I would rate the story a C for campy.

2. The book was on the higher grade paper and sort of glossy. I give that and A for Awesome for a hero product!

3. The art was average or C for could be mistaken for Secret Wars II.

4. Than Champions Stats were ok or B as in Better than European Enemies.

Remember I am comparing it to a then realy good run of Spiderman, Byrne Hulk, and a revamped Man of Steel run. Those comics were good, these not so good.:)

Word. I saw what I think was the very first comic on a shelf in a comic book store when I was out of town. It looked rather sub-standard to my picky comic-book collector vision, but having seen the then 1st, 2nd or 3rd Edition (I know not which one) Champions boxed set on the RPG shelves, it gave me the urge to actually pick the issue up and at least give it a flick through.

I was rather underwhelmed and put it back. Same with the art of the then Champions rules. I wound up passing it over for the more aesthetically pleasing Golden Heroes RPG and didn't discover the fun of the best superhero system rules out until many years later when I saw the 4th Ed Hero System Rulesbook, and snapped it up. Even then I had the dickens of a time trying to convert same die-hard MERP players over to Champions, and wound up buying almost every 4th Edition supplement I could get my hands on.

Now, I look back and think, damn, I passed up on a slice of Champions history... shame on me.

[lemming]

Originally posted by Uncle Shecky
Actually, in 1st and 2nd edition, Crusader, Starburst, and Ogre were used in a really handy walk-through for character creation (something sadly missing from FREd, but I don't have 5th Champions--maybe it's there?), and they had all of their stats.

The Combat sample is also in 4th (page 210 in the BBB) though it uses 3rd edition rules. :rolleyes: (I think they fixed it for the soft covers...)

5th edition doesn't have a full example, but they do have bits. Starburst is used as an example for a few of them.

[steriaca]

Originally posted by Monolith
There were no "stats" for the Guardians given in any of the previous editions. There was a much talked about Guardians Sourcebook, but it never saw the light of day. 4th Edition rules saw the appearance of The Champions.

I believe the early Guardians were as follows:
Dove
Flare
Icestar
Gargoyle
Goliath
Marksman
Rose

I remember someone mentioning something about a character called Hunter too, but I could be wrong there.

I beleve the reasion we will never see the 5th Edition stats of any of theas charaters is that Hero Games/DOJ Inc. dosen't own the charaters at all. Bruse Harlick owns Marksman (which is proably the reasion we got his stats when Bruse was head guy at Hero, durring the Fuzion Years), Glen Tharn owns Icestar, ect.

As for explnations...I can give a few vage explnations.

Dove: A man traped inside an alien suit of battel armor. Best knows for his force field and high Presence with the limitations Only For Attack, and Only To Look Heroic. Dove got lots of press and fan mail.

Flair: She is an energy projector (light), and one of four children made as a Nazie experment in the years after World War 2 (with Nazies hidding out in South America). One draw back to the prosses is that she starts to age faster than a normal human. Is proably around 60 years old today (if you think she was 10 when she joined the Guardians, and looked about 20).

Icestar: Heroic mutant energy projector (ice). Killed by Doctor Destroyer at the Battel Of Detrot. Known for his layed back manner, is a pratical joker and a ladys man. Unknown to him, his main girl friend, Cyntha Woo, is secretly his arch enimie, Madam Synn.

Gargoyle: Brick who tooked a chemical which alowed him to change (same cemical as Gremlin). Fought with Flair when she first appeared, and was put into a coma which he has yet to come out of (was reduced to a very high negative Stun).

Golith: Was called Giant in the Champions Comic Book. Man who found a mystical belt made by the Gods of Olimpous, and granted the ability to change sizes. Was, in reality, the second Golith (first one fought in World War 2).

Marksman: Martial Artest/Gagetear. Also has some sort of mutant factor which reduces his aging. The man with the Sonic Pistols. Nuff Said.

Rose: Beleved to be the reincarnation of her grandmother (was born the same day she died), Rose is a mentlist with a mystial bent. When she uses her powers, thay smell of roses (hence, her hero name). In love with Marksman. Had Icestar's child (in the Champions Comic Book).

[Starcorp Man]

Gargoyle was Mark William's character, and the reason why he wasn't in the Champion comicbooks.

check this site http://www.heroicpub.com/

[steriaca]

Originally posted by Starcorp Man
Gargoyle was Mark William's character, and the reason why he wasn't in the Champion comicbooks.

check this site http://www.heroicpub.com/

And another reasion why Hero Games is NOT going to do any writups of the Guardians is because of Dennes Mahony. Because he basicly said "I can do theas charaters better than Hero Games can." Did you notice that MOST of the Guardians are now renamed? Marksman is now Huntsman. Rose is now Psychee. Ect... Have you wondered why? It is because the creators of thoes charaters withdrew the charaters and sacked Mr. Mahony with a 'ceast and dismiss' order. So, in order to keep using the charaters, thay had to be renamed. With the exception of Foxbat, which went swimming in Jusinkyo to become The Flying Fox.

This is not to say I hated the comics. On the contray, I extremly liked them. But let's face facts...there is a reasion why Heroic Publishing is no longer doing print comic books.

Now, I wish someone would do a new Champions series. DC or Image, prehaps? To avoid legal problems with Marvel (which ownes the name Champions for comic books), set it sorta like Astro City and call it Champions Universe. That way, we don't need to pin the comics to the Champions team exactly.

[Tugun Master]

I agree. Marvel Comics don't deserve a Champions Universe line in my opinion.

DC Comics (& Image, which DC Comics owns now, yes?) would do a good job on the Champions Mythos. Esp if you could get the likes of Grant Morrison or Pat Mills in on the storyline, and maybe get a good artist on the job.

The only thing is, would there be another conflict of who owns the rights to what character fiasco like with Dennis Mallonee's original Champions run?

[steriaca]

Originally posted by Tugun Master
I agree. Marvel Comics don't deserve a Champions Universe line in my opinion.

DC Comics (& Image, which DC Comics owns now, yes?) would do a good job on the Champions Mythos. Esp if you could get the likes of Grant Morrison or Pat Mills in on the storyline, and maybe get a good artist on the job.

The only thing is, would there be another conflict of who owns the rights to what character fiasco like with Dennis Mallonee's original Champions run?

Image is not owned by DC Comics. Wildstorm is now owned by DC, but WAS an Image Comics imprint. Just like Top Cow is an Image Comics imprint. Basicly, the imprints are indipendently owned by certan creators, and Image acts like some sort of broker or something.

And as for the conflict of 'who owns what charater' for the new, non-existant comic...would be Hero Games/DOJ Inc. Why? Because, simply, thay own all the charaters used. How? Because DOJ Inc will tell them which charaters thay can use, and which charaters thay can not use. Chances are, there will be no stats in the back of the book, or anything like that.

Then again, this so called "comic book" will be as likely to happen as a Champions Game Boy video game. It sounds good, but the Magic 8-Ball says "Keep Dreaming, Fanboy".

[Tugun Master]

Oh. right.

Ass-u-me'ed...

Well if that's the case then there can only be one real objector then, huh? DOJ Inc.

Of course this means I should probably stop coding Champions for the GBA then...

(J/K, I'm no game programmer...)

[steriaca]

In case your wondering (and this is going to be slightly off target), I always wanted to see a Champions side scroling video game fight fest (think FInal Fight, from Capcom, but with superheros). And that is the reason I put up that crack about a Champions Game Boy Advance game (Cause I realy don't think you CAN program a pure RPG into the Game Boy Advance. Especaly with all the bells and whistels the Hero System requiers.).

[Tugun Master]

It'd be rather insane to code with even the slightest semblance of the actual rules.

Herosphere has enough to simulate the combat mechanics okay, but still lacks some details such as Altitude (for Flyers) and disarm.

Just imagine the special effects assignments?

[Agent X]

delete.

[MCMaenza]

I don't know if anyone has since mentioned this, but Dennis Malonee is back with his comic books with Flare and company. They've been back at it now for the past few years - adding more and more titles as they go. Black Enchantress is there along with others he created. Giant is back as is Icicle. Dennis must have worked out some deals with his former buddies to use characters he didn't create.

However, I find the books to leave me feeling a little "dirty" after reading them. These are not comics for kids. There is a lot of sexual overtones, innuendo and down-right cheesecake. Flare's comics have always been like that, but there seems to be even more of it now in the newer titles.

That doesn't say "Champions" to me. I guess I'm just an old Silver Age prude. ;)

[Mathew]

I'm going to post the three write-up I found in the comics in the closet, but if there are any legal objections to it, let me know and I'll remove them. Anyone have any of the others?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/flare.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/foxbat.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/raze.jpg

[Cassandra]

I got the Champions comic book series. The original mini-series had the team face off against Demon, and ended up with Goliath being killed off (he had a complete lack of resistance defenses).

The regular series promised to be more grounded, and for the most part was. Rose was an underpowered magician, Marksman didn't have a secret identity, and Flare was a fifteen year old in a twenty fire year olds body. The series had the advantage that many of the issues had character write ups in them. Icicle was Icestar's sister, and their relationship was a bit off putting. The series ended in with the team on Mount Olympus, violating the promise of realism.

[Mathew]

Do you happen to have (or can you make) scans of the write ups for the characters in the end?

[ChaplainAtheon]

So cool! I remember having those! Damn me for losing them! Damn me all to HELLLL!!

[Greywind]

Do you happen to have (or can you make) scans of the write ups for the characters in the end?
I can. I just need to find the right box of comics.

[Mathew]

Here is the write-up for Flare translated to 4th edition.

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/FLARE.pdf

[assault]

I remember the first time I saw Raze. I shuddered, and promised myself I would never play in a game with characters like that.

[Greywind]

Why? "I weel keel ewe!" being far too common?

[JmOz]

And now she would be fairly slightly above average...

[death tribble]

I always wanted a write upin any edition for Gargoyle.

And for Dr Lirby Koo.

[Tasha]

I remember that character sheet; it listed Bruce Harlick as the player, so I'm guessing he created Crusader.

Does anyone know who created Starburst?

Actually Bruce played The Marksman. A semi retired version of the character appears in Champions New Millennium. There was a 4e version posted on the heroboards way back around the time that CNM was popular.

From what I understand a bunch of the Core Villains that appeared in the first couple of Champions books were created by George McDonald for his original Champions campaign. For those of you who don't know George is one of the people who created the Champions game and the Hero System

BTW Heroic Publishing has no business ties to Hero Games. From what I understand the characters that appeared in the comics were not sanctioned by Hero Games at all.

[Tasha]

Image is not owned by DC Comics. Wildstorm is now owned by DC, but WAS an Image Comics imprint. Just like Top Cow is an Image Comics imprint. Basicly, the imprints are indipendently owned by certan creators, and Image acts like some sort of broker or something.

And as for the conflict of 'who owns what charater' for the new, non-existant comic...would be Hero Games/DOJ Inc. Why? Because, simply, thay own all the charaters used. How? Because DOJ Inc will tell them which charaters thay can use, and which charaters thay can not use. Chances are, there will be no stats in the back of the book, or anything like that.

Then again, this so called "comic book" will be as likely to happen as a Champions Game Boy video game. It sounds good, but the Magic 8-Ball says "Keep Dreaming, Fanboy".

Actually, DOJ doesn't own the Champions universe anymore. They sold the IP to Cryptic Games. They DO have the rights to publish any game material about the Champions Universe.

[aylwin13]

I remember the first time I saw Raze. I shuddered, and promised myself I would never play in a game with characters like that.


Why? "I weel keel ewe!" being far too common?
For me it was the god-awful costume. :sick:

[Mathew]

I found this one. An obscure Viper agent, combination minor brick and gadgeteer. The Fatman!

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/fatman.jpg

[Mathew]

I was converting Doctor Arcane to 4th edition, but I wasn't sure about his "hypnosis 14 or less" skill. What book is that in? I'm not sure what to do with the hypnosis skill... maybe interrogation?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/doctorarcane.jpg

[IndianaJoe3]

I was converting Doctor Arcane to 4th edition, but I wasn't sure about his "hypnosis 14 or less" skill. What book is that in? I'm not sure what to do with the hypnosis skill... maybe interrogation?

I think Hypnosis is now built as a Limited form of Mind Control. It might be a sidebar example. If not, it's probably in Pulp Hero.

[JmOz]

From the description of how it is used I would call it Persusasion or interegation (based on the reading on the character)

[lapsedgamer]

Rep to Mathew for digging those up. Nice necromancy skills too. It was jarring to remember that you could write a whole character on an index card back in the day, which I used to do all the time. I had a recipe file box full of 5X8 cards with villains and NPCs on them.

[lapsedgamer]

Here is the write-up for Flare translated to 4th edition.

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/FLARE.pdf

Looking at that file, I can't remember what "PKG" is supposed to stand for. I looks like a compound attack power, and a fairly nasty one by 4th Ed standards. Anyone know what the abbreviation means?

[Mathew]

Looking at that file, I can't remember what "PKG" is supposed to stand for. I looks like a compound attack power, and a fairly nasty one by 4th Ed standards. Anyone know what the abbreviation means?

In order to put two powers in one Multipower slot in Heromaker, they had to be put in a package or "PKG", which is what she did in the original writeup. The one slot has an EB (that is vs. limited defense, flash defense) and a FLASH vs. light.

[Mathew]

Here is another long lost hero. Well, it's Well...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/well.jpg

[Lord Liaden]

I was converting Doctor Arcane to 4th edition, but I wasn't sure about his "hypnosis 14 or less" skill. What book is that in? I'm not sure what to do with the hypnosis skill... maybe interrogation?

"Hypnosis" was originally in the old (pre-4E HERO) Pulp campaigning boxed set, Justice Inc. by Aaron Allston and Michael Stackpole. It was part of a group of what were called "Weird Talents," most of which were reclassified as Talents in 4E and later. Hypnosis was essentially a very limited form of Mind Control, with the classic mesmerist's paraphernalia (e.g. dangling a bauble in front of the subject's eyes, etc.).

In the HERO System Almanac I, Steve Peterson and Allen Shock updated a number of elements from JI to 4E. Here's how they dealt with Hypnosis:

"Hypnosis is now done using Mind Control requiring an Obvious Accessible Focus (-1), eye contact with the victim (-1/2), an Extra Time Limitation (5 Minutes is the suggested level, -2), and Requires a (Hynosis) Skill Roll (-1/2), based on EGO (+1). The Invisible Power Effects Advantage (+1/2), and Incantations (-1/2) ("you are getting sleepy...sleepy...") might also be in order." (HSA I p. 8) As with other Talents, all this was bought as a net package in JI.

[dan2448]

I bought these "Champions" comic books as a teenager back when they were newly released, starting in 1986. The first six issues were a mini-series published by Eclipse. As others have already mentioned, the story was hackneyed and the artwork sub-par. The plot focussed on Demon and the occult aspects of the Champions universe, which I was not expecting and did not like much at the time. I was also really disappointed that several of my favorite characters from the 2e and 3e rulebooks and supplements were not included in the comic book, including Gargoyle and Crusader (who looked like a cross between Captain America and Wolverine to me). And the Marksman had been made into a clone of Marvel's Punisher, whose comic book was hugely popular at the time.

When that mini-series ended, Dennis Malonee took the book to a new publisher, and started an ongoing series with no. 1 again. I remember that first issue contained an editiorial letter explaining that he, too, was very disappointed in the mini-series, both the artwork and the story. This was going to be how he "really" intended the "Champions" comic to be from the beginning, Mallonee wrote. And you know what? It was significantly better. Better, but far from great in my opinion. But I did enjoy the later appearances of Mechanon and Dr. Destroyer.

With regard to the absence of Gargoyle from these comic books, I remember that in the first Eclipse issue the editor explained his absence by stating, "Mark Williams has other plans for Gargoyle." Who knows what that really meant. And then Mark Williams died very young just a few years later, I remember reading.

These 1980s "Champions" comics are readily and cheaply available on ebay these days, by the way. (I just bought some last year.)

[assault]

With regard to the absence of Gargoyle from these comic books, I remember that in the first Eclipse issue the editor explained his absence by stating, "Mark Williams has other plans for Gargoyle." Who knows what that really meant. And then Mark Williams died very young just a few years later, I remember reading.

Well, at least we have something very similar to a Gargoyle character sheet: in her first published appearance in Space Gamer, Gremlin (also in Classic Enemies) received her powers from a sample of the same formula that Gargoyle got his from.

[Mathew]

Another oldie.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/gg.jpg

Since his nemesis is Annihilator from GSVC, I have him too:

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/ANNIHILA.pdf

[kahuna's bro]

wher's the shirtless gentleman in the white pants?

[Mathew]

Here is Malice:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/mailice.jpg

I tried to convert her to 4th edition rules. What is "empathy" and "sensitive to magic"?

[concord]

Here is Malice:

I tried to convert her to 4th edition rules. What is "empathy" and "sensitive to magic"?

Empathy is either a limited form of telepathy, if you want to read and send emotions, or a detect/sense if you just want to 'read' a person's emotional state.

Sensitive to Magic is probably a detect/sense.

[torchwolf]

Here is Malice:

I tried to convert her to 4th edition rules. What is "empathy" and "sensitive to magic"?
Empathy and Sensitive are Weird Talents from Justice, Inc. - revised for 4th Edition in Hero System Almanac 1, though most are fairly straightforward.


Empathy is either a limited form of telepathy, if you want to read and send emotions, or a detect/sense if you just want to 'read' a person's emotional state.

Sensitive to Magic is probably a detect/sense.
Exactly.

[TheQuestionMan]

Awesome Thread Resurrection!

LOL

QM

[JmOz]

Empathy is either a limited form of telepathy, if you want to read and send emotions, or a detect/sense if you just want to 'read' a person's emotional state.

Sensitive to Magic is probably a detect/sense.

PERSONALY I would create BOTH as Detects, not sure if the Empathy power back then was able to transmit or not, I am assuming not

[Mathew]

Okay, looking at the Hero System Almanac info on converting talents from Justice Inc to 4th editon hero, I finished converting Doctor Arcane (with Hypnosis) and Malice (with her sensitivity and empathy). I also added the Mystic Masters disadvantage Adept to both of them. Seemed appropriate.

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/DOCTOR_A.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/DOCTOR_A.pdf)

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/MALICE.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/MALICE.pdf)

[BNakagawa]

Dove: A man traped inside an alien suit of battel armor. Best knows for his force field and high Presence with the limitations Only For Attack, and Only To Look Heroic. Dove got lots of press and fan mail.


Huh. I play in an annual game where Dove often appears (whenever Ray's schedule allows) and this description seems at odds with the version he's playing currently. Perhaps he had a radiation accident or something...

[Sketchpad]

I'd love to see the original characters stats one of these days ...

[Mathew]

The original Rose writeup:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/rose.jpg

Here is Rose converted to 4th edition Champions rules.

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/ROSE.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/ROSE.pdf)

I used HS Almanac for the Justice Inc talent, and added the DS detects as a mutant (she is a mutant psychic right?) Correct me if I'm wrong.

[fbdaury]

Whoa, whoa, whoa- found the issues of the comics with Marksman, Icestar, Giant, Demon members and Morbanes as well as another fan created character called Powerhouse- alas, I have not a scanner.

[Mathew]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/olga.jpg

Here is the write-up for Olga translated to 4th edition.

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/SPARKPLU.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/SPARKPLU.pdf)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/well.jpg

I also converted Well to 4th edition.

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/WELL.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/WELL.pdf)

[Mathew]

Another oldie.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/gg.jpg



Here is his character sheet updated to 4th edition:

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/GALLOPIN.pdf

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h214/Scaleface/Champions/ladyarcane.jpg

Lady Arcane for 4th edtion:

http://home.comcast.net/~mathewignash/PDFs/LARCANE.pdf