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zornwil

Dec 1st, '04, 10:43 PM

This is my 25,000th post, and it seemed appropriate to stay on topic and take a risk...

I am not that great at character write-ups. I don't have the efficiency edge some do, nor do I have a great attention to detail. It's fine to be that way writing NPCs (there's the "I know what I mean" paradigm, so even in combat if you forget something you can just correct it on the fly), and even for a PC of one's own, it's quick and easy to overcome as, after all, one is making it up themselves. But for established characters...well, I suck, IMHO.

But I loved the Incredibles and unless I missed it, I didn't see whole writeups yet, which surprises me. I might easily have missed it, I'm behind on some threads, but they aren't in the two or three major Incredibles threads I'm aware of and I did a quick search on "Incredibles" and didn't see anything.

So I am taking the plunge and contributing for my 25K post the Incredibles...please use it as a basis for refinement, of course.

I did Mr. Incredible and Elasti-girl as standard 350 point characters for orthodoxy. I did Violet and Dash as lower totals, without worrying too much about it or trying to pad to 350, as that seemed suitable.

WIthout further ado...and I'll be glad to discuss the rationale if anyone asks...

Mr. Incredible

Player: 

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">65**</td><td>STR</td><td>55</td></tr><tr><td align="right">23**</td><td>DEX</td><td>39</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30**</td><td>CON</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15**</td><td>BODY</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>INT</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>EGO</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15**</td><td>PRE</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>COM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>PD</td><td>7</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>ED</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">5**</td><td>SPD</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">26**</td><td>REC</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">94**</td><td>END</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">63**</td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">10"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 242


<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">17**</td><td>Leaping +12" (25" forward, 12 1/2" upward) (Accurate)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">15**</td><td>Damage Resistance (15 PD/15 ED)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">11**</td><td>+30 STR (30 Active Points); Conditional Power Power does not work in Very Common Circumstances (Must be under direct stress or pressure.; -1), Extra Time (Extra Phase, Only to Activate, Delayed Phase, -1/2), Concentration (1/2 DCV; -1/4)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">6</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 43

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Bureaucratics 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Acrobatics 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Analyze: Combat 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Climbing 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Combat Driving 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">16**</td><td>+2 with All Combat*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>PS: Insurance: Adjustor 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Stealth 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Tactics 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Teamwork 14-*</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 43

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6**</td><td>Contact: Edna (E.) Mode (Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact has very useful Skills or resources, Very Good relationship with Contact) 8-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1**</td><td>Favor*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Contact: Government Contact (Contact has access to major institutions, Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources), Organization Contact (x3) (15 Active Points) 8-*</td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 22

Total Character Cost: 350

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>DNPC: Family in general (slight fudge) 14- (Slightly Less Powerful than the PC; Useful Noncombat Position or Skills)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Reputation: Legal problems, triggered demise of herodom, 8-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Phrases - "uh oh" and "show time" (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Overconfidence (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Enraged: Seeing criminal negligence (Uncommon), go 11-, recover 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Reputation: Major good guy, counted on to "do good", 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Code vs Killing (Very Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Cannot accept not using his powers for good or being retired (includes dislikes growing older/mundane responsibilities) (Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Social Limitation: Family (school obligations, etc.) (Occasionally, Minor)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Too big for some places/things (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Very big guy (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Driven to protect innocent/weak (Very Common, Total)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Occasionally, Major)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Hunted: Syndrome, no doubt others 11- (As Pow, Harshly Punish)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0


Elasti-Girl

Player: 

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">29**</td><td>STR</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">27**</td><td>DEX</td><td>51</td></tr><tr><td align="right">16**</td><td>CON</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13**</td><td>BODY</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>INT</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>EGO</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13**</td><td>PRE</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">16**</td><td>COM</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>PD</td><td>7</td></tr><tr><td align="right">9**</td><td>ED</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6**</td><td>SPD</td><td>23</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>REC</td><td>16</td></tr><tr><td align="right">52**</td><td>END</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">40**</td><td>STUN</td><td>12</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25 1/2"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 165


<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">7**</td><td>+15 STR (15 Active Points); No Figured Characteristics (-1/2), Limited Power Power loses about a third of its effectiveness (Only with stretching; -1/2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">3</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">9**</td><td>Damage Resistance (9 PD/9 ED)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">3**</td><td>Gliding 5", Only when can stretch Power loses less than a fourth of its effectiveness (Only +0 as very unlikely to be needed when not able to stretch; +0) (5 Active Points); Parachuting (-1/2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10**</td><td>Stretching Powers: Elemental Control, 20-point powers*</td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">30**</td><td>1) Stretching 8" (40 Active Points)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">4</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">20**</td><td>2) Desolidification (40 Active Points); Cannot Pass Through Solid Objects (-1/2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">4</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10**</td><td>3) Leaping +20" (25 1/2" forward, 12 1/2" upward) (20 Active Points)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10**</td><td>4) Swinging 20" (20 Active Points)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 99

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Martial Arts Maneuver</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4**</td><td>Martial Strike: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +2 DCV, 7 1/2d6 Strike*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Martial Throw: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +1 DCV, 5 1/2d6 +v/5, Target Falls*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4**</td><td>Martial Block: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, +2 DCV, Block, Abort*</td></tr></table>Martial Arts Cost: 11

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Acrobatics 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Breakfall 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">7**</td><td>Combat Piloting 16-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6**</td><td>+2 with Martial Maneuvers*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>+1 with any three maneuvers or a tight group of attacks - using stretching with attacks*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Contortionist 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9**</td><td>Power 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Stealth 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Tactics 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Teamwork 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Navigation (Air, Other City) 12-*</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 46

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6**</td><td>Contact: Edna (E.) Mode (Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact has very useful Skills or resources, Very Good relationship with Contact) 8-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2**</td><td>Favor*</td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 8

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6**</td><td>Combat Luck (3 PD/3 ED)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Combat Sense 12-*</td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 21

Total Character Cost: 350

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>DNPC: Family in general (slight fudge) 14- (Slightly Less Powerful than the PC; Useful Noncombat Position or Skills)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Enraged: Anyone messing with her family (Common), go 11-, recover 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Works hard to keep everyone's spirits up/provide support (Uncommon, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Unluck: 1d6*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Embarrassed about referring to self as Elastic-girl/old days (Uncommon, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Social Limitation: Bears most familial/domestic responsibilities (Frequently, Major)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Occasionally, Major)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Driven to keep family together and protect them (puts them before herself, doesn't forget in any circumstance) (Very Common, Total)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Competitive/woman in a man's world (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Reputation: Major heroine, 11-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Curiousity (okay, reaching a little...) (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Hunted: Syndrome, no doubt others 11- (As Pow, Harshly Punish)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Can get stuck and otherwise "molded" more easily (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Carefully maintains distinctive hairstyle (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Social Limitation: "Stay at home mom" (Occasionally, Minor)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0


Violet

Player: 

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val </td><td>Char </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12 </td><td>STR</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13 </td><td>DEX</td><td>9</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8 </td><td>CON</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8 </td><td>BODY</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13 </td><td>INT</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10 </td><td>EGO</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6 </td><td>PRE</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13 </td><td>COM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">4 </td><td>PD</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4 </td><td>ED</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4 </td><td>SPD</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10 </td><td>REC</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">36 </td><td>END</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">22 </td><td>STUN</td><td>4</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6" </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2" </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2" </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 51


<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">37 </td><td>Invisibility to Sight Group , No Fringe, Costs END Only To Activate (+1/4) (37 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">3</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">187 </td><td>FW (30 PD/30 ED), Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (187 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">7</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 224

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3 </td><td>Acrobatics 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3 </td><td>Deduction 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3 </td><td>Power 11- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 9

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">8 </td><td>Contact (Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources, Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact is slavishly loyal to character) 8- </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 8

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">18 </td><td>Combat Luck (9 PD/9 ED) </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 18

Total Character Cost: 310

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20 </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Very shy (Very Common, Strong) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5 </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Worries for parents/family (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10 </td><td>DNPC: Familial DNPC - brothers 14- (Slightly Less Powerful than the PC; Useful Noncombat Position or Skills) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5 </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Obedient to parents (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15 </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Not experienced with powers (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15 </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Lacks confidence (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10 </td><td>Rivalry: Familial, With brother (friendly), Rival is As Powerful, Rival is a Player Character, Seek to Outdo, Embarrass, or Humiliate Rival, Rival Aware of Rivalry </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15 </td><td>Social Limitation: Teenager (Frequently, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10 </td><td>Social Limitation: Living at home, still with family (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5 </td><td>Money: Only what parents give/she has access to Poor </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 110

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0


Dash

Player: 

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8**</td><td>STR</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">37**</td><td>DEX</td><td>81</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12**</td><td>CON</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8**</td><td>BODY</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">9**</td><td>INT</td><td>-1</td></tr><tr><td align="right">9**</td><td>EGO</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12**</td><td>PRE</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12**</td><td>COM</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6**</td><td>PD</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6**</td><td>ED</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6**</td><td>SPD</td><td>13</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12**</td><td>REC</td><td>16</td></tr><tr><td align="right">50**</td><td>END</td><td>13</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18**</td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">1 1/2"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 129


<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">68**</td><td>Hyper-fast running: Flight 40", No Turn Mode (+1/4), Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (120 Active Points); Limited Power Power loses about a third of its effectiveness (Not up sheer surfaces, must remain in motion on inappropriate surfaces (water, etc.); -1/2), Only In Contact With A Surface (-1/4)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">5</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10**</td><td>HA +3d6 (15 Active Points); Hand-To-Hand Attack (-1/2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10**</td><td>Luck 2d6*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 88

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Acrobatics 16-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Oratory 11-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Power 11-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Rapid Attack (HTH) *</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Rapid Attack (Ranged) *</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 19

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">8**</td><td>Contact (Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources, Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact is slavishly loyal to character) 8-*</td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 8

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">24**</td><td>Combat Luck (12 PD/12 ED)*</td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 24

Total Character Cost: 268

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Competitive (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Social Limitation: Little kid (Very Frequently, Severe)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Overconfident/showoff (Very Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Phrases - "uh oh" and "show time" (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Not experienced with powers (Very Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Rivalry: Familial, With sister (friendly), Rival is As Powerful, Rival is a Player Character, Seek to Outdo, Embarrass, or Humiliate Rival, Rival Aware of Rivalry*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Little kid (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 90

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0


Just added the HD files.

PS - forgot something important - I did get some ideas from one of the threads on the Incredibles - thank you to all.

PPS/Final Edit - I removed the HDC attachments as the v2s are superior and you can get those later in the thread, done also to save space.

Cheiro

Dec 1st, '04, 10:52 PM

Well done, Z-wil! I think you captured them all quite well.
Any chance you'll take a stab at Fro-zone or Syndrome? :winkgrin:

zornwil

Dec 1st, '04, 10:59 PM

Thanks! I very likely will, actually, but later as these took more time than I thought - coming up with 150 disads is hard based on the glimpses we got in the movie.

(SPOILER ALERT)

Whoops, I see when I copied and pasted distinctive phrases from Mr. Incredible to Dash, I left in "show time," which Dash never says. He does often say "uh-oh". I tend to think that's worth 5 points - after all, a more knowledgable villain would have known something bad was about to happen when Dash said "uh-oh" just before the hovercraft slammed into the mountainside.

Cheiro

Dec 1st, '04, 11:41 PM

Looking forward to seeing the others!

Enforcer84

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:12 AM

So why is the thread titled the Invisibles?
:D
25k? What are you a robot lizard despot?

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:12 AM

So why is the thread titled the Invisibles?
:D
25k? What are you a robot lizard despot?
Hey, I'm not a robot!

Enforcer84

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:16 AM

Be that as it may "Zornwill"; answer the question! Why are the Incredibles Invisible?

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:16 AM

Curses, you weren't distracted!

UGH - well, Violet turns Invisible and...

crap...

Enforcer84

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:17 AM

Curses, you weren't distracted!

UGH - well, Violet turns Invisible and...

crap...
Your Honor, the Offense, Rests.

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:18 AM

I PMed Ben, maybe he'll fix it.

Thanks Enforcer84.

Cheiro

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:22 AM

So why is the thread titled the Invisibles?
:D
25k? What are you a robot lizard despot?
Hey, I was letting it slide. I just got into the write-ups, but it did seem weird. :think:

OddHat

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:28 AM

Wonderful write ups Zornwill, and congrats on your 25k. :)

[nit-picking deleted] ;)

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:32 AM

Wonderful write ups Zornwill, and congrats on your 25k. :)

[nit-picking deleted] ;)
The +30 was suggested in that original thread, was that you who did so? Someone reputable here did. I guess I didn't consider that he used this for the robot (good call, maybe) and am not sure still as he seems to be able to lift the robot "normally". I was thinking more of when he ripped himself from the holding device in Syndrome's lair. And was trying to emulate a compromise between a plot device and HERO rules.

PS - hey, no worries about nit-picking, really! I'm interested in that sort of thing.

PPS - and extra END probably does make more sense or even as an additional qualifier.

PPPS - (getting tired! time to relax and wind down and go to bed!) - where are my manners? Thank you!

Kristopher

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:35 AM

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:37 AM

Isn't there a non-mainstream comic called "The Invisibles"?
That's what I thought the thread was about when I read the title.

As for the write-ups, I didn't see anything wrong with them at first glance.
Yeah, there is, that's the main reason I really hope Ben will correct the title of this and why I posted the other thread referring to this boo-boo. It's a somewhat controvesial Vertigo title. I like it, but not love it. It's a Grant Morrison work with all the attending virtues and vice of his work.

As to the write-ups, thanks!

Bucky

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:41 AM

These are pretty good. Think you might want to take a crack at Edna, and Jak Jak?

lemming

Dec 2nd, '04, 12:56 AM

I had to think "Who are the Invisibles?" :D

Congrats and nice job. I'll have to disect later.

edit: Hmm, I need to read replies before posting.

Hyper-Man

Dec 2nd, '04, 06:56 AM

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 07:56 AM

These are pretty good. Think you might want to take a crack at Edna, and Jak Jak?
I will probably do Jak Jak but that's very fudgy.

I will definitely do Edna, but I find it a daunting task as she's just such a fantastic character I'm loathe to screw her up!

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:03 AM

Very nice Zorn and congrats!

I am curious if you had a specific reason for giving Elasti-Girl such a low CON as it actually costs more points to make up for it via increasing REC, END and STUN individually? I think motherhood qualifies as a good enough reason to give her at least a 23-25.

HM
First, thanks not just to you but to others for the encouragement. I'm glad they came off okay. They're characters that are instant classics and so I took building them seriously (to the extent one should take these things seriously :) ). Tangent - I wonder if in the future the movie will be shown at Thanksgiving on TV and celebrated in much the same way as (the inferior) Wizard of Oz? I hope so! I intend to create that tradition in any case once we get the DVD.

As to your question, it's a good one. From an efficiency perspective I should do as you suggest, but I tried to build them "purely" and not resort to those so-called tricks except as necessary. Of course a valid point could be made that her CON is indeed higher. I kept it lower, though, primarily because I felt, at the time, like she's about that "fragile" (on a super-scale) in terms of actual CON rolls and in terms of being just a tad more than double human CON (at the +5 = x2 scale, which, whether we agree or not (I don't actually) it's orthodox HERO). HOWEVER, that being said, now that you focus on that, I think I should add at least a few points of CON (not sure if I would really go past 20) and not be paying the extra points on derived characteristics, particularly as I also think that the derived characteristics, to your point, indicate that her CON really si a bit higher than I was thinking at first. Thanks, Hyper-man.

OddHat

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:22 AM

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:40 AM

Well, if you're accepting quibbles (;)), may I suggest putting Violet's Force Wall into a MP with FF useable by others simultaneously, up to four others? At first I thought her Force Wall was Mobile, but Dash can carry her at nearly full speed while the Force Wall is up, and that level of Mobile is very expensive. Also, she may have some level of Feedback on her Force walls, or maybe extra power that costs Extra End; when the wall was breached by the robot, she was either exhausted or stunned, even though the robot never actualy managed to hit her.

Not trying to take anything away from the designs; Just tinkering. :)
A FW doesn't have to be UBO, does it? You can just enclose others in a FW, casting it at range as necessary.

As to the mobile bit with Dash, I took it as a Power Trick by both her and Dash - perhaps that's fudging it but that was my impression. Though if I did it as you suggest I'd probably limit the UBO and make it less expensive, as it's only UBO if they are doing something specific, they can't really cast or manipulate the FW itself even if she wanted them to.

No worries about tinkering, I like getting feedback, I'd like these to end up as the best possible writeups, which takes help like yours and Hyper-man's.

Good point about the robot, but here's my dilemma - she seems to cast the FWs effortlessly in the battles, and only when the robot smashed hard did it burst. I THINK that the robot actually performed a special maneuver by catching the FW like an egg between two surfaces that would not give and basically transmitted a sort of shockwave. I think...

PS - remember, also, she had no problem when the FW completely smashed 2 of the hovercrafts (though those DO seem kinda fragile as I think about it - Syndrome must have skimped on his hovercraft funding!).

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:42 AM

Hmmmm, writing up Syndrome's base would be a bit of a challenge - and expensive!

PS (rather than make a new post) - sigh, back to work...been fun, see you guys later this evening.

Kristopher

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:48 AM

Susano

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:49 AM

Look good to me. My write-ups will wait (as I've said before) until the DVD comes out. Pause, rewind, and frame-advance does wonders for getting the details down. Not to mention any offical "stats" they may give as part of the package.

OddHat

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:51 AM

A FW doesn't have to be UBO, does it? You can just enclose others in a FW, casting it at range as necessary.

As to the mobile bit with Dash, I took it as a Power Trick by both her and Dash - perhaps that's fudging it but that was my impression. Though if I did it as you suggest I'd probably limit the UBO and make it less expensive, as it's only UBO if they are doing something specific, they can't really cast or manipulate the FW itself even if she wanted them to.

No worries about tinkering, I like getting feedback, I'd like these to end up as the best possible writeups, which takes help like yours and Hyper-man's.

Good point about the robot, but here's my dilemma - she seems to cast the FWs effortlessly in the battles, and only when the robot smashed hard did it burst. I THINK that the robot actually performed a special maneuver by catching the FW like an egg between two surfaces that would not give and basically transmitted a sort of shockwave. I think...

PS - remember, also, she had no problem when the FW completely smashed 2 of the hovercrafts (though those DO seem kinda fragile as I think about it - Syndrome must have skimped on his hovercraft funding!).

The Force Wall doesn't need Useable By Others; the Force Field slot of the MP would take that, with the special effect being that it still looked like a Force Wall. That way she and Dash can do the Hamster Ball without putting a ton of Mobile on the Force Wall. On the other hand, making it a power stunt works as well. :)

I agree it's a tough call on the feedback. Treating it as a special maneuver by the robot is fine, or saying that she was Pushing to hold off the robot and that the wall went down because she ran out of END.

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 09:19 AM

{If you're crazy enough to have not seen the movie yet, this contains minor spoilers}

Is 10 OCV + taking time to aim enough to make the long-range headshot with the coconut against the agent? Should be OK, since he was standing still and taken by surprise.

It's hard to add stuff on, since you were going for a specific point total on the adults, but I'm musing over whether Deduction would be appropriate for Mr Incredible and Elastigirl. Mr I, for example, figures out the dead hero's message blasted in the wall, and that it's the password, pretty quickly.
I think it's okay, as you have a Set and Brace there. CSLs just got expensive and it's hard to keep within 350!

Re Deduction, agreed. I fudged by leaving on Tactics and letting that cover it for now. I did think about that. One could argue dropping Tactics or something and adding that in, to me it becomes a 50/50 proposition when having to keep within 350.

Good points, thank you.

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 09:22 AM

The Force Wall doesn't need Useable By Others; the Force Field slot of the MP would take that, with the special effect being that it still looked like a Force Wall. That way she and Dash can do the Hamster Ball without putting a ton of Mobile on the Force Wall. On the other hand, making it a power stunt works as well. :)

I agree it's a tough call on the feedback. Treating it as a special maneuver by the robot is fine, or saying that she was Pushing to hold off the robot and that the wall went down because she ran out of END.
Pushing makes sense, and could also be that the FW has increased toughness that requires her to pay extra END, kind of like Dad and his increased STR. It is hellaciously strong, I think the writeup may even be too low by a bit but FW really is expensive (in fact, compared to FF and Armor I do kind of buy the argument from another thread that it might be overpriced).

(yeah, I know, I said I was going to concentrate on work, but this is more fun! But I'll be back off shortly for the rest of the day, depending upon temptation.)

PS - and sorry, I missed you indicated FF, not FW, at first. I dunno, FW seems so specific to what she does and even given SFX I'm just not sure if I like fudging into a "Force Wall Force Field," but this also runs along the lines of the pricing discussion.

Kristopher

Dec 2nd, '04, 09:33 AM

I think it's okay, as you have a Set and Brace there. CSLs just got expensive and it's hard to keep within 350!

Re Deduction, agreed. I fudged by leaving on Tactics and letting that cover it for now. I did think about that. One could argue dropping Tactics or something and adding that in, to me it becomes a 50/50 proposition when having to keep within 350.

Good points, thank you.

Tactics is a must for the parents, though.

Victim

Dec 2nd, '04, 10:42 AM

Moody Loner

Dec 2nd, '04, 01:48 PM

Showed my wife, as she's been threatening to run the Incredibles ( Mr. I and followers ) in our next game.

Might be an excuse to see what our three year old calls "the superhero movie" a few more times.

CrosshairCollie

Dec 2nd, '04, 05:24 PM

Pretty good stuff!

I see things I would have built differently, but then, that's one of the beauties of HERO ... you can build the same thing in many different ways. :)

nexus

Dec 2nd, '04, 05:37 PM

Good write ups, Zornwil, My only suggestion is giving Elasti Girl the Power Skill for her Stretching. She seems to be very experienced and creative with her abilities.

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 06:30 PM

Good write ups, Zornwil, My only suggestion is giving Elasti Girl the Power Skill for her Stretching. She seems to be very experienced and creative with her abilities.
Thanks (to all) - re your comment, there's a Power Skill there, that's what it's for, I didn't realize but the template didn't print it was for Stretching. That one's covered at least! :)

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 06:50 PM

I don't buy Dash's super Dex and SPD. I don't see his base CV as being anywhere near his parent's level. It looked like he had to abort to avoid being hit by that agent. And in terms of combat actions, he mostly just used movement - he didn't really seem to have a high speed. I'd probably give him lots of movement, but lower dex and spd than his folks.
I see the DEX and the SPD as opposed to the CV!

I'm thinking in terms of his turn on a dime, grabbing the vine and swinging successfully with little experience, great catching with hand-eye prediction, and what I think his reaction time was like. My opinion is that for him the "doesn't know powers" disad should perhaps be more limiiting, but then again he learned really quickly to do some running tricks.

However, you're probably right about the SPD as I think about it, I need to revisit the running and the per-turn effects and such. I still think his SPD wouldn't be below 4 (he seems to pretty clearly get in actions more than a high-end guard who presumably is a 3), so that leaves 4 or 5. He does seem to have dodges to spare, though - I think he did aborts and then had actions to burn, re the agents. The problem is any real strike hurts him, but note that he was really DEXy/SPDy at grabbing vines and the liike to break his fall.

Also as to DEX I do tend to over-rank speedsters. It's worthy of consideration, anyway.

What values are you thinking?

Kristopher

Dec 2nd, '04, 07:23 PM

IMO, Dash's quick reaction time and short interval between distinct actions justifies the 6 SPD. The DEX might be a bit high, though.

Of course, as with all character constructions, this is where personal assumptions of scale will come into play, as the highest DEX I've ever given any NPC for any reason was 33.

nexus

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:01 PM

Thanks (to all) - re your comment, there's a Power Skill there, that's what it's for, I didn't realize but the template didn't print it was for Stretching. That one's covered at least! :)

Sorry, Zornwil. I missed that.

Victim

Dec 2nd, '04, 08:17 PM

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 11:57 PM

Sorry, Zornwil. I missed that.
No worries, it was kinda hidden. I know the writeup so it's easy for me to spot it, but that's all, I didn't realize the export didn't catch it (or I screwed up possibly, will have to double-check, but it was there for Stretching expressly).

zornwil

Dec 2nd, '04, 11:58 PM

I was thinking around 18-20 Dex and 4 SPD. I was thinking that tricks relating to super speed would make the difference with the Dex and eye hand stuff. Buy Acceleration advantages and movement skill levels for stopping and turning on a dime. Rapid Senses and some PSLs versus movement will make some part of his super speed act like a person in normal speed as far as penalties go.

I'd also remove some of the Hand Attack and replace it with autofire. He didn't seem to do a whole lot of damage in his stand up fight on top the hover-shredder, even when he hit the agent many times. That seems alot like the effect of an autofire attack versus (comparatively) high defenses.
I thnk your approach is entirely valid and perhaps there's some merit, but I tend toward's Kristopher way of thinking.

You have an excellent point of Autofire, I probably ought to pursue that, I have a personal bias against it but it does seem more accurate. Thank you.

Everyone, I probably won't do v2 until after the weekend, but that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the suggestions. Thanks, all!

Jinx999

Dec 3rd, '04, 11:01 AM

Victim

Dec 3rd, '04, 06:11 PM

I thnk your approach is entirely valid and perhaps there's some merit, but I tend toward's Kristopher way of thinking.

Well, I can easily understand your approach. The problem with my ideas is that they essentially suck. My way, you save points by taking less Dex, then spend a bunch of points to buy back some of the benefits of Dex (and other minor flavor stuff that quickly adds up) but not all. Less effectiveness for about the same amount of points.

Maybe a better idea would be to keep the super Dex, but do "No CV, -1/2" or something on the last ten. The kid can buy it off as he learns to fight.

freakboy6117

Dec 3rd, '04, 09:33 PM

are you going to do jack jack?

zornwil

Dec 4th, '04, 01:09 AM

I'd also give them some kind of super-teamwork ability. Something along the line of: Danger sense and defence manouver (only when fighting together), due to the way they cover each other's backs and a close range mindlink to represent the way they know each other so well that they know what each other is doing.

Jinx
It's a good idea but: a) just maxed out the points for the parents; b) I think a lot of this is reflected in giving the parents Tactics and Teamwork; and c) IMHO a lot of the cool teamwork isn't reflected in points in general, it's reflected (in RPGs) by the time we allow people to make decisions and the SPD chart (i.e., the luxury of having more actions than "regular" people).

However, to your point, they certainly should immediately do Teamwork. I should have given Violet and Dash Teamwork at 14/-, and just not Tactics. Will do that on v2.

And I appreciate your view, I'm not trying to debate anyone in the thread, exactly, but want to explain my opinions. I'd think more seriously about your view if/when I do an unlimited points version.

zornwil

Dec 4th, '04, 01:14 AM

Well, I can easily understand your approach. The problem with my ideas is that they essentially suck. My way, you save points by taking less Dex, then spend a bunch of points to buy back some of the benefits of Dex (and other minor flavor stuff that quickly adds up) but not all. Less effectiveness for about the same amount of points.

Maybe a better idea would be to keep the super Dex, but do "No CV, -1/2" or something on the last ten. The kid can buy it off as he learns to fight.
Oooooh, I like it! :thumbup:

I'm going to do some "mindless" catching up on the boards and need to do more work on my own campaign, but later this weekend will definitely do v2s and, to answer freakboy6117's post, do Jack Jack.

My own feeling is that Jack Jack's core powers will be some sort of fire-related thing but rather than go from my speculative opinion I'm going to go with what someone (OddHat?) basically suggested about an NCC VPP, will give it more thought as I get into it more.

Minor bummer note - I had hoped to see The Incredibles again this weekend but turns out we're going to see 2 movies anyway, one animated feature (the mob story thing from Dreamworks) and the other one I've been dying ot see anyway, End of the Century, the Ramones documentary. Between those, work (I have to get some work done Sunday), practice (Sunday PM), and my own campaign work I seriously doubt I'll have time to see the movie. Although if I get caught up on work by 1 PM or therabouts on Sunday I might go again.

Then again I shouldn't moan, it'll be time #4 if I'm so lucky this weekend. :)

Guzalot

Dec 12th, '04, 08:11 PM

I finally got to see this wonderful movie yesterday. I had to play the "it's my birthday" card to get the wife to agree and she thanked me for it.

First off: great write ups but...why did you feel the need to force Elastigirl and Mr. Incredible into 350 points? They are both obviously highly experienced and Mr. Incredible, from what I gathered, was considered one of the best heroes of his time. That's worth a few XP don't you think?

Anyway, great write-ups :thumbup: Now. if someone would do an Edna Mode writeup....

zornwil

Dec 12th, '04, 09:27 PM

Just for sake of fitting the tradition. Yeah, got preoccupied (and sick), I need to get back to this...

Michael Hopcroft

Dec 12th, '04, 10:00 PM

Finally saw The Incredibles today -- fabulous movie!

One interesting note is that Sydnrome's agents were a lot more supers-savvy than agents usually are in comics and media. One in particular got very close to actually managing to shoot Violet and actually used all kinds of anti-invisibility tricks to detect her. He knew there was an invisble opponet around, and he used various ingenious means to figure out where she was. Violet was lucky to live through the encounter.

The kids actually did come across as very inexperienced in using their powers in combat. They were clever, but they didn't know any of the trcisk that a more experienced hero would know as a matter of course. Dash, for example, was surprisingly easy to hit for a speedster -- he'd never been in combat before and didn't know to keep his entire body moving at all times just enough to make himself more difficult to hit. Since their inexperience nearly got both Violet and Dash killed, it's good to see it reflected in their writeups.

Jack-Jack is very difficult to model. being an infant, he has a very limtied grasp of his surroundings, but seems to recognize danger and instinctively react to it. he seems to be an extremely powerful metamorph who can change himself into any form of matter or energy (lead, pure heat) or into other types of creatures. When he gets older he'll be perhaps the family member with the most raw power.

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 08:49 PM

Here's Dash v2. Mainly I took up Victim's idea of DEX -1/2 for part of his DEX; given his abilities against pretty good guards I kept his base DEX at 20 so he'd get a CV of 7, the other 17 of his DEX being "no CV". This doesn't show up very well as HERO Designer (understandably) can't differentiate what isn't being derived from DEX so bear that in mind. I also gave him Teamwork and as someone else suggested modified his HA to be less dice but Autofire; I steered to try to give him enough dice to be useful still in his Move-Through in knocking down an Agent but keeping it limited enough that a little gets through against Agents, with Autofire being needed (at his current age/power) to pile on the stun.


Dash (Dashiell Parr)

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8  </td><td>STR</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">37  </td><td>DEX</td><td>30</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>CON</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8  </td><td>BODY</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">9  </td><td>INT</td><td>-1</td></tr><tr><td align="right">9  </td><td>EGO</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>PRE</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>COM</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>PD</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>ED</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>SPD</td><td>13</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>REC</td><td>16</td></tr><tr><td align="right">50  </td><td>END</td><td>13</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">1 1/2"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 78

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">68  </td><td>Hyper-fast running: Flight 40", No Turn Mode (+1/4), Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (120 Active Points); Limited Power Power loses about a third of its effectiveness (Not up sheer surfaces, must remain in motion on inappropriate surfaces (water, etc.); -1/2), Only In Contact With A Surface (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">5</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>HA +2d6, Autofire (5 shots; +1/2) (15 Active Points); Hand-To-Hand Attack (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Luck 2d6 </td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">14  </td><td>DEX with no CV effect: +17 DEX (51 Active Points); Limited Power - does not effect CV Power loses about a third of its effectiveness (-1/2) (Modifiers affect Base Characteristic) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 102

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Oratory 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Power 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Rapid Attack (HTH)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Rapid Attack (Ranged)  </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 22

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">8  </td><td>Contact (Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources, Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact is slavishly loyal to character) 8- </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 8

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">24  </td><td>Combat Luck (12 PD/12 ED) </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 24

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Competitive (Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Social Limitation: Little kid (Very Frequently, Severe) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Overconfident/showoff (Very Common, Strong) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Distinctive Features: Expresses emotions/ideas openly (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Not experienced with powers (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Rivalry: Familial, With sister (friendly), Rival is As Powerful, Rival is a Player Character, Seek to Outdo, Embarrass, or Humiliate Rival, Rival Aware of Rivalry </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Physical Limitation: Little kid (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 100
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 234
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 1.42 m</td><td>Hair: Blonde</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 30.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Blue</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: As his mother says, he's "incredibly competitive" and "a bit of a show-off" (taking after his father).</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:"Saying everyone's special is a way of saying nobody is." "Uh-oh!"</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Dash is the son of Mr. Incredible and Elasti-Girl, a 4th-going-to-5th grader when our story picks up.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: He's still becoming accustomed to his powers, but Dash has discovered he can run on water and quickly has realized the best way to lose a pursuer is to suddenly move unexpectedly, something his agility allows him to do despite his extreme speed. He understands intuitively his role in combat support, providing distractions and "going long" as needed.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 09:05 PM

Here's Elasti-Girl v2, I added Offensive Ranged Disarm, and tweaked her CON and resulting scores a bit as previously discussed.


Elasti-Girl (Helen Parr)

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">29  </td><td>STR</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">27  </td><td>DEX</td><td>51</td></tr><tr><td align="right">19  </td><td>CON</td><td>18</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>BODY</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14  </td><td>INT</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14  </td><td>EGO</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>PRE</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">16  </td><td>COM</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>PD</td><td>7</td></tr><tr><td align="right">9  </td><td>ED</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>SPD</td><td>23</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14  </td><td>REC</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">46  </td><td>END</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">41  </td><td>STUN</td><td>11</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25 1/2"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 161

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">7  </td><td>+15 STR (15 Active Points); No Figured Characteristics (-1/2), Limited Power Power loses about a third of its effectiveness (Only with stretching; -1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">3</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">9  </td><td>Damage Resistance (9 PD/9 ED) </td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">3  </td><td>Gliding 5", Only when can stretch Power loses less than a fourth of its effectiveness (Only +0 as very unlikely to be needed when not able to stretch; +0) (5 Active Points); Parachuting (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Stretching Powers: Elemental Control, 20-point powers </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">30  </td><td>1) Stretching 8" (40 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">4</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">20  </td><td>2) Desolidification (40 Active Points); Cannot Pass Through Solid Objects (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">4</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>3) Leaping +20" (25 1/2" forward, 12 1/2" upward) (20 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>4) Swinging 20" (20 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 99

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Martial Arts Maneuver</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Martial Strike: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +2 DCV, 7 1/2d6 Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Martial Throw: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +1 DCV, 5 1/2d6 +v/5, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Martial Block: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, +2 DCV, Block, Abort </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Martial Disarm: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, +1 DCV, Disarm; 39 STR to Disarm </td></tr></table>Martial Arts Cost: 15

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Breakfall 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">7  </td><td>Combat Piloting 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>+2 with Martial Maneuvers </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>+1 with any three maneuvers or a tight group of attacks - using stretching with attacks </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Contortionist 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9  </td><td>Power 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Stealth 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Tactics 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Navigation (Air, Other City) 12- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 46

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>Contact: Edna (E.) Mode (Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact has very useful Skills or resources, Very Good relationship with Contact) 8- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Favor </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 8

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>Combat Luck (3 PD/3 ED) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Combat Sense 12- </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 21

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>DNPC: Family in general (slight fudge) 14- (Slightly Less Powerful than the PC; Useful Noncombat Position or Skills) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Enraged: Anyone messing with her family (Common), go 11-, recover 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Works hard to keep everyone's spirits up/provide support (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Unluck: 1d6 </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Embarrassed about referring to self as Elastic-girl/old days (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Social Limitation: Bears most familial/domestic responsibilities (Frequently, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Driven to keep family together and protect them (puts them before herself, doesn't forget in any circumstance) (Very Common, Total) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Competitive/woman in a man's world (Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Reputation: Major heroine, 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Curiousity (okay, reaching a little...) (Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Hunted: Syndrome, no doubt others 11- (As Pow, Harshly Punish) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Physical Limitation: Can get stuck and otherwise "molded" more easily (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Distinctive Features: Carefully maintains distinctive hairstyle (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Social Limitation: "Stay at home mom" (Occasionally, Minor) </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 350
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 1.75 m</td><td>Hair: Red</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 58.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Brown</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: Helen Parr is a headstrong women who tries hard to keep things even keel in the Parr family, assuming most domestic duties. She has a temper, though, although she controls it well, it mainly showing up in flashes of angrily-intoned words and then quickly restrained.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:"I don't think so."</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Elasti-Girl was one of the premier supers during their initial time of greatness. She married Mr. Incredible just as supers were about to become unpopular. Independent-minded and eager, she nonetheless quietly settled down when supers were asked to hang up their capes.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: Elasti-Girl is an exceptional infiltrator as well as flexible in combat, serving both offensively and as combat support. She's tactically extremely keen-minded, as is her husband, and together they make a tough team to beat.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 09:17 PM

Here's Violet v2, I didn't change really anything, just adding a few notes.

Whoops, added Teamwork!


Violet Parr

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>STR</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>DEX</td><td>9</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8  </td><td>CON</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8  </td><td>BODY</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>INT</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>EGO</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>PRE</td><td>-4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>COM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">4  </td><td>PD</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4  </td><td>ED</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4  </td><td>SPD</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>REC</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">36  </td><td>END</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">22  </td><td>STUN</td><td>4</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 51

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">37  </td><td>Invisibility to Sight Group , No Fringe, Costs END Only To Activate (+1/4) (37 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">3</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">187  </td><td>FW (30 PD/30 ED), Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (187 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">7</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 224

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Deduction 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Power 11- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 12

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">8  </td><td>Contact (Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources, Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact is slavishly loyal to character) 8- </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 8

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">18  </td><td>Combat Luck (9 PD/9 ED) </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 18

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Very shy (Very Common, Strong) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Worries for parents/family (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>DNPC: Familial DNPC - brothers 14- (Slightly Less Powerful than the PC; Useful Noncombat Position or Skills) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Obedient to parents (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Not experienced with powers (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Lacks confidence (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Rivalry: Familial, With brother (friendly), Rival is As Powerful, Rival is a Player Character, Seek to Outdo, Embarrass, or Humiliate Rival, Rival Aware of Rivalry </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Social Limitation: Teenager (Frequently, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Social Limitation: Living at home, still with family (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Money: Only what parents give/she has access to Poor </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 120
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 313
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 1.63 m</td><td>Hair: Black</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 46.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Blue</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: She's shy, although overcoming that. She also already has a strong sense of family responsibility, although uncertainty about her powers and their usage.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:"You're so immature." to her brother "I feel different. Is different better?"</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Violet ("Vi" to her mom) is a teenager growing into womanhood. As the daughter of Mr. Incredible and Elasti-girl, she's had more pressure than most girls, although she seems to be overcoming that nicely.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: Violet understands her force walls can protect the family when needed, and is learning to use her invisibility. She's not yet oriented towards attack, more likely to get scared in direct battle, but is clearly developing her skills in this regard.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 09:25 PM

All I did with Mr. Incredible, aside from notes, was to alter his Disad to be "expresses his feelings/revelations audibly" rather than simply be catch phrases.


Mr. Incredible (Robert Parr)

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">65**</td><td>STR</td><td>55</td></tr><tr><td align="right">23**</td><td>DEX</td><td>39</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30**</td><td>CON</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15**</td><td>BODY</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>INT</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>EGO</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15**</td><td>PRE</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14**</td><td>COM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>PD</td><td>7</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>ED</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">5**</td><td>SPD</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">26**</td><td>REC</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">94**</td><td>END</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">63**</td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">10"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 242

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">17**</td><td>Leaping +12" (25" forward, 12 1/2" upward) (Accurate)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">15**</td><td>Damage Resistance (15 PD/15 ED)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">11**</td><td>+30 STR (30 Active Points); Conditional Power Power does not work in Very Common Circumstances (Must be under direct stress or pressure.; -1), Extra Time (Extra Phase, Only to Activate, Delayed Phase, -1/2), Concentration (1/2 DCV; -1/4)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">6</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 43

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Bureaucratics 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Acrobatics 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Analyze: Combat 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Climbing 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Combat Driving 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">16**</td><td>+2 with All Combat*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>PS: Insurance: Adjustor 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Stealth 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Tactics 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Teamwork 14-*</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 43

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6**</td><td>Contact: Edna (E.) Mode (Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact has very useful Skills or resources, Very Good relationship with Contact) 8-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1**</td><td>Favor*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Contact: Government Contact (Contact has access to major institutions, Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources), Organization Contact (x3) (15 Active Points) 8-*</td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 22

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>DNPC: Family in general (slight fudge) 14- (Slightly Less Powerful than the PC; Useful Noncombat Position or Skills)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Reputation: Legal problems, triggered demise of herodom, 8-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Expresses his feelings/revelations audibly (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Overconfidence (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Enraged: Seeing criminal negligence (Uncommon), go 11-, recover 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Reputation: Major good guy, counted on to "do good", 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Code vs Killing (Very Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Cannot accept not using his powers for good or being retired (includes dislikes growing older/mundane responsibilities) (Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Social Limitation: Family (school obligations, etc.) (Occasionally, Minor)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Too big for some places/things (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Very big guy (Easily Concealed; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Driven to protect innocent/weak (Very Common, Total)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Occasionally, Major)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Hunted: Syndrome, no doubt others 11- (As Pow, Harshly Punish)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 350
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 2.19 m</td><td>Hair: Blonde (dyed)</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 118.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Blue</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: Mr. Incredible is a bit of a show-off but very sincere in his commitment to help the innocent/victimized. He is an adrenalin junkie as well, and can't settle down easily to the mundane life.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:"Show time!" "Uh oh!" "We're superheroes, what can happen?"</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Mr. Incredible is one of the greatest of the great wave of superheroes, widely acclaimed in his time. Unfortunately, he is also the hero best remembered, perhaps, for triggering the avalanche of lawsuits that put supers out of business for a decade and a half. He married Elasti-girl and not-so-willingly went into retirement until recent events brought out the Incredibles.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: Not your average brick, Mr. Incredible is wily in combat, resorting to unpredictable tactics and working well with teammates. While his incredible strength is his primary ability, his tactical sense cannot be under-rated, and he's capable in stealth mode as well as open combat.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 09:26 PM

In a bit, will post Syndrome, and eventually Frozone and Edna Mode, as well as Jack-Jack.

Hyper-Man

Dec 17th, '04, 10:23 PM

Nice work Zornwil!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to zornwil again.
HM

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 10:53 PM

First the OmniDroid, which I wanted to get the points to in order to squeeze it into Syndrome's sheet. It was a bit hard to estimate how to make it inflict enough damage and have enough armor and still be able to have it damage itself quite so easily. I basically made the Armor twice-hardened but its own Claws 3x-amor-piercing, and added "Vulnerable to Self, x2". This allows it to easily damage itself - once you figure out how to get it to do so.


OmniDroid

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">70**</td><td>STR</td><td>60</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30**</td><td>DEX</td><td>60</td></tr><tr><td align="right">50**</td><td>CON</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>BODY</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15**</td><td>INT</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">0**</td><td>EGO</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>PRE</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">0**</td><td>COM</td><td>-5</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">5/30**</td><td>PD</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">3/28**</td><td>ED</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4**</td><td>SPD</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">24**</td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">100**</td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">14"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>16</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 226

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">15**</td><td>Does Not Bleed*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">15**</td><td>Lack Of Weakness (-5) for Normal Defense*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">0**</td><td>Leaping 0" (14" forward, 7" upward)*</td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">45**</td><td>Automaton (Takes No STUN (loses abilities when takes BODY))*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">75**</td><td>Energy Beam: EB 15d6*</td><td valign="top" align="right">7</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">30**</td><td>Find Weakness 11- with All Attacks*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">5**</td><td>Extra Limbs (2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">125**</td><td>Striking Claws: HKA 3d6+1 (5d6 w/STR) (standard effect: 15 BODY, 30 STUN), Armor Piercing (x3; +1 1/2) (125 Active Points)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">12</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">50**</td><td>Bashing Claws: HA +15d6 (standard effect: 45 STUN, 15 BODY) (75 Active Points); Hand-To-Hand Attack (-1/2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">7</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">337**</td><td>Armor (25 PD/25 ED), Hardened (x2; +1/2) (337 Active Points)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 697

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Analyze: Combat 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">24**</td><td>+3 with All Combat*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Breakfall 15-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Climbing 15-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Tactics 12-*</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 36

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Absolute Range Sense*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Absolute Time Sense*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9**</td><td>Ambidexterity (no Off Hand penalty)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Bump Of Direction*</td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 18

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">45**</td><td>Enraged: Berserk Always (Very Common), go 14-, recover 8-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Can be controlled via remote (Infrequently, Fully Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Vulnerability - to self: 2 x BODY (Uncommon)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Massive Sphere (All the Time, Greatly Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Distinctive Features: (Not Concealable; Extreme Reaction; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Automoton, no free will, following programmed destruction (All the Time, Fully Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Will do anything to assure survival - including fighting master (Common, Total)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 160
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 617
Total Experience Available: 617
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 977
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 6.10 m</td><td>Hair: NA</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 1000.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: NA</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: The OmniDroid has no personality aside from being relentless in destroying all perceived threats - or any life it seems, for that matter. It is a learning machine and continues to adapt to its opponents.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Brutal killing machine built by Snydrome to both eliminate supers ("competition") as well as be a villain ready-made for him to defeat.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: The OmniDroid has a few basic but extreme powers, essentially being a versatile brick robotic sphere with appendages. It eliminates every threat, analyzing it for weaknesses and tactics, intending to predict its opponents' actions.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 10:54 PM

Nice work Zornwil!

HM
Thanks! Hope you like the others...

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 11:08 PM

Here's Syndrome. Note I built the OmniDroid as a Follower, and gave it a -2 Limitation of "Independent"; I know this isn't orthodox for a Follower, and perhaps the OmniDroid's own Disad about preserving its life with total commitment, which Syndrome let slip by, is enough to not worry about it, but given that this "Follower" has such a major limitation in being Independent, I'm leaving it on this build. Technically, though, it probably shouldn't be there, but I can't leave the OmniDroid at its high value on his sheet without limiting the cost in my mind.

I also built him a Custom Talent to represent his plot device of getting the drop so easily on other supers - I felt this was very important, though, as without this Talent he just doesn't last long, and I feel it should be represented in game terms. This might be controversial, but I really like it. It's probably too cheap for what it is, but it's not a power one would give to a PC anyway.

I wasn't sure what else to add to his Control Bracelet, based on the movie. I didn't want to just leave it as a VPP, though, as he didn't seem to really function that way. However, I still may rethink that. I also might rebuild that as a simpler power as an Energy Blast with Variable Advantages and Lims, which might better represent its actual usage. Still, I think this best reflects the movie as we know things. Note that I separated out his Zero-Point Energy controlling ray because it just blows the frameworks up too much to either stick it into a VPP or MP with other stuff, so just a pragmatic concern there.


Syndrome (Buddy)

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8**</td><td>STR</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13**</td><td>DEX</td><td>9</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>CON</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>BODY</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25**</td><td>INT</td><td>15</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13**</td><td>EGO</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13**</td><td>PRE</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6**</td><td>COM</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">2**</td><td>PD</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2**</td><td>ED</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4**</td><td>SPD</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4**</td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">32**</td><td>END</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">19**</td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">1 1/2"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 52

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">30**</td><td>Flight 15", Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (45 Active Points); OIF (-1/2)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">103**</td><td>Zero-Point Energy: Telekinesis (100 STR), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), Area Of Effect (23" Any Area; +1), Selective (+1/4) (412 Active Points); OAF (-1), Limited Power - Must be used at full strength and cannot be used same time as any other Control Bracelet powers Power loses about half of its effectiveness (-1), Limited Range - 10" (-1/4), Requires A DEX Roll (for moving things with power) (No Active Point penalty to Skill Roll; -1/4), Beam (-1/4), Concentration (1/2 DCV; -1/4)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">180**</td><td>Control Bracelet: Multipower, 180-point reserve*</td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4u**</td><td>1) ZBE Blast: EB 12d6, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (90 Active Points); OAF (-1)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">9u**</td><td>2) RKA 6d6, Explosion (+1/2), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (180 Active Points); OAF (-1)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4u**</td><td>3) Radar (Radio Group), Discriminatory, Analyze, Increased Arc Of Perception (360 Degrees), Increased Maximum Range (225"; +0), Ranged (+1/2) (45 Active Points)*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 330

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Computer Programming 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Security Systems 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Systems Operation 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Criminology 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Deduction 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Electronics 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Interrogation 12-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">13**</td><td>Inventor 19-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>KS: Supers 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Mechanics 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Oratory 12-*</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 45

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">70**</td><td>Base (approximation, for later refinement)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">136**</td><td>Follower (409 Active Points); Independent (-2)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Vehicle (generic/approximate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Advanced Tech*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Money: Filthy Rich*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">30**</td><td>Follower*</td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 276

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">7**</td><td>Custom Talent [Notes: This is modelled on the cost of a single daily charge of Invisibility, the idea being he is often unseen/unexpected until he suddenly appears to get the drop on the hero.]*</td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 7

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Will do anything to be the center of people's attention as a hero - ANYTHING. (Very Common, Total)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Veangeful (Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Overconfidence, trusts own intelligence above everything else, assumes does not make mistakes (Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Resents other supers (Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Cold, unfeeling. (Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Unluck: 3d6*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Cape... (Infrequently, Greatly Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Social Limitation: Lives alone on island, limited circle (Very Frequently, Minor, Not Limiting In Some Cultures)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Self-conscious/ego issues regarding lack of own innate powers (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Noticably short guy, unusual hair (Concealable; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Short (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Rivalry: Professional, with Mr. Incredible, Rival is As Powerful, Seek to Harm or Kill Rival, Rival Unaware of Rivalry*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">0**</td><td>Reputation: That kid who messed up Mr. Incredible's career, 8- (Known Only To A Small Group)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 360
Total Experience Available: 360
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 710
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 1.52 m</td><td>Hair: Red</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 75.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Blue</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: Syndrome is cold-hearted and entirely self-centered, having apparently lost touch with his humanity. His sole goal is the accumulation of power and ultimately glory as a perceived hero.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:"I'm still geekin' out about it!" "Who's super now?" "Too late - 15 years too late." </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: As a child, Buddy idolized Mr. Incredible and even tried to become his sidekick, but was rejected as Mr. Incredilbe "works alone." Embittered but brilliant, Buddy built weapons, building a fortune, and saving the best for himself. He ended up building an amazing scheme to rid the world of its supers and become its foremost super himself, defeating a threat of his own devising. His plans were foiled by the Incredibles and he appeared to lose his life in a final confrontation with them.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: Syndrome is the classic mastermind, and relies entirely on his gadgets and weapons, believing that which he's built with his intellect is unqestionably in control and superior to any opponent.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 17th, '04, 11:10 PM

Enough work for now, I'll do Frozone, Edna, Jack Jack, and Mirage later. Comments are always welcome.

Susano

Dec 18th, '04, 05:09 AM

Enough work for now, I'll do Frozone, Edna, Jack Jack, and Mirage later. Comments are always welcome.

Permission to add them to the webpage?

Victim

Dec 18th, '04, 09:45 AM

zornwil

Dec 18th, '04, 06:13 PM

Permission to add them to the webpage?
Absolutely, thanks!

zornwil

Dec 18th, '04, 06:19 PM

Actually, I reccomend making the Zero-Point Energy AoE 1 Hex - Accurate. Since Selective requires attack rolls against enemies' normal CV and since Syndrome has a normal's CV, he'd be rather ineffective attacking in that fashion. Also, he seems to only snag groups when they're standing close together. He could be spreading his attack when he nails the entire family. Not sure how the math works out, but you could take the points from dropping the AoE to +1/2 and buy some TK "only for spreading" -1/2 or whatever. Of course, you need to remove the beam limitation.
When Syndrome holds the whole family, the mother and father are definitely in a different hex than the kids, so I agree it'd at least have to be spread. I didn't think you could spread an AoE? I did reread the rule just now and it doesn't seem to say either way, but I'm a bit suspicious. I'll ask Steve re spreading and AoE specifically. It seems a little abusive (given AoE gives you a 3 DCV target and spreading it can be highly effective when instead I would think a GM would typically require you buy a larger AoE). But the rules seem to allow for it by ommission. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll probably incorporate something like that one way or another as I think about it to make the attack more reasonably-costed at least.

TheEmerged

Dec 18th, '04, 07:21 PM

Actually, the "spreading" could just as easily be Rapid Attack...

zornwil

Dec 18th, '04, 07:29 PM

That's an interesting point, or even Autofire itself, just 2 (maybe more, not clear from the movie) shots, 1 hex each. As an aside, to its strength, we know the ZPE can pick up an oil tanker, presumably a full one as when firing it Syndrome wouldn't be sure if it had contents or not but conidently grabbed it.

Another possibility, as raised from an entirely separate question elsewhere, is an NND Entangle, which might make sense, linked with enough TK to actually move around that which is Entangled. The defense would presumably being simply being able to block the beam, easy to do if you're not already Entangled, but pretty darn hard once you're snagged.

starblaze

Dec 18th, '04, 08:09 PM

Good write-up on Syndrome. My only objection is that he looked more buff than what an 8 STR would have given him. You might want to upgrade this a bit.

RPMiller

Dec 18th, '04, 08:18 PM

Padded costume...

zornwil

Dec 18th, '04, 08:26 PM

Good write-up on Syndrome. My only objection is that he looked more buff than what an 8 STR would have given him. You might want to upgrade this a bit.
Maybe, but I'm more tempted towards RPMiller's suggestion. He got knocked out pretty easily when flying into the building (and was out for a while, GM's discretion!) and seems to be so reliant on his gadgets he doesn't seem like he developed any real strength. Of course he does have to fly and navigate, so maybe he should at least be a few higher, though I'm trying to fight my tendency towards stat inflation.

One thing I realized later today - I didn't give him any defenses! I'll do a v2 (and may add some STR then, unsure) and give him some more PD/ED out of the presumption his costume affords him some (similar to how Edna's costumes afford protection, seems to be a standard explanation), but he really does seem to be susceptible to getting hit and such, so I don't want to go too far.

PS - and thanks!

freakboy6117

Dec 18th, '04, 08:50 PM

syndrome's control bracelet is missing the scout probe thing he used to serach for mr incredible.

would that be a summon or just clairestence

zornwil

Dec 18th, '04, 08:51 PM

syndrome's control bracelet is missing the scout probe thing he used to serach for mr incredible.

would that be a summon or just clairestence
I wrote it as a Ranged Radar, that's what that was intended to replicate.

PS - and the range was so it could be done at range, though perhaps I should have taken Indirect? But that's not offered, as I recall, for Enhanced Senses.

Kristopher

Dec 18th, '04, 09:44 PM

Indirect and Transdimensional aren't, unfortunately, allowed for Senses, IIRC. I think the official build is Clairsentience.

Chuckg

Dec 18th, '04, 09:54 PM

Nope. I don't know about Indirect, but Transdimensional is a legitimate sense modifier in 5e. (Costs +10 points) It's used in Mystic World to create things like "Astral Sight", and then there's 5e Revised, which rolled it into the core rules.

Kristopher

Dec 18th, '04, 09:59 PM

Last I checked, Hero Designer put up a giant red falg when I tried adding the Transdimensional Advantage to a character's IR Sight.

(To simulate her ability to see through shadows and into the Shadow Realm, or from the Shadow Realm back into the normal world.)

Chuckg

Dec 18th, '04, 10:01 PM

Oh, definitely. I was referring to the Transdimensional Adder, under Enhanced Senses, built for precisely this purpose.

Kristopher

Dec 18th, '04, 10:04 PM

Oh, definitely. I was referring to the Transdimensional Adder, under Enhanced Senses, built for precisely this purpose.

I'll have to check that when I get home. I haven't noticed it in Hero Designer yet. On a positive note, my copy of Mystic World should be here by Friday.

zornwil

Dec 18th, '04, 10:27 PM

I suppose Clairsentience is reasonable, I had spaced on that somehow even though I've certainly had PCs with it for this sort of thing. I should probably redo it in v2 as that with some appropriate limitations.

zornwil

Dec 19th, '04, 04:11 PM

It's not legal to spread an AoE attack, it's on page 380 of 5ER, as Steve pointed out, I just missed it the other night, it says specifically "Characters may not spread attacks that affect an area (such as...any power with the Area of Effect...Advantages)".

So either a slightly expanded AoE beyond a hex with Selective or Autofire with the +1/4 AoE. I'm inclined to go towards the latter with 2 shots, I don't get the impression he could do a whole lot.

Koshka

Dec 23rd, '04, 08:27 AM

zornwil

Dec 23rd, '04, 09:58 PM

Thanks much. NCC or Limited CC sounds good. Might do that, but not for a while, I saw the movie today (7th time, yes I am a fanatic) and really want to do the others.

Also, as to the discussion above re Syndrome's ZPE hold, I realized today that the reason he gets off 2 separate shots is simple, one shot is from each of his 2 wrist controls, so it's an instance of 2 Foci/Weapons going off in the same phase. I have to double-check the rules on duplicated Foci, two-handed fighting, and multi-power attacks, but that will straighten out his ability for sure to hit 2 target hexes.

zornwil

Dec 23rd, '04, 09:59 PM

Oh, by the way, Ben did look into changing the title but he encountered some problems in doing so. Just want to give him his due credit for the attempt and not leave anyone thinking he ignored my request.

zornwil

Dec 24th, '04, 08:50 PM

Okay, here's Frozone. Although we saw a reasonable bit of him, I found it hard to do - it's implied he can probably do even more with ice powers, though I stopped shy of giving him Variable Advantages. It was a bit hard to boost his power level to 350, but I think it really should be, as in a full write-up Mr. Incredible would certainly be more, and bear in mind as Mr. Incredible flips through Syndrome's computer, the supers that the Omnidroids fought go up in power (note there's a power level in the upper right of each super's profile, though we don't see Frozone's or Elasti-girl's, but we know Mr. Incredible is 9.1 (IIRC, it's 9.x at least) and the power level goes up more or less as he thumbs through each Omnidroid's opponent chronologically), and Frozone was, based on Mirage's surveillance, somewhere fairly soon on the list and presumably not too far below Mr. Incredible.

A few things I'd like to explain right off - given his handling of the police and his earliest comments on dealing with superwomen and his general appeal, I figured while his general PRE isn't THAT high, he is "charming" hence the Skill Levels with Conversation, Persuasion, and (not in the movie directly but I figured) Seduction, and this goes to explaining why a policeman (even a rookie one, obviously he's a nervous kid) would let him "drink his drink". The "small personal base" is a reflection of, if you noticed, the various "stuff" behind the fake wall, it doesn't look like just Mr. Incredible's den with memories of old days, looks like he has a computer and such. I figured he MUST be well-off, given that he has a nice apartment right downtown near the financial district, and given the snazzy way he has his personal stuff hidden behind a rather high-tech switchable wall. Re the powers, I might have hyped his MP too much but I wanted to be sure he could variably switch through stuff as needed plus I think, as stated, he's probably fairly powerful, it's just hard to tell as we only saw him against the final Omnidroid, which was too much even for Mr. Incredible alone, and before that just dealing with normals (NB - note he was carrying a couple and could still run, hence a little STR). Re Disads, hard to fit in 150, so I admit a couple are probably overstated a bit. The interesting thing, and I think what I reasonably hit, is that while he has heroic ambitions to protect people, he very much wants to obey the law (remember, he's not keen on going out for "bowling night" and deceiving everyone); so I gave him 3 relevant Disads, one is that he certainly will protect against grave danger (note he is inflexible in wanting to stop the Omnidroid, not even "the greatest good you'll ever have" stops him :) ), another is that he is a good friend to Mr. Incredible (so he allows himself to get mixed up in heroics again even against small threats), and finally he really wants to do what society and his wife are asking him. I included the "honesty" with that as I noticed it was interesting his wife, who clearly didn't know or see the Omnidroid, wasn't surprised that he wanted to go out and do some "daring-do" so I strongly suspect he's told her of some sort of occassions of such, though probably not the most recent so-called bowling nights (although maybe so, given that was almost 2 months before the Omnidroid attack). You miay wonder why I gave him 2d6 of Unluck; that was done to reflect that he seems to suffer from bad timing/events. Note that the Omnidroid attack comes exactly when his wife has his supersuit removed, and he and Mr. Incredible both fall into the jewelry store, looking like "bad guys - incompetent bad guys!"

Okay, without further ado, here's Frozone!


Frozone (Lucius Best)

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15  </td><td>STR</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20  </td><td>DEX</td><td>30</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>CON</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>BODY</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>INT</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>EGO</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>PRE</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14  </td><td>COM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">4/24  </td><td>PD</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td align="right">7/27  </td><td>ED</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">5  </td><td>SPD</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>REC</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>END</td><td>17</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">3"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 107

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">60  </td><td>Suit and Helmet: Armor (20 PD/20 ED) </td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4  </td><td>Visor Mutes Light: Sight Group Flash Defense (5 points) (5 Active Points); IIF (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">16  </td><td>Quick on Ice: Running 10" (20 Active Points); Power only works on ice Power does not work in Uncommon Circumstances (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">11  </td><td>Snazzy Icecapades on Iceboard: Flight 10", Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (25 Active Points); OAF (-1), Only In Contact With Ice Surface (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">80  </td><td>Ice Attacks: Multipower, 100-point reserve, (100 Active Points); all slots Does not work when Frozone is dehydrated or no water in air Power does not work in Uncommon Circumstances (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">12m  </td><td>1) Frozen (with Ice Wall option): Entangle 7d6, 7 DEF (Larger Wall (+3")) (76 Active Points); Does not work when Frozone is dehydrated or no water in air Power does not work in Uncommon Circumstances (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">8</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">11m  </td><td>2) Stunningly Cold: EB 14d6 (70 Active Points); Does not work when Frozone is dehydrated or no water in air Power does not work in Uncommon Circumstances (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">7</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">5m  </td><td>3) Icey Conditions: Change Environment 8" radius, Varying Combat Effects (30 Active Points); Does not work when Frozone is dehydrated or no water in air Power does not work in Uncommon Circumstances (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">3</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 199

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9  </td><td>Power - Freezing Multipower 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Defense Maneuver I  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>+2 with any three related Skills </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Conversation 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Persuasion 12- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Seduction 12- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 33

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Money: Well Off </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Vehicles & Bases </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 9

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Environmental Movement - Icey Terrain (no penalties on) </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 2

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Hunted: Syndrome 11- (Mo Pow, Harshly Punish) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Protect the Public in Times of Unusual Danger (Uncommon, Total) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>DNPC: Wife, Honey 11- (Incompetent) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Social Limitation: Social Events, Wife's Obligations (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Frequently, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Social Limitation: Well-off, job (Occasionally, Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Loyalty/Friendship to Mr. Incredible and family (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Honest and tries to obey society's rules (Very Common, Moderate) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Unluck: 2d6 </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Reputation: Major super of past, 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Nostalgic (Uncommon, Moderate) </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 350
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 1.84 m</td><td>Hair: Black (facial hair only)</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 62.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Brown</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: A charming and attractive man, Lucius manages to be both affable and commanding in presence at the same time. He tries to do the right thing for his country, his family, and his friends.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:None in particular known, but he eschews corny ice-related catch phrases, hearing them too often from his friends.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Frozone was one of the major supers in the great age of such in the '60s. As required by the government, he went underground.with all others, settling down with his wife, Honey.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: Frozone has both offensive and combat support abilities, given his abilities to alter the terrain with ice as well as create great ice walls or freeze opponents. Moreover, he's extremely quick, covering a lot of ground and assisting others in combat if they're compromised.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

zornwil

Dec 24th, '04, 08:51 PM

Also, FYI, I have edited the last post with Elasti-girl to update that her eyes are brown.

zornwil

Dec 25th, '04, 06:03 AM

And for Christmas...here's Edna Mode!

I went to town, but not unrealistically so, I think, given the impression she makes in the film. :)

By the way, I found great file photos from Pixar for all the characters, those will be added to uploads going backwards. To save space on the boards, the oldest (v1) writeups are being eliminated for those characters with a v2. They are available upon request. Later I'll also put stuff up on my site and link to here as KS has done on his site and save the HERO boards the space, just too lazy right now.

(PS - whoops, yuck, I noticed the export dropped some details, added now)


Edna Mode

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Char***</td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>STR</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>DEX</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>CON</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10**</td><td>BODY</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>INT</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>EGO</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25**</td><td>PRE</td><td>15</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12**</td><td>COM</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">2**</td><td>PD</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2**</td><td>ED</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2**</td><td>SPD</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4**</td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20**</td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td>*</td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"**</td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"**</td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"**</td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 46

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">82**</td><td>Raw Materials to Amazing Clothes: Major Transform 20d6 (standard effect: 60 points) (Destruction!), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (450 Active Points); Extra Time (1 Day, Absolute minimum time is 1 day; Skill Roll can still take advantage of time chart BEYOND that; -4), Requires A Skill - Inventor Roll (-1/2) [Notes: NB - 30 points is about enough to create something worth an added 50 CP from raw material - ((50-0)/5) = +10 BOD to original material, usually consisting of 20 BOD if sturdy/amazing material]*</td><td valign="top" align="right">0</td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 82

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Oratory 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Conversation 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Interrogation 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Persuasion 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Deduction 13-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>High Society 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9**</td><td>Inventor 16-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>SS Biochemistry 13-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>SS Physics 13-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Security Systems 13-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6**</td><td>+2 with any three related Skills, Skill Levels with Costume (Armor or Fashion) Design*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">7**</td><td>Armorsmith 13-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>PS Fashion Designer 13-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>KS Fashion 13-*</td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 55

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Superhero Access: Access*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">36**</td><td>Superhero Contacts: Contact (Contact has extremely useful Skills or resources, Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact is slavishly loyal to character), Organization Contact (Superheroes as a group; x3) (36 Active Points) 14- [Notes: Given Edna's persuasion and IOUs, the contact as a group is listed as "slavishly loyal" (can anyone imagine Edna not getting her way when necessary?)]*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Pool of Favors 1: Favor*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Pool of Favors2: Favor*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Money: Filthy Rich*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1**</td><td>Clothes designer for the superheroes: Reputation (A small to medium sized group) 14-, +1/+1d6*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">40**</td><td>Superhero Clothes Design (and certainly more) Base: Vehicles & Bases*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Advanced Tech*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3**</td><td>Major Fashion Designer: Reputation (A large group) 14-, +1/+1d6*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">21**</td><td>Fashion Contacts: Contact (Contact has significant Contacts of his own, Contact has useful Skills or resources), Organization Contact (Fashion world as a whole, and by extension; x3) (21 Active Points) 14-*</td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 156

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost**</td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">11**</td><td>Inspire*</td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 11

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val**</td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Speaks her mind (Very Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Manipulative (Very Common, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Enjoys a challenge (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Never looks back, it distracts from the now (Common, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Ambitious (Uncommon, Moderate)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Social Limitation: Maintains secret base/to a limited extent secret life (Occasionally, Minor)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Reputation: Fashion Designer to Superheroes, 11- (Known Only To A Small Group)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Psychological Limitation: Unhappy no longer designing for supers (Uncommon, Strong)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15**</td><td>Reputation: Major fashion designer, 14-*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Manner of speech and dress (Concealable; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20**</td><td>Social Limitation: Major fashion designer (Frequently, Severe)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Rivalry: Professional, Other fashion designers (as a group), Rival is As Powerful, Seek to Outdo, Embarrass, or Humiliate Rival, Rival Aware of Rivalry*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10**</td><td>Distinctive Features: Very short (Concealable; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses)*</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5**</td><td>Physical Limitation: Very short (Infrequently, Slightly Impairing)*</td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150
 
Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 350
 
<table width="100%" valign="top"><tr valign="top"><td>Height: 1.36 m</td><td>Hair: Black</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td>Weight: 37.00 kg</td><td>Eyes: Brown</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Appearance: </td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Personality: Edna is an overpowering personality; she's even bolder than her designs, and speaks her mind bluntly. She's also extremely persuasive. She relishes a challenge and aspires to be the very best at what she does. Edna greatly misses the old days of designing for supers.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Quote:"I never look back, it distracts from the now." "I used to design for GODS!"</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Background: Edna Mode is a world-renowned fashion designer...but she's also a secretly-renowned (within the super community) costume designer for superheroes, having designed many, if not most, of the superheroes costumes during the first great age of supers.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Powers/Tactics: Edna Mode is not just a designer for supers, she assures their well-being with appropriate costumes designed to withstand extreme punishment (including fire, bullets, missiles, you name it). But perhaps moreover she knows how to motivate her superhero friends and assist them in their path, sometimes with subtlety but often with a strange combination of brute force of personality and charm.</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td colspan=2>Campaign Use: </td></tr></table>

Susano

Dec 25th, '04, 06:10 AM

Zornwil,
Can I get a text and/or HTML copy for Surbrook's Stuff? I've downloaded the webpages, but I want to make sure I get the "right" versions.

zornwil

Dec 25th, '04, 06:13 AM

Zornwil,
Can I get a text and/or HTML copy for Surbrook's Stuff? I've downloaded the webpages, but I want to make sure I get the "right" versions.
Sure, I'm going to revise Snyndrome so he's not quite ready - in fact probably best to wait until I've gotten more feedback (if any) for Frozone and Edna as well.

Please let me know which specific format you'd like, I imagine you must have some standards for how you prefer the Hero Designer files output. If not I'll send you one of the HTML versions.

zornwil

Dec 25th, '04, 06:14 AM

On a side note, by the time nearly all have read this, I will have corrected that I accidentally posted Frozone without background notes, sorry.

Karma

Dec 25th, '04, 10:16 PM

zornwil

Dec 25th, '04, 11:59 PM

I don't klnow if anyone's pointed this out yet but you forgot Social Limitation: Secret ID

Remember "Your identities are your most valuable asset"

Which is why the Kids need 'super names' (apart from Violet, Dash and Jack-Jack)
I think the reason I left them off was that I was sort of taking a mid-late movie snapshot and that stuff kicks in relatively late, nonetheless, you're right, I'll add them, they actually were relevant early on (in the context of hiding powers, whether an identity yet).

Okay, I added those, kept them as "..._v2" and edited the above posts accordingly for Dash and Violet. (Mike if you're reading the versions you're getting are these up to date ones)

Karma

Dec 26th, '04, 05:14 PM

Michael Hopcroft

Dec 26th, '04, 05:21 PM

Maybe I missed something but Dash's 'autofire' punches didn't look all that effective to me. I mean he hit a minion several times in quick sucession and the minion was able to shake it off in a moment (post segment 12 Recovery?) and hit Dash (who may, I grant you, have jumped given what followed). At the very most all he did was distract the minion long enough to make him run into a wall. Giving him any kind of effective HA (let alone +2d6 autofire) is going a little far in my opinion. He might hit a hundred times in quick succession but it won't actually *hurt*.

Of course, this is just my opinion.
It comes down to the children's inexperience. Given time, Dash will learn to focus his speed into power, just as given time Violet will learn to toughen her forcefields and make them more reliable. As it is, now, both are novice superheroes at best, with plenty of raw power but little experience or skill.

It's hard to model the sort of inexperience in stat terms because stats model, in a sense, potential. Even if you give the characters disadvantages they will have to buy off as they get experience, it's hard to exactly model the effects of knowing you CAN do stuff but not knowing precisely HOW.

RPMiller

Dec 26th, '04, 05:57 PM

It's easy to model that... it's called experience points. ;)

zornwil

Dec 26th, '04, 10:27 PM

Maybe I missed something but Dash's 'autofire' punches didn't look all that effective to me. I mean he hit a minion several times in quick sucession and the minion was able to shake it off in a moment (post segment 12 Recovery?) and hit Dash (who may, I grant you, have jumped given what followed). At the very most all he did was distract the minion long enough to make him run into a wall. Giving him any kind of effective HA (let alone +2d6 autofire) is going a little far in my opinion. He might hit a hundred times in quick succession but it won't actually *hurt*.

Of course, this is just my opinion.
Yeah, but I think those agents were fairly tough. I believe the way I wrote it up he would barely penetrate on each strike. The first agent, the one driving the hovercraft, was going to go down, I think, when Dash looked up and saw they were about to hit the cliff, though Dash would have had to get just a few more licks in. The guard seemed stunned (in the true sense, not at 0 STUN). Obviously, YMMV (and does, that's cool). I'm just explaining my thoughts on the matter.

zornwil

Dec 26th, '04, 10:28 PM

It comes down to the children's inexperience. Given time, Dash will learn to focus his speed into power, just as given time Violet will learn to toughen her forcefields and make them more reliable. As it is, now, both are novice superheroes at best, with plenty of raw power but little experience or skill.

It's hard to model the sort of inexperience in stat terms because stats model, in a sense, potential. Even if you give the characters disadvantages they will have to buy off as they get experience, it's hard to exactly model the effects of knowing you CAN do stuff but not knowing precisely HOW.
Also true, and hence their disads. Thanks Michael.

It's easy to model that... it's called experience points. ;)

(PS) IMHO, not really. Bear in mind when a PC first starts in a campaign, he usually has a pretty solid idea of how to use his powers - and those who don't (IME) tend to take a Disad which they later buy off.

Michael Hopcroft

Dec 26th, '04, 10:37 PM

Yeah, but I think those agents were fairly tough. I believe the way I wrote it up he would barely penetrate on each strike. The first agent, the one driving the hovercraft, was going to go down, I think, when Dash looked up and saw they were about to hit the cliff, though Dash would have had to get just a few more licks in. The guard seemed stunned (in the true sense, not at 0 STUN). Obviously, YMMV (and does, that's cool). I'm just explaining my thoughts on the matter.
These agents were something else typical RPG Agents are not -- smart. They were used to dealing with super-powered opposition and knew how to deal with them. The one agent who stalked Violet pulled out many low-tech but highly effective tricks for trying to locate an invisble opponent, and was about ten seconds away from putting several bullets into her.

By contrast, Dash and Violet were very inexperienced. They didn't know what they could do on the isnticitve level posessed by most PCs. Under life-threatening stress for the first time, they came very close to being overwhelmed by panic. Violet, for example, didn't realize that an invisble character who stays in one place will eventually be detected by a halfway-savvy opponent even without superpowers.

Dash and Violet had NO training. Their parents evidently never expected them to find themselves in combat, certainly not while they were still children, and so they were not prepared at all. And it nearly got them both killed.

Reneshat

Dec 26th, '04, 10:43 PM

These agents were something else typical RPG Agents are not -- smart. They were used to dealing with super-powered opposition and knew how to deal with them. The one agent who stalked Violet pulled out many low-tech but highly effective tricks for trying to locate an invisble opponent, and was about ten seconds away from putting several bullets into her.

By contrast, Dash and Violet were very inexperienced. They didn't know what they could do on the isnticitve level posessed by most PCs. Under life-threatening stress for the first time, they came very close to being overwhelmed by panic. Violet, for example, didn't realize that an invisble character who stays in one place will eventually be detected by a halfway-savvy opponent even without superpowers.

Dash and Violet had NO training. Their parents evidently never expected them to find themselves in combat, certainly not while they were still children, and so they were not prepared at all. And it nearly got them both killed.

And all that reminds me of why that was SUCH AN AWESOME MOVIE!!!!!!!! Sorry, I know it was a little off subject.

RPMiller

Dec 26th, '04, 11:19 PM

(PS) IMHO, not really. Bear in mind when a PC first starts in a campaign, he usually has a pretty solid idea of how to use his powers - and those who don't (IME) tend to take a Disad which they later buy off.I hear what you are saying and agree. I think my approach to the last couple games I've run has given me a different perspective. In both the games, the PCs started out not knowing their powers and had to learn them going forward. I think a really good role-player could also pull it off where they have an idea of where they want to go with their character, but start with just a basic use of combat and the use of their powers, and as the game progresses plays it the way they want to be. IMO.

Nonetheless, I think your writeups to date have been really great! I love how you handled Edna! Excellent!

zornwil

Dec 27th, '04, 12:10 AM

I hear what you are saying and agree. I think my approach to the last couple games I've run has given me a different perspective. In both the games, the PCs started out not knowing their powers and had to learn them going forward. I think a really good role-player could also pull it off where they have an idea of where they want to go with their character, but start with just a basic use of combat and the use of their powers, and as the game progresses plays it the way they want to be. IMO.

Nonetheless, I think your writeups to date have been really great! I love how you handled Edna! Excellent!
Thanks very much for the praise!

As to the comment about your last games, I've always wanted to do that but...haven't. I've always thought that would be fun, thanks for bringing it up and the input.

PS - very glad you liked Edna, actually, she's a real labor of love, like most people I was deeply impressed with her character. In the end, despite an earlier answer in a poll, Mr. Incredible is my "favorite" as he really is the closest to me and I suspect many people react almost on a demographic basis to the characters as they are so well-written and true-to-life. I was really taken with Mr. Incredible's quote "I was so obsessed with under-valuing myself I under-valued all of you," which hits too close to home.

CrosshairCollie

Dec 27th, '04, 11:41 AM

Here's Elasti-Girl v2, I added Offensive Ranged Disarm, and tweaked her CON and resulting scores a bit as previously discussed.

Incoming rules lawyer. :)

Stretching is always considered to be Hand-to-Hand combat, not Ranged; she shouldn't use the Ranged Martial Arts with her stretching, just the standard Martial Disarm.

(I'm assuming that you meant the Ranged Martial Arts with that ... if not, please slap me with a fish, then ignore me.)

But, if I haven't already, allow me to toss in my appreciation of your excellent work.

TheQuestionMan

Dec 27th, '04, 01:40 PM

Elastic Girl Stretch Powers - 40 Str TK, Fine Manipulation, Area Effect Radius, Selective, No Range or Limited Range equal to Stretching.

Cheers

QM

zornwil

Dec 27th, '04, 06:34 PM

Incoming rules lawyer. :)

Stretching is always considered to be Hand-to-Hand combat, not Ranged; she shouldn't use the Ranged Martial Arts with her stretching, just the standard Martial Disarm.

(I'm assuming that you meant the Ranged Martial Arts with that ... if not, please slap me with a fish, then ignore me.)

But, if I haven't already, allow me to toss in my appreciation of your excellent work.
Thanks, on both accounts! Good catch, will modify, that's just in time to modify before I send the "final" versions to Mike for Surbrook's Stuff.

Any other comments on Frozone or Edna or Syndrome before I finalize? Syndrome I'll fix the ZPE thing by making it on two wrist Foci and ensuring he can two-hand attack, I just haven't checked the rules thoroughly yet. I'm also going to give him a little Armor or something just as a general balance issue, and probably make him a good bit harder to hit (probably ensuring he has skills not to be surprised and all that, I have to review) as you'll note that while the Omnidroid hit him little else does - in fact Mr. Incredible misses with a tree despite his obviously high OCV otherwise in the movie! Of course what makes this harder is that there's a lot of plot device stuff involved.

Possibly Syndrome should just be faster? That gives him aborts and explains a lot - make him SPD 8 perhaps?? What do you guys think?

zornwil

Dec 27th, '04, 06:35 PM

Elastic Girl Stretch Powers - 40 Str TK, Fine Manipulation, Area Effect Radius, Selective, No Range or Limited Range equal to Stretching.

Cheers

QM
Curious why you feel this needs to be done instead of Stretching?

zornwil

Dec 27th, '04, 06:42 PM

The change to Elasti-girl as Crosshair Collie noted has been made and the Elasti-girl v2 post (above) has been updated.

RPMiller

Dec 28th, '04, 08:26 AM

Zornwil, when you are finished with all the final revisions could you post a zip file with all the final hdc's in it?

Moody Loner

Dec 28th, '04, 08:32 AM

Please?

OddHat

Dec 28th, '04, 08:44 AM

Any other comments on Frozone or Edna or Syndrome before I finalize?

While I love Edna, and your write up is excellent, I personally wouldn't use the transformation attack. Instead, I'd use a massive science and knowledge skill list, and maybe a gadget pool that only gets changed in the lab. She'd use the gadget pool to build the special costumes, hand them over, and the Supers involved would pay points to keep them. If she were a PC, her house would be worth a bare minimum of 350 points, making it a 70 point perk for her. Access is only for bases, unless I'm misremembering the power description; if she wants access to Superheroes, that's a contact.

As always, IMO only. :)

Possibly Syndrome should just be faster? That gives him aborts and explains a lot - make him SPD 8 perhaps?? What do you guys think?

The little bugger should have at least a one or two point speed advantage on the incredibles, and lightning reflexes or extra DEX through gadgets; he's always getting the drop on them.

Brandi

Dec 28th, '04, 09:39 AM

Kristopher

Dec 28th, '04, 09:59 AM

OddHat

Dec 28th, '04, 10:15 AM

IMO, it's better to resist the trend to make everything into a Power.

Edna should (again IMO) have no Powers, just scads of Skills, some Skill Levels, and maybe a Talent if appropriate. Nothing she does in the movie requires a Power to pull off.

Agreed. She has KS and SS, and high but human level stats and good skill rolls. She's also Perk intensive.

RPMiller

Dec 28th, '04, 10:41 AM

It could be argued that she is really a plot device of the GM's to allow the characters to rationalize the costumes that they wear.

I have a similar "costume wizard" in my campaign that I have never written up. The players just go to him and say they would like yadda yadda, and he creates the costume for them and they pay the points to have the new "features". If it just a new look with the same "features", it is simply a roleplaying exercise.

I never really saw the need to write up every single NPC or device or car with stats, unless those stats were going to be very important to the game, and have never had any complaints from my players. Supervillains; stats yes. Local librarian; stats no. Super death ray; stats yes. Magic portal to "other dimension"; stats no (assuming that it is an adventure plot device). YMMV.

OddHat

Dec 28th, '04, 10:45 AM

RPMiller

Dec 28th, '04, 10:58 AM

Agreed. :) I would only let the best role player play her though. She deserves that much. :lol:

zornwil

Dec 28th, '04, 07:11 PM

Zornwil, when you are finished with all the final revisions could you post a zip file with all the final hdc's in it?
Sure, no problem. What I'll actually end up doing is taking the files off of this site, putting it all on my website, and linking to there. In that process I will put a zip file up per your request. Won't be too long at this point as a lot of good feedback is coming in, I just need to wrap up Syndrome, react to other suggestions if appropriate, and do Mirage (mmm, well, I'd like to do Mirage but that's another story, ahem, write up Mirage).

zornwil

Dec 28th, '04, 07:13 PM

While I love Edna, and your write up is excellent, I personally wouldn't use the transformation attack. Instead, I'd use a massive science and knowledge skill list, and maybe a gadget pool that only gets changed in the lab. She'd use the gadget pool to build the special costumes, hand them over, and the Supers involved would pay points to keep them. If she were a PC, her house would be worth a bare minimum of 350 points, making it a 70 point perk for her. Access is only for bases, unless I'm misremembering the power description; if she wants access to Superheroes, that's a contact.

As always, IMO only. :)

The little bugger should have at least a one or two point speed advantage on the incredibles, and lightning reflexes or extra DEX through gadgets; he's always getting the drop on them.
Thanks. I almost went with a VPP but I got carried away and did the Transformation - don't forget she also has Base points so she can do other stuff in that, though arguably none of that could leave the base of course. I dunno, I'm inclined to stay with the Transformation "just because"! "I got so excited, I had to continue!"

Re the Access, just missed that, will correct, thank you, and for the confirmation and suggestions re Syndrome as well, Lightning Reflexes definitely makes sense.

zornwil

Dec 28th, '04, 07:16 PM

Hmm... I still think it'd be funny to give Edna some kind of power based on her ability to completely overwhelm people by sheer force of personality (it need not be the one I thought of in the other thread on her). I also began to think, later on, that her ability to assess supers' abilities might transcend the Analyze skill (which is meant more for in-combat analysis) and actually be something along the lines of Detect Superpowers as a Sense, Ranged and Discrimnatory (which is either 17 or 22 points depending on how big a group you decide Superpowers is; I was looking at the Detect Magic example in FREd).
I'm not so sure about Detect. I think selecting Jack Jack's suit to go against fire (whoops that reminds me, I still have to write him up, though that's not going to be very meaningful) was foreshadowing, and otherwise I tend to think that she's just going on experience and biochemistry and biophysics (I need to change physics to biophysics really) knowledge, plus what she knows about the supers as it's not hard to figure out from there. IMHO, no disrespect to your take on it.

While I like the idea of her overwhelming people as you suggest, I don't get the sense that she goes beyond what I'd consider excellent Persuasion in games, we didn't get to see her convince someone of something they wouldn't do, again IMHO. Just giving you my perspective, not trying to dissuade you.

The world's big enough for more than one write-up of Edna. ;)

zornwil

Dec 28th, '04, 07:18 PM

Also a good point. :) I don't stat out everything either, and I doubt that many GMs do. Still, it's sometimes fun to give it a shot, and there's always a chance that a player will sit down and want to run Edna. ;)
Yeah, I don't stat up almost any of my NPCs with as much detail as these. That's a big reason I'm nervous about doing character write-ups for all to see, I just don't do the kind of detailed, excellent work I see others such as you and Enforcer84 and Lightray and Worldmaker and so on do.

OddHat

Dec 28th, '04, 07:35 PM

Yeah, I don't stat up almost any of my NPCs with as much detail as these. That's a big reason I'm nervous about doing character write-ups for all to see, I just don't do the kind of detailed, excellent work I see others such as you and Enforcer84 and Lightray and Worldmaker and so on do.

Um...while I appreciate the compliment, I think your work on the Incredibles has been top rate, and I've enjoyed all of the campaign materials you've been willing to share. As to my own NPCs, I do detailed write-ups of heroes and villains, and short write ups of anyone that the characters will be interacting with regularly, but unless the character is going to be played or used in combat I don't worry too much about stats. For me, the back story and personality profile are the most important parts of the character. The stats I can do in ten minutes or less, and the players will never know; the stories are the hard part.

zornwil

Dec 28th, '04, 08:32 PM

Um...while I appreciate the compliment, I think your work on the Incredibles has been top rate, and I've enjoyed all of the campaign materials you've been willing to share. As to my own NPCs, I do detailed write-ups of heroes and villains, and short write ups of anyone that the characters will be interacting with regularly, but unless the character is going to be played or used in combat I don't worry too much about stats. For me, the back story and personality profile are the most important parts of the character. The stats I can do in ten minutes or less, and the players will never know; the stories are the hard part.
Thanks, I appreciate the response I wasn't really trying to be self-effacing, btw, I just literally don't go to that effort re writing characters for others to use to the extent you and others have, so just from lack of doing it as well as noting how well many of you have actually done it I can say "... I don't do the kind of detailed, excellent work..." As to campaign material, I, without hubris I think, can say I am confident that my work stands up and I don't feel nervous or lack confidence on posting it.

Actually I'm glad nobody else wrote up the Incredibles first, it gave me the incentive to really sit down and write them up properly, an excellent exercise.

I think this is dead on, "The stats I can do in ten minutes or less, and the players will never know; the stories are the hard part." But the thing that you and others have done with character write-ups for the board is written up powers and such attentively so that they really can be used by someone, as well as given lots of great background (story) info.

rayoman

Dec 28th, '04, 09:12 PM

I don't know if this has been pointed out but Elastic Girl's Desolidification doesn't protect her from damage, right? It is only used for her to slide under doors or through air vents and such.

zornwil

Dec 28th, '04, 09:21 PM

I don't know if this has been pointed out but Elastic Girl's Desolidification doesn't protect her from damage, right? It is only used for her to slide under doors or through air vents and such.
Correct. I think the Lim for "only through cracks" or whatever negates the other Desol aspects, including damage.

White Heat

Jan 1st, '05, 11:59 AM

I think this was a really cool exercise. When Kly runs for us, he usually creates our characters for us, based on what we tell him we want them to be able to do. From this (lack of) experience, most of us (I exclude DocMan, who creates his own characters and brings them to Kly for GM's approval) have no clue about the work involved in statting up a character, and some of us have difficulty reading our own character sheets. What makes this excercise so cool for me is that, for approximately the first time, I read someone else's character sheet, and understood what they were talking about. This is no small feat.

Thank you, Zornwill. I appreciate this very much. Maybe I can consider running Champions now, and giving Kly a break -- even if that does mean he'll have to help me run combat for a while. I hate running combat. That's the main reason that I only run White Wolf games -- I make a great storyteller. :)

zornwil

Jan 2nd, '05, 12:15 AM

Thanks a lot White Heat, that's very nice to hear. Good luck, there's a lot of people here who can certainly help you if you pick up running Champions!

rayoman

Jan 2nd, '05, 11:11 AM

Correct. I think the Lim for "only through cracks" or whatever negates the other Desol aspects, including damage.

Oh, I actually didn't see that LIM when I wrote the post above.

bblackmoor

Jan 2nd, '05, 11:17 AM

She's also Perk intensive.

Good phrase. :)

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 12:47 AM

Finally saw the movie Sunday, so I can read these threads now :) .

Nice writeups, my only real comment is that I would have called Mr Incredible's extra STR either Limited Conscious Control or No Conscious Control. He seems to have a bit of a problem controlling his super-strength when he's ticked off (see the fingerprints in the car roof), and of course when he thinks his family is dead and goes Enraged ....
Since he has a general -1 on the "limited power" aspect and since that's fudgey and plot-devicey and very GM discretion but with a liberal tint, I just wrote in the "limited conscious control" into the Limited Power lim, just FYI.

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 12:55 AM

Okay, I'm wrapping up the final touches on the ones posted above, will do Jack Jack and Mirage, complete a template export (it's 90% done, as evidenced in the Hero Designer forum) so it can be easily sent to Surbrook's Stuff, and post all here. That should truly happen tomorrow, as I'm now just about done with the final touches. I crashed early tonight as I'm adjusting back to work schedule.

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:47 PM

Okay, I have added Jack Jack and Mirage to the collection. I am going to go back and delete the HDC files from this thread because below, at least shortly depending on when you're reading this, you will find ALL of the current characters linked from my website. If you want to download the HDCs, go to http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/ and there's a ZIP file that has everything (to get it directly, it's at http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Incredibles.zip). Or you can download individual files from that page.

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:49 PM

Mr. Incredible

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Mr.%20Incredible%20(Robert%20Parr).HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:49 PM

Elasti-Girl

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Elasti-Girl%20(Helen%20Parr).HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:50 PM

Violet

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Violet%20Parr.HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:50 PM

Dash

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Dash%20(Dashiell%20Parr).HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:51 PM

********NEW********

Jack Jack

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Jack%20Jack%20Parr.HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:52 PM

Frozone

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Frozone%20(Lucius%20Best).HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:52 PM

Edna Mode

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Edna%20Mode.HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:53 PM

Syndrome, updated. Gave him a ton of Combat Luck (should simulate his defenses well), rapid strike capabilities, higher SPD (given he gets the drop when he's active), and made the ZPE 2-hex area.

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Syndrome%20(Buddy%20Pine).HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:54 PM

******NEW****** - Mirage, built her on 75+75 given the type she seems.

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/Mirage.HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:55 PM

Omnidroid

<iframe src="http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/OmniDroid.HTML" width="100%" height="600"></iframe>

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 08:58 PM

The earlier HDCs are deleted. Please note, again, that if you go to http://www.realschluss.org/Incredibles/, there is a zip file there for all the above characters in HDC format.

WHEW - and that is it! Thanks much for all the feedback, throughout, the support, and all the rep for this project, as well!

Skaramine

Jan 5th, '05, 09:02 PM

AWESOME character sheets. :D

Skaramine

Jan 5th, '05, 09:35 PM

Hm, I'll have to download those one at a time from your site.

Skaramine

Jan 5th, '05, 09:41 PM

Yup. One at a time, they're fine. The zip, though, confused my Winzip.

Hyper-Man

Jan 5th, '05, 09:56 PM

Very cool.

The Omnidroid looks awfully tough. Am I reading it correctly to say that it can attack with a 29d6 punch when combining STR with HA attack?

HM

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 10:50 PM

Yup. One at a time, they're fine. The zip, though, confused my Winzip.
Huh, that's weird, I tested it out, not sure what's the issue, sorry. Thx for the comment.

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 11:13 PM

Very cool.

The Omnidroid looks awfully tough. Am I reading it correctly to say that it can attack with a 29d6 punch when combining STR with HA attack?

HM
Oh, sure, you couldn't catch that earlier... :D

I'll have to modify that, I didn't correct for the additive effect, I think that was due to the fact that the HKA showed the total dice but this didn't so I didn't think about it, just treated the 15d6 as the total.

But I just realized that's not quite so easy to fix - how do you apply Standard Effect to a base characteristic? I don't want to sell all the STR back and then have to buy a Multipower...though maybe that's the best solution, actually (an MP with HKA, HA, and STR).

RPMiller

Jan 5th, '05, 11:30 PM

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 11:35 PM

Never mind, I just made a note using a Naked Modifier (but with no value) indicating to use Standard Effect when using STR, bumped STR to 75.

zornwil

Jan 5th, '05, 11:42 PM

I can't give you any rep right now, but remind me if I don't! :D

I loved all the writeups and I appreciate the zip. It worked fine for me, and I'm glad you included the pics also.

Great work Zorn! Thanks again! :D
Thanks, and sorry but will have two small changes. First one's done for the Omnidroid...

Nobody caught the Jack Jack typo...but that's fixed now.

Okay, now uploaded! Let's hope that's it!

WhammeWhamme

Jan 6th, '05, 02:19 AM

Thanks, and sorry but will have two small changes. First one's done for the Omnidroid...

Nobody caught the Jack Jack typo...but that's fixed now.

Okay, now uploaded! Let's hope that's it!

Oh, I saw the typo... but I was distracted by... ooh, shiny.

I figured it would be a good smirk moment if no one else caught it in the next day or two. :D

Brandi

Jan 6th, '05, 05:40 PM

Er... why'd you describe Mr. Incredible's hair as "Blond (dyed)"? I thought it was just thinning, not actually greying or anything.

nexus

Jan 6th, '05, 05:46 PM

Er... why'd you describe Mr. Incredible's hair as "Blond (dyed)"? I thought it was just thinning, not actually greying or anything.

Zornwil has seem him in the showers and the rug doesn't make the drapes, if ya know what I mean. :D

zornwil

Jan 6th, '05, 05:46 PM

Er... why'd you describe Mr. Incredible's hair as "Blond (dyed)"? I thought it was just thinning, not actually greying or anything.
In the movie we are led to believe he dyed it to keep it as it was in his younger days when Elasti-girl is upset and talking to Edna and she includes on the list of behavioral changes "the blonde hair". I infer that his hair was going grey or such and he, as had become more popular with guys back when the movie was actually written, had dyed it blonde. I don't recall the exact quote but having watched it 7 times I feel reasonably comfortable that it's deliberately implied.

zornwil

Jan 6th, '05, 05:47 PM

Zornwil has seem him in the showers and the rug doesn't make the drapes, if ya know what I mean. :D
Shhhhhhhh, you promised not to tell

SirViss

Jan 6th, '05, 08:37 PM

I think the "blond hair" referred by Elasti-Girl is a hair she found on one of his suits, or some situation like that...

Of course I only saw the movie once... :D

zornwil

Jan 6th, '05, 11:52 PM

I think the "blond hair" referred by Elasti-Girl is a hair she found on one of his suits, or some situation like that...

Of course I only saw the movie once... :D
Ohhhh, you know, I bet you're right, I just think of Mirage's hair as "white".

Ah well, I've done enough editing, so I'll just stand by my other version... :whistle:

Actually, while I think you're right, I'll have to pay attention next time to the context for certainty, but yeah.

CDad

Mar 24th, '05, 08:46 PM

A few Incredibles Mods...

http://www.geocities.com/huskerfan98765/Incredibles.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/huskerfan98765/ElastiGirl.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/huskerfan98765/MrIncredible.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/huskerfan98765/Dash.JPG

Need to redo ElastiGirl and Violet's heads... then time for Frozone, Mirage, E, and Syndrome.

The Omnidroid will be a treat!

Hyper-Man

Mar 24th, '05, 09:03 PM

Dr. Anomaly

Mar 24th, '05, 09:04 PM

Those are cool.

Started me thinking though. (scary!)

Mr. Incredible is the Anti-Freaktm
Heck, Warner Brothers could probably sue Disney!
That head's from a Batman Animated Series Creeper, isn't it?

Hyper-Man

Mar 24th, '05, 09:14 PM

That head's from a Batman Animated Series Creeper, isn't it?

Probably, the pic is one I found on a google search for freakazoid a while back.

HM