David Sutherland (Invictus's) Political Party

[Nadrakas]

Ok, for those who have Villainy Unbound, there is a former "Hero" named Invictus who became a Representative from Maryland. It doesn't mention what political party he's a part of, so I was wondering which one the various Hero GMs would make him and why. Would you make him a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other Political Party?

Here's a quick link (one of many) that gives info on some of the various political parties in America: http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

No real reason as to why I want to know :winkgrin:

Thanks...


Nadrakas...

[Agent X]

Ok, for those who have Villainy Unbound, there is a former "Hero" named Invictus who became a Representative from Maryland. It doesn't mention what political party he's a part of, so I was wondering which one the various Hero GMs would make him and why. Would you make him a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other Political Party?

Here's a quick link (one of many) that gives info on some of the various political parties in America: http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

No real reason as to why I want to know :winkgrin:

Thanks...


Nadrakas... Odds are he's a Democrat but that's not necessary. 6 of 8 Representatives are Democrats and both Senators are Democrats.

[csyphrett]

He is also in the back of Villiany Amok. I don't think that it mentions the party, just he took over from a guy, and is trying to be president.

I am sorry I have only skimmed the book so far, so I don't recall anything else. I believe the character was overhauled from the old version.
CES

[gojira]

I have Villainy Unbound, and no, it doesn't say. (I just re-read his entry.) I'd make him a Republican, and a far right one at that. He should be a neo-con, and a loony.

But it does say that he's a phony, and everything about him is phony. So making him a Democrat would be kinda surprising, especially perhaps to your players. I think his CIA job makes him more Republican sounding, but making him a moderate to right-leaning Dem would give him a lot of flexibility to take almost any stand on any issue.


Toss up, really. :D

[Enforcer84]

Well, he's corrupt to the bone, has a shady past of depravity, sounds like a politician, alright, particularly a fictional one. However, he also sounds like a Kennedy...I could see him in either party to be honest. At this point in the game he'd be a Republican simply because that's whose been winning; he want's power and they have it.

[assault]

Well, he sounds like a neo-con but he's a phony and a weasel...

I'd say he's a "moderate" (ie right wing) Democrat.

He'd jump ship if he felt the need, of course, but he might have a better chance to get the Democratic presidential nomination.

Making him a Republican is too obvious. :)

[CrosshairCollie]

To be honest, I'd make him an independent, just to avoid ruffling any political feathers amongst the players, even though the RL odds of an independent winning political office of any sort are apparently astronomical.

Now, if Foxbat ever runs for President, he'll have to run under the Silly party.

[Worldmaker]

Well, he's evil. He wants to take over and reshape society to fit his personal view of how the world works. And he's ruthless about it.

All the earmarks of the current Republican party.

[assault]

Well, he's evil. He wants to take over and reshape society to fit his personal view of how the world works. And he's ruthless about it.

All the earmarks of the current Republican party.

But he <i>pretends</i> he doesn't want to do these things. Hence he's a Democrat. ;)

[fbdaury]

Well, he's evil. He wants to take over and reshape society to fit his personal view of how the world works. And he's ruthless about it.

All the earmarks of the current Republican party.

Now Now Jack, aren't you supposed to be avoiding political discussions? :lol:

[Trebuchet]

Well, he's evil. He wants to take over and reshape society to fit his personal view of how the world works. And he's ruthless about it.

All the earmarks of the current Democratic party.


Gee, it sounds just as stupid this way too... :rolleyes:

[Agent X]

What are the politics like in Maryland? Which district would he come out of? I don't have Villainy Amok but the old Invictus appeared to be very involved in the Department of Defense. What districts does that suggest Invictus is likely to come out of. If those districts have a Democratic bent and you want him to be Republican, how did he win the district. How "safe" is the district? If it's a "safe" district for Democrats it's hard to explain why he won it. Of course, your Maryland could be very, very different from the real one but what's the fun in that? :bounce:

[C--]

If it's Maryland, he's a democrat or a very liberal republican. I used to live in Maryland. Right-wing doesn't get elected there.

[Susano]

Maryland is overwhelming Democrat, with a Republican governor (the first in over... XXX years). He should come out of Montgomery County, which is crammed with money, and a great place for power seekers. Make him a Democrat in name only.

[Battlestaff]

Make him a Democrat in name only.
Ah, the Zell Miller approach.

[Susano]

Ah, the Zell Miller approach.

Basically.

Looking at a map of Maryland, he should come out of either: Fredrick, Howard, or Montgomery MD. The rest are too rural and/or poor (for the most part) to fit his image (although he could be an up-an-comer out the Eastern Shore). And by poor, I mean relative to the three I mentioned. Also, Montgomery is right there on the Beltway next to Washington DC and is a natural for making on a DC insider on the way up.

I forget, what's his politics like?

[Nadrakas]

...the old Invictus appeared to be very involved in the Department of Defense.

Forgive this side Q, but which book was the "Old Invictus" in? I have nearly every older Hero book, but I'm not sure which one to start with.

Thanks Agent X (Or anyone else who answers this).

Now...please continue the discorse. It's very...enjoyable. :eg:

Nadrakas

[Black Ops]

Has anybody an Idea who the Crimelords (pg.142 Legion of Venegance)are ?
My Guess is Republican.

[Agent X]

Forgive this side Q, but which book was the "Old Invictus" in? I have nearly every older Hero book, but I'm not sure which one to start with.

Thanks Agent X (Or anyone else who answers this).

Now...please continue the discorse. It's very...enjoyable. :eg:

Nadrakas I'll try to dig it up out of my garage.

[Black Ops]

Has anybody an Idea who the Crimelords (pg.142 Legion of Venegance)are ?
My Guess is Republican.

Cancel the Crimelords Question I found it.

[OddHat]

Invictus was a long running character in my longest running campaign (that campaign lasted 13 years). I started him out as a Democrat (and a Kennedy), had a scandal (unproven murder and underworld connections) ruin his political career, brought him back as the head of Project: New Hope (think Suicide Squad), and eventually (through the player's machinations) had him assigned as the head of the World Science Directorate: Antartica.

My wife's favorite bad guy. :)

[fbdaury]

Forgive this side Q, but which book was the "Old Invictus" in? I have nearly every older Hero book, but I'm not sure which one to start with.

Thanks Agent X (Or anyone else who answers this).

Now...please continue the discorse. It's very...enjoyable. :eg:

Nadrakas

The original of him was in Villany Unbound, while he was updated in Villainy Amok.

[Enforcer84]

In the future he'll be in Villany Undone.

[CBikle]

I think Invictus is more of an independant politician (probably a more centrist hybrid of the Reform party and the Libertarian party) entering into politics as more of an an outsider(non-career politician) and cherry-picking the best political issues to get him elected..

[Nadrakas]

The original of him was in Villany Unbound, while he was updated in Villainy Amok.

Thank you very much fbdaury!!!


Nadrakas...

[Nadrakas]

Please continue the discorse on which party Invictus is, but I would also like to ask another question.

Villiany Amok say that he is a Representative from Maryland. Now Invictus wants power...and there are 440 House members compared to 100 Senators. Would it make more sense that he is a Senator as opposed to a member of the House? Both portions of congress wield a great amount of influence, but Senators seem to have more of a public persona...and there's only 100 of them for all of their committees (20 in both the House & Senate, plus 4 "joint" committee's between the two sides).

So, the Q's so far are:

1) Which political party does Invictus belong to? And...why?

2) Would you keep Invictus a Representative like it says in VA or would you make him a Senator?


Nadrakas...

> Veni, vidi, vici

> Summum ius summa iniuria

[OddHat]

I ran him as a representative trying to gain a cabinet level position as the head of the DMA (Department of Metahuman Affairs), and as part of Primus' budget oversight committee.

The House has more members, but the committee system means that there's actually a lot of power to go around.

[CBikle]

Historically, senators don't do well in Presidential elections. I guess that's because the senator position is a little more high-profile and your voting record seems to get a lot of scrutiny.

I think Invictus would go the less-visible Congress-route and try to play up the whole "Washington outsider" angle.

[Agent X]

Historically, senators don't do well in Presidential elections. I guess that's because the senator position is a little more high-profile and your voting record seems to get a lot of scrutiny.

I think Invictus would go the less-visible Congress-route and try to play up the whole "Washington outsider" angle. Representatives do worse than Senators. Vice-President or Governor seem to be the way to win.

[C--]

Representative positions are traditionally easier to get. The power structure there is less defined (i.e., it's easier for a young go-getter to rise up and get noticed). It's easier to stick around in the Senate forever, but the House has more opportunities for a proactive individual. His plan should be 1) get national recognition as an up-and-comer, 2) get involved with some legislation that benefits Maryland in some way (or is very popular in Maryland), 3) orchestrate some sort of bad publicity event for the current Maryland governor, 4) get elected as governor of Maryland, 5) get selected as a Vice-Presidential nominee after 4 years of office.

From there it's only a single bullet from the Oval Office.

[gojira]

From there it's only a single bullet from the Oval Office.
Oooo... nasty. I like it. Repped. :D

[Iuz the Evil]

Ah, the Zell Miller approach.

"You have offended me sir! Ah challenge you to a duel!" :whistle:

[hooligan x]

Ah, the Zell Miller approach.

In the old Elm City, we call them guys Lieberman Democrats. Man, that guy sucks. And he lives in my neighborhood. Crap hound.

[CrosshairCollie]

In the future he'll be in Villany Undone.

But hopefully, NOT in Villainy Undressed.

[Enforcer84]

But hopefully, NOT in Villainy Undressed.
That was much better than mine!

[FenrisUlf]

While we're talking American political supervillains, what party would Geoffrey Haganstone/Holocaust belong to?

And as far as Invictus, I see him as making his own political party, using the media to hype his heroics (real and false) to the moon, and then arranging a horrendous scandal that tars both the Big 2 so badly that when he makes his run for supreme power, no one would even consider voting for a 'mainstream' candidate.

[Watchdog]

While we're talking American political supervillains, what party would Geoffrey Haganstone/Holocaust belong to?



PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (choose one)

01 Andrew Haganstone, Republican
02 Scott Summers, Democrat


"I sympathize with those who are disenchanted by the lack of real choice in American politics. When both candidates are mutants who release beams of energy from their eyes, how can a voter truly make a difference?" asked Beast.

"By voting for the one who's not a pussy." muttered Logan as he punched the hole next to Haganstone's name...

[FenrisUlf]

Hah!