I have it! I have it!

[Vanguard]

Yes, I'm holding, in my hot little paws Dark Champions!!!

I haven't had a chance to read it all but from what I have read my only comment is: WOW!!

Good job Steve and everyone else!!!!

[Blue]

Why, thank you!

Well, in the largest sense I am part of "everyone else"!

[lemming]

Just got a call from my FLAGS that they are holding a copy for me.

[Blue]

Hate to be one of those "Me Too" posters, but...

Wow, lookit the heft on this sinister mofo!

(Uh, the book, not me)

[pinecone]

Just got mine today...woo hoo....I will be staying up late tonight...and not to watch Judo in the Olympics...:)

[Chimpira]

Got my copy yesterday. Loving the criminology and forensic section.

[Blue]

Loving the super-skills (Obliterate evidence, etc.). Just good fun :)

[Remjin]

YAY! Gonna go stop by the shop tommorow then on my way to ALL YOU CAN SUSHI!!!

[AndyM]

I'd just like to say that I don't have it yet.

Just wanted to chime in - as sad as that makes me.

Andy

[GamePhil]

Haven't reached the Super-Skills section, yet, but it's a good enough read to keep me going through it so far. Lot's of interesting stuff.

[AndyM]

Haven't reached the Super-Skills section, yet, but it's a good enough read to keep me going through it so far. Lot's of interesting stuff.

It's by far my favorite book we've done to date. I read most of it during layout. Steve has outdone himself with this book.

I can't wait to see the finished product!!

Andy

[Lord Liaden]

Wait a minute: the "Defenders Of Justice" crew is selling this book at GenCon, but their Art Director hasn't even seen it yet?!

Where's the justice? :(

[AndyM]

OK - I've seen it. It's on my hard drive and stuff. But I can't hold it yet ... and that makes me sad. It should make you sad too. <G>

[GamePhil]

:( :weep: :angst: :cry:

But soon, so very soon, you'll have it!

:cheers:

[Steve Long]

Glad to hear you're all enjoying the book!

Well, all accept Andy. But he'll see it soon enough.

We just about sold out at GenCon, where it was well-received.

[starblaze]

When will it be available at the online store?

[Lord Liaden]

In about a month, after the retailers have had a chance to sell it. That's standard for all new Hero releases.

[mangahunterd]

When does it get released to the FLGS??

[GamePhil]

It's already shipped, so it should be everywhere that ordered it shortly.

[Wildcat]

I picked it up just after Vanguard (we Game together)- In fact he got copy 1 I got Copy 2 from our FLGS. I just have to say that I am SOOOOOO Please with this new book. Steve you ROCK!!! The Super Skills, the new Expansion on the Skills ... Sheesh just Everything... Thanx!!!

I've always loved Dark Champions back in the day, and also Danger Interantional, as a Modern version of Hero - Now I have 5th's version of them, and I'm so excited that I've put my Champions game on hold, and will be running a Heroic level Game using Dark Champions. It'll be base mostly on Stargate SG1 with a bit of Sliders thrown in, all with a heavy Cyber/Techno Mega Corp overtone.

WC

[Steve Long]

Thanx for the kind words, Wildcat! Good luck with the game. :hex:


When does it get released to the FLGS??

Once it ships from the printer (as it did last Friday, the 13th ::cue ominous music::), it's out of our control. From the printer it ships directly to the distributors. How long it takes to get to them depends on all sorts of factors (respective locations, weather, truckers' strikes...). How long it takes the distributor to repack the books for shipment to stores that have ordered them depends on the distributor's efficiency, workforce, and such. Then the books are shipped to the stores, and all those shipping factors come into play again. ;) All in all, most stores seem to get our books 1-2 weeks after they ship from the printer, but it really varies. As you can see from some of the posts on this thread, it's already reached some stores.

[mangahunterd]

Darn you Steve Long for creating a game that has us writhing on the floor like Crack Addicts waiting for our next fix!!! :stupid:

[Wildcat]

Thanx for the kind words, Wildcat! Good luck with the game. :hex:


Wow this is the GREATEST... an Instant responce from the Writer of the book I just bought... and then he wishes ME luck... I love this game, and the guys who bring it to me... You are a class act Steve, as are the rest of the DOJ crew...

Thanx Again x1000000000

WC

[Steve Long]

Darn you Steve Long for creating a game that has us writhing on the floor like Crack Addicts waiting for our next fix!!!

We call it our "first hit's only $33.91" strategy. :eg:

[ShinHakkaider]

Next to CKC this is probably the best of the HERO Suppliments to come out. The first DC as pretty good, but this thing is AWESOME.

Super-Skills, that's all I'm sayin'...

...Ok, just one more thing,

SON OF A BITCH MUST PAY.

[Worldmaker]

You know, I noticed that the book doesn't mention some of the more home-grown organized crime groups, like the Red Neck Mafia active across the South. Totally different culture than the standard Italian mob...

[AndyM]

You know, I noticed that the book doesn't mention some of the more home-grown organized crime groups, like the Red Neck Mafia active across the South. Totally different culture than the standard Italian mob...

I'm pretty sure that that's going to be part of Deliverance Hero. Which should cover moonshiners, home-growers, College Football (FSU, Florida, Miami), the klan, John Lee Pettimore, Boss Hog, and pretty much any Burt Reynolds movie.

Look for Deliverance Hero in your FLGS in 2006. Only from Hero Games.

Andy :joint:

"I learned a thing or two from Charile don't you know
You better stay away from Copperhead Road."

[Worldmaker]

I'm pretty sure that that's going to be part of Deliverance Hero. Which should cover moonshiners, home-growers, College Football (FSU, Florida, Miami), the klan, John Lee Pettimore, Boss Hog, and pretty much any Burt Reynolds movie.


LOL! Cool.

But seriously, I think the entire genre of southern organized crime is pretty much ignored in the book, which is surprising given how many times it shows up in TV and movies.

[Derek Hiemforth]

But seriously, I think the entire genre of southern organized crime is pretty much ignored in the book, which is surprising given how many times it shows up in TV and movies.Well, Steve and the Hero East crew have to live in that area, you know. Maybe certain parties were "encouraging" them not to include it. ;)

[Steve Long]

Since I'm not willing to do "in the field" research on this subject, :) I'm restricted to what I can find research materials on. I have what I think could modestly be described as a pretty thorough library on the subject of crime (organized and otherwise), but none of my sources touch on Southern US crime to any great extent (other than some minor mentions of Mafia activity in New Orleans).

If you or anyone else can point me in the direction of some good research material, I'll be glad to cover 'em in The Underworld Sourcebook. After all, if I'm willing to discuss obscure southern Italy groups, southern U.S. groups are fair game as well. :hex:

[BishopofB&W]

Well, it looks like I've got every rule and suggestion I'll ever need for gunfighting now that I have DC and UMA. Am I correct that the HoJ in 5th Ed. doesn't teleport his guns to and from a pocket dimension? Are we going to see any more description of the Manifesto of Justice?

[Worldmaker]

If you or anyone else can point me in the direction of some good research material, I'll be glad to cover 'em in The Underworld Sourcebook. After all, if I'm willing to discuss obscure southern Italy groups, southern U.S. groups are fair game as well. :hex:


All you needed to do was ask... <G> I've got cousins currently doing time in various southern penitentiaries for various ill-favored acts.

Try doing google searches for "Dixie Mafia". What you're mostly dealing with is extended family groups, plus friends, who tend to run narcotics, weapons, and stolen car rings. Occasionally you get a gigantic cosa-nostra like structure made of several groups that team up under one central Boss... and more than a few of them have been in the "Boss Hogg" vein over the years, though that stereotype has died out since the 80's.

[Toadmaster]

Sorry to be a downer but...

I got it a few hours ago so I've only had a chance to give it a quick once over. Nice job over all but in my opinion it is still Dark Champions not "Action Hero" as it was strongly suggested it would be, yes it includes a little more for non-vigillante games (basically added Eye for an Eye) but overall the book still focuses on vigilante crime fighting (and even says so right in the genre section).

The Underworld, Packages, forensics, and the world organizations sections are nicely done but about 1/3 or more of the book is for the Champions in the title and has little to do with "Danger International".

Unfortunately I also thought the firearms are a further step backwards, as has been the case with each edition after 3rd (3rd ed was the best, 4th ed made them a little more bland, 5th added alot of inconsistancy and DC takes this a step further) on the plus side we now have Piercing as a semi official rule and I can now dump the official HERO rules for small arms for my own since I don't remotely agree with most of the new official ones.

Overall this is a good supplement for Dark Champions and well done (except for the firearms section which I really don't care for) and as such it has some utility for non-supers genres but as a replacement for Danger International it falls flat for me. Still a good purchase for me but my hopes were raised and my concerns about the focus of the book proved to be true.

I will be watching for the expected supplements hoping we will eventually see one for Danger International.

[Toadmaster]

Since I'm not willing to do "in the field" research on this subject, :) I'm restricted to what I can find research materials on. I have what I think could modestly be described as a pretty thorough library on the subject of crime (organized and otherwise), but none of my sources touch on Southern US crime to any great extent (other than some minor mentions of Mafia activity in New Orleans).

If you or anyone else can point me in the direction of some good research material, I'll be glad to cover 'em in The Underworld Sourcebook. After all, if I'm willing to discuss obscure southern Italy groups, southern U.S. groups are fair game as well. :hex:

Looks like you will need to sit down and have a Walking Tall festival in the Long home, 6 hours of Joe Don Baker kicking moonshiner hineys with an Axe handle. :)

[Worldmaker]

Looks like you will need to sit down and have a Walking Tall festival in the Long home, 6 hours of Joe Don Baker kicking moonshiner hineys with an Axe handle. :)

Not to mention the remake starting the Rock, at least one of the Treat Williams "Substitute" films, "Roadhouse", and any other crime film set in the south.

[Blue]

Why, the Dukes of Hazard is just like Southern Law Enforcement, isn't it?

[Worldmaker]

Why, the Dukes of Hazard is just like Southern Law Enforcement, isn't it?


Well... hurm... sort of... if you're doing a comedy campaign. :)

Though that does remind me... a couple of Miami Vice episodes included villains that fit the "Redneck Mafia" mold. One of the better ones was "Glades".