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Dust Raven
Aug 15th, '04, 01:26 PM
Just a quick question...

What's the DEF and BODY of these items?

I'm compiling a list of stuff for my own Object table.

Anvil
Fire Hydrant
Mailbox (like on a street corner, in front of the post office, etc)
Mailbox (the kind that high school students bash with bats on weekends)
Sewer Grate


And just in case, if you can think of other objects for this list (that aren't already in FREd, but maybe other books), that would help too!

Thanks!

Chris Goodwin
Aug 15th, '04, 02:54 PM
P. 304 of FREd is your friend.

For all of the items, BODY depends on mass (use the unliving column on the Object BODY table).

Anvil: Call it hardened casting. 9 DEF. A 100 kg anvil would be 9 DEF, 7 BODY.

Fire Hydrant: Call it casting. 8 DEF. Mass probably at least 100 kg; minimum of 7 BODY.

Mailbox, street corner: Sheet metal, mass probably 50 kg. 4 DEF, 6 BODY.

Mailbox, home: Sheet metal, mass probably 1.6 kg. 4 DEF, 1 BODY.

Sewer grate: Casting, mass probably 12.5 kg. 8 DEF, 4 BODY.

Dust Raven
Aug 15th, '04, 10:39 PM
Thanks archer!

Having no experience with building, destroying or lifting such things, I didn't have any place to start.

McCoy
Aug 15th, '04, 11:10 PM
Fire Hydrant: Call it casting. 8 DEF. Mass probably at least 100 kg; minimum of 7 BODY.

Mailbox, street corner: Sheet metal, mass probably 50 kg. 4 DEF, 6 BODY.

Think you're way over on mass estimates, remember, they'r hollow. Have seen one man move fire hydrants and mailboxes when not bolted down, think both are closer to 50 pounds.

NPC Brown Cow
Aug 16th, '04, 05:26 AM
Think you're way over on mass estimates, remember, they'r hollow. Have seen one man move fire hydrants and mailboxes when not bolted down, think both are closer to 50 pounds.

I tried some Google-fu, no luck. However I did find out how much those cast iron man hole covers weigh.

INFILLED CAST IRON CIRCULAR MANHOLE COVERS

- HEAVY DUTY (Class D) for vehicular traffic
> Diameter: 800mm
> Weight: 150kg

- LIGHT DUTY (Class B) for pedestrian traffic
> Diameter: 700mm
> Weight: 98kg

Chris Goodwin
Aug 16th, '04, 11:47 AM
I tried some Google-fu, no luck.

Your Google-fu is weak, old man. :D

http://www.firehydrant.org/collector/darrenpeets.html shows a guy who has a fire hydrant. He says his is 110kg.

http://www.physics.ubc.ca/~dpeets/humour.html shows the same guy and the same hydrant, which here he says is 86kg.

Someone in the comments here (http://suicidegirls.com/members/HillaryWallace/439943/) (warning: not work safe) did some research and found that a fire hydrant weighs about 150 pounds (call it 75kg).

Basil
Aug 16th, '04, 01:00 PM
P. 304 of FREd is your friend.
For all of the items, BODY depends on mass (use the unliving column on the Object BODY table).
Anvil: Call it hardened casting. 9 DEF. A 100 kg anvil would be 9 DEF, 7 BODY.
Fire Hydrant: Call it casting. 8 DEF. Mass probably at least 100 kg; minimum of 7 BODY.
Mailbox, street corner: Sheet metal, mass probably 50 kg. 4 DEF, 6 BODY.
Mailbox, home: Sheet metal, mass probably 1.6 kg. 4 DEF, 1 BODY.
Sewer grate: Casting, mass probably 12.5 kg. 8 DEF, 4 BODY.
Either the street-corner mailbox's DEF should go up a point, or (IMO better) the house mailbox's DEF should go down one. House mailboxes are made with much thinner sheet.

Since hydrants are connected to the water mains, there's somewhere for energy to dissipate to. I'd give 'em 1 more point of DEF; YMMV.

As for the mass of hydrants and street-corner mailboxes; don't forget the mass of the water, and letters, respectively. ;)