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Killer Shrike

Apr 19th, '03, 02:17 AM

Hey, I hope this isnt over the line, but I wasnt too happy w/ the write up on GROND in CKC. I prefer him as more of a HULK level monstrosity that takes the whole group to stop, and maybe then some.

So I took the liberty of altering him and here is the result:

Grond

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">100/175  </td><td>STR</td><td>90</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>DEX</td><td>24</td></tr><tr><td align="right">50  </td><td>CON</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>BODY</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">5  </td><td>INT</td><td>-5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>EGO</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>PRE</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>COM</td><td>-2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">42  </td><td>PD</td><td>22</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>ED</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4  </td><td>SPD</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">100  </td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">105  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30"/45"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 301

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">22  </td><td>Horns: Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 1d6 (plus STR) (vs. PD), Armor Piercing (+1/2) (22 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">35  </td><td>Super-Tough Skin: Damage Resistance (40 PD/30 ED) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Super-Tough Skin: Lack Of Weakness (-10) for Normal Defense </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4  </td><td>Super-Strong Lungs: Life Support (Extended Breathing (1 END per 20 minutes)) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Super-Strong Legs: Leaping +10" (30"/45" forward, 15"/22 1/2" upward) </td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Super-Strong Swimmer: Swimming +10" (12" total) </td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">6  </td><td>Four Arms: Extra Limbs , Inherent (+1/4) (6 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">20  </td><td>Punching: Naked Modifier, Autofire (3 shots; +1/4) (20 Active Points)  {Usable with up to 55 STR}</td><td valign="top" align="right">2</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">37  </td><td>Strongest One there IS!: +50 STR, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (75 Active Points); No Figured Characteristics (-1/2), Only When Enraged (Power loses about a third of its effectiveness; -1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Grond-power: +25 STR (25 Active Points); Increased Endurance Cost (3x END; -1), No Figured Characteristics (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">6</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">50  </td><td>+0 STR, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (50 Active Points) (Modifiers affect Base Characteristic) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 214

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>+5 with HTH Combat </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>+3 with HTH Combat (15 Active Points); Only When Enraged (Power loses about a third of its effectiveness; -1/2) </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 35

Total Character Cost: 550

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Distinctive Features: big, ugly, mutated green body Not Concealable, Extreme Reaction, Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">35  </td><td>Enraged: when realizes he's been tricked, or thinks he's been tricked Common, go 11-, recover 8-, Berserk </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Enraged: when thwarted (Uncommon), go 8-, recover 8-, Berserk </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Hunted: Champions 8- (Occasionally), As Powerful, Harshly Punish, Extensive Non-Combat Influence, PC has a Public ID or is otherwise very easy to find </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Hunted: UNTIL 8- (Occasionally), As Powerful, Harshly Punish, Extensive Non-Combat Influence, PC has a Public ID or is otherwise very easy to find </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Physical Limitation: Big and Heavy (-2 DCV, +2 PER Rolls against) Infrequently, Slightly Impairing </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Childishly Naive And Prone To Tantrums Very Common, Total </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Hatred Of Fire Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Reputation: dangerous and destructive out of control monster Almost Always (14-), Extreme </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Social Limitation: Public Id (Sidney Potter) Occasionally (8-), Minor </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Unluck: +2d6 </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Vulnerability: 2x STUN Ego Attacks Common </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Vulnerability: 2x STUN Fire Attacks Common </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 245

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 105
Total Experience Available: 130
Experience Unspent: 25

Lord Liaden

Apr 19th, '03, 01:15 PM

I've modified Grond myself to make him more Hulk-level, since that seems to be the role he fulfills in the Champions Universe. I do notice, though, that your "strongest one there is" Strength addition is an on-off arrangement; it kicks in at full force as soon as Grond goes Enraged. That isn't really the Hulk model, as his strength grows over time the madder he gets. It also wouldn't be as interesting a challenge for the PCs - if they're not able to take Grond down almost immediately before he blows his top, he'll probably feed them their shoes. So encounters with Grond are likely to be either very short or very messy, not much fun for the players either way.

The course that I chose was to use a Continuous Uncontrolled Aid, Triggered when Grond goes Enraged, with increased fade rate and the maximum bought up to the level I wanted his peak Characteristics to be. I bought it to apply simultaneously to Strength, Constitution (to make Grond harder to stun), Recovery and Stun (to bring him back quickly from expending Endurance and taking damage). This gave the PCs more time to beat Grond before he reached peak levels, all the time realizing that the clock was ticking. You can adjust the size of the Aid to reflect how long you want it to take for Grond to hit his max - that will affect the magnitude of the challenge that Grond will present.

Killer Shrike

Apr 19th, '03, 01:47 PM

Sound cool. Could you post the character write up?

If it comes with a HD file attached Ill be even happier ;)

Lord Liaden

Apr 19th, '03, 04:10 PM

Sorry I can't accomodate you right away, K.S. Not only have I not yet updated my old Grond to 5E, I don't own Hero Designer. Actually, I'm one of those pencil-and-paper dinosaurs. :o I'll see if I can put together something postable, though.

Killer Shrike

Apr 19th, '03, 05:36 PM

Thats unfortunate. I highly recommend HD by the way; its not as customizable as I wish it would be (Hero Creator spoiled me in that regard), but its a solid app and the character sheets are gorgeous.

Gary

Apr 19th, '03, 06:33 PM

If you take X3 end on str, you can't take no figured characteristics as well. Page 92 of rulebook.

Killer Shrike

Apr 19th, '03, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Gary
If you take X3 end on str, you can't take no figured characteristics as well. Page 92 of rulebook.

Grunt. Ok, good catch....will amend.....