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Theron
Jun 27th, '05, 07:17 PM
It's Pulp-Tastic! (http://www.kingkongmovie.com/ef239524432ba87f1ca8f70eed4b1fa7/en_splash.html)

Tim
Jun 28th, '05, 12:23 AM
Uhhhhh.......... :jawdrop:







Have the trailer on loop at the hero Games booth beside the stack of Pulp Hero books.

Steve Long
Jun 28th, '05, 05:16 AM
Looks pretty damn good on spec, but until I see it and like it I will assume Jackson's going to screw it up. I have my reputation to maintain, after all. ;)

Theron
Jun 28th, '05, 06:32 AM
Looks pretty damn good on spec, but until I see it and like it I will assume Jackson's going to screw it up. I have my reputation to maintain, after all. ;)

What is it about Tolkien fans from Greensboro? One of my dearest friends lives there and one of the few things that can work her into a livid frothing fury is mentioning the film trilogy.

Anyway, I have faith.

Steve Long
Jun 28th, '05, 07:12 AM
She sounds like a woman of taste and intelligence. ;)

I had faith, but I gave it up for Lent. :angel:

susandwyer
Jun 28th, '05, 07:43 AM
I clicked on this as a second pass through posts. Waste of time. Looked at the small trailer so I wouldn't have to wait...
:eek:
I actually looks good! Really good! WTF?

keithcurtis
Jun 28th, '05, 10:15 AM
I actually looks good!
I've always thought so.

Keith ";)" Curtis

BigJackBrass
Jun 28th, '05, 01:22 PM
Good heavens, was that Jack Black? Straight acting?

With typical smooth timing, after I'd spent half an hour downloading the smallest version of the trailer, my girlfriend came home, flicked the telly on and they were showing the whole blasted thing. Much more impressive when it's larger than postage stamp size.

Have to say, I wasn't too bothered about this one (dark memories of going to the pictures to see the De Laurentis version have scarred me) but the trailer has actually sparked my interest. Pulp lives!

Lethosos
Jun 29th, '05, 10:30 AM
... One of the things that went through my mind when I saw this was:

"Mighty Joe Young!"

:lol:

austenandrews
Jun 29th, '05, 11:57 AM
Had I seen it without knowing it was about a Kong remake, I probably would have geeked out of my skull. It looks like a serious hoot. Since I knew what it was going to be, my doubts about Jack Black resurfaced. I'll give the guy every chance, though.

Michael Hopcroft
Jun 29th, '05, 01:11 PM
One of Roger Ebert's bugaboos about things like the Godzilla movies was "size constancy". Once you have established the size of a creature, it should not change unless there is a story reason for it to grow or shrink.

Since we only got about threre shots of Kong, is it just me or did he appear to be three different sizes?

austenandrews
Jun 29th, '05, 01:23 PM
I saw no obvious size problems.

Susano
Jun 29th, '05, 02:18 PM
Looks cool to me.

Tim
Jun 29th, '05, 02:21 PM
And it looks like you get to see a great KK vs. Tyranasour fight this time.

austenandrews
Jun 29th, '05, 02:25 PM
Just like the original!

CSgeekHero
Jun 29th, '05, 03:40 PM
One of Roger Ebert's bugaboos about things like the Godzilla movies was "size constancy". Once you have established the size of a creature, it should not change unless there is a story reason for it to grow or shrink.

Since we only got about threre shots of Kong, is it just me or did he appear to be three different sizes?

No, I think it had to do with the context. I thought he looked kinda small when he jumps down to fight the Tyrannosaurus, but it is because he is fighting a Tyrannosaurus. In the city, he looks larger because the objects around him are built for us i.e. the cars and lightpoles.

I find I must agree with the other posters...FREAKIN' AWESOME.

I know in the NGD I said Hollywood has run dry on originality. This doesn't change that idea because it is a remake. However, it is a well constructed remake.

Mentor
Jun 30th, '05, 07:39 AM
The feel of this trailer bodes well for the movie, IMHO.

Jack Black as the overbearing American filmaker is a wothy Pulp archtype in the making.

AmadanNaBriona
Jun 30th, '05, 07:51 AM
Just like the original!
Right down to the moss and vine covered natural bridge!
I just about swallowed my tounge when I saw it.

I have to admit misgivings when I first heard about it, but this ones gonna get me into the theaters... It looks like something I want to see on a big screen.

Woot

austenandrews
Jun 30th, '05, 08:55 AM
Oh heck yeah, I'm at the midnight show if they have one.

Curufea
Jun 30th, '05, 05:46 PM
Good heavens, was that Jack Black? Straight acting?


That's just what I said when I saw the trailer before the Spielburg version of War of the Worlds (which was actually much better than I expected).

My thoughts went the other way though - why remake King Kong? It's only a monster movie.

Michael Hopcroft
Jun 30th, '05, 06:45 PM
My thoughts went the other way though - why remake King Kong? It's only a monster movie.
To a film buff, that's like saying Romeo and Juliet is "only a teen revenge drama". King Kong is the monster movie. It is the gold standard against which all other gigantic beasties are measured.

Can you imagine Jack Black in the famous exchange:

Cop: "Well, looks like the airplanes got 'im."
Producer: "No, it was Beauty killed the Beast."

Curufea
Jun 30th, '05, 06:55 PM
It really comes down to - why remake a classic. It was a classic at the time, but remaking it just turns it into yet another monster movie.

Much like remakes of Nosferatu (or even remakes of Starwars ;-p)

Michael Hopcroft
Jun 30th, '05, 07:03 PM
It really comes down to - why remake a classic. It was a classic at the time, but remaking it just turns it into yet another monster movie.

Much like remakes of Nosferatu (or even remakes of Starwars ;-p)
Werner Herzog's Nosferatu the Vampyre did not survivie being dubbed very well. The German-langauge version is quite effective, with Klaus Kinski as a great vampire. And his fangs were in the most efficient place to suck blood....

The relationship between Herzog and Kinski could often be desribed as a cold war, punctuated by occasional thermonuclear exchanges, yet it produced such remarkable films as Aguierre, the Wrath of God and Fitzcarraldo. The speical madness of a man who would build an opera house in the heart of the Amazon jungle where nobody would be there to hear the performances describes both Herzog and Kinski quite well.

Susano
Jun 30th, '05, 07:30 PM
It really comes down to - why remake a classic. It was a classic at the time, but remaking it just turns it into yet another monster movie.

Jackson wanted to redo King Kong before he did LOTR. Dunno why.

Susano
Jun 30th, '05, 07:31 PM
Werner Herzog's Nosferatu the Vampyre did not survivie being dubbed very well. The German-langauge version is quite effective, with Klaus Kinski as a great vampire. And his fangs were in the most efficient place to suck blood.....

Which itself is a remake of the 1922 silent movie by the same name.

Theron
Jun 30th, '05, 08:40 PM
Jackson wanted to redo King Kong before he did LOTR. Dunno why.

It's his favorite film of all time. Seeing it is what made him want to make movies. He owns one of the original stop-motion Kong puppets as part of his personal collection of movie memorabilia (I think I read he acquired it after he made "The Frighteners").

Nadrakas
Jun 30th, '05, 09:41 PM
Looks cool. Hope the movie lives up to the trailer.

Now...if only they would come out with a "John Carter, Warlord of Mars" movie..."Sigh"...


Nadrakas...

Michael Hopcroft
Jun 30th, '05, 10:06 PM
Which itself is a remake of the 1922 silent movie by the same name.
Quite correct, Susano. Nosferatu and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari were the two films to come right out of post-World War I Germany that invented the horror film as we know it today. They were silent, which meant that there was no language barrier between these films and a worldwide audience.

Nosferatu was intended to be a near-straight adaptation of the Bram Stoker novel Dracula, but since nobody bothered to get the approval of Stoker's estate names and locations had to be changed. To this day the true identity of Max Schreck, the actor who play the vampire Count Orlock (sp?), is a mystery.

The other great horror film to come out of Wiemar Germany was The Golem, which had it not been distributed worldwide would porbably have been obliterated from cinema history by the onrushing Nazis. Fritz Lang also contributed a spectacular silent adaptation of Faust, telling the story of the legendary magician who sold his soul to Mephistopholes in exchange for power.

And thus the huge debt all film buffs owe the Weimar Republic.

Susano
Jul 1st, '05, 02:05 AM
Looks cool. Hope the movie lives up to the trailer.

Now...if only they would come out with a "John Carter, Warlord of Mars" movie..."Sigh"...


http://imdb.com/title/tt0401729/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1qb2huIGNhcnRlcnxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=32;ft=32 ;fm=1

Susano
Jul 1st, '05, 02:07 AM
Quite correct, Susano. Nosferatu and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari were the two films to come right out of post-World War I Germany that invented the horror film as we know it today. They were silent, which meant that there was no language barrier between these films and a worldwide audience.

Nosferatu was intended to be a near-straight adaptation of the Bram Stoker novel Dracula, but since nobody bothered to get the approval of Stoker's estate names and locations had to be changed. To this day the true identity of Max Schreck, the actor who play the vampire Count Orlock (sp?), is a mystery.


Not according to this article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrek

Nadrakas
Jul 1st, '05, 07:06 AM
http://imdb.com/title/tt0401729/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1qb2huIGNhcnRlcnxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=32;ft=32 ;fm=1
Thanks Susano.

As a kid I used to try to get to Mars...silly, but it would have been better than being where I was at the time. Lots of fond memories in those books & dreams.

I just hope the production doesn't get cut....and I hope it's actually good. Don't think I could take a bad adaptation.


Nadrakas....."Barsoom rules..."

Agent 13
Jul 1st, '05, 11:40 AM
To this day the true identity of Max Schreck, the actor who play the vampire Count Orlock (sp?), is a mystery.
You'd have thought that someone would have asked him when he filmed one of the 48 other films he's credited with, or perhaps during his long stage career.

Susano
Jul 1st, '05, 01:29 PM
Thanks Susano.

As a kid I used to try to get to Mars...silly, but it would have been better than being where I was at the time. Lots of fond memories in those books & dreams.

Don't worry, Carl Sagan states he stood out in a field many a night, trying to wish himself to Barsoom. ^_^

LadyChaos
Jul 1st, '05, 01:52 PM
One of Roger Ebert's bugaboos about things like the Godzilla movies was "size constancy". Once you have established the size of a creature, it should not change unless there is a story reason for it to grow or shrink.

Since we only got about threre shots of Kong, is it just me or did he appear to be three different sizes?

I didn't notice three, but when I saw Kong next to the car (in New York) I said to myself "He's too small. Looks like Mighty Joe Young." Then later they show him facing off a T Rex and he's huge.

Surely it can't be any worse than the 1980s remake. *shudder*

Fox1
Jul 1st, '05, 01:53 PM
It's his favorite film of all time. Seeing it is what made him want to make movies. He owns one of the original stop-motion Kong puppets as part of his personal collection of movie memorabilia (I think I read he acquired it after he made "The Frighteners").


I recall that he also stated that it needed to be remade because the kids of today are unwilling to view the original B&W version with the degree of awe that it should be viewed as, i.e. a wonderful story and movie is by-passed solely because of outdated special effects.

I'd like to say that's bull, but sadly I have personal experience of it being true. My kids automatically pass on anything in B&W- this despite my having shown them some stuff that they actually liked.

Sigh.

The trailer does look good. It's wowed everyone I've shown it to and most would have never given it a second thought normally.

Btw, I've had a bunch of people think the dinos were a new addition to the story (they weren't sci-fi fans, but did see the original). Memory is an odd thing, but the dino-ape fight is one of the things I always remembered about the original....

austenandrews
Jul 1st, '05, 02:57 PM
I recall that he also stated that it needed to be remade because the kids of today are unwilling to view the original B&W version with the degree of awe that it should be viewed as, i.e. a wonderful story and movie is by-passed solely because of outdated special effects.

I'd like to say that's bull, but sadly I have personal experience of it being true. My kids automatically pass on anything in B&W- this despite my having shown them some stuff that they actually liked.
As an old geek, I'm very pleased that my six-year-old is gaga over the old SF flicks that Turner Classic Movies showed during June. So far he's watched & loved The Thing From Another World, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Twenty Million Years To Earth, The Blob and several others. Until that last one he'd tell my three-year-old, "All alien movies are in black and white." :) I can't wait for the original Kong on DVD that's rumored for late this year. I think he'll dig it.

But I can certainly appreciate Jackson's sentiment. If Devlin & Emmerich were remaking it, I'd say it's not worth the risk. But I trust Jackson to update it correctly.

The trailer does look good. It's wowed everyone I've shown it to and most would have never given it a second thought normally.
I saw it again at War of the Worlds. Blew me away. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with the little moving postcards on the internet?

Btw, I've had a bunch of people think the dinos were a new addition to the story (they weren't sci-fi fans, but did see the original). Memory is an odd thing, but the dino-ape fight is one of the things I always remembered about the original....
Heck yes, one of the more iconic sequences (in a film full of them).

gewing
Jul 1st, '05, 07:09 PM
Quite correct, Susano. Nosferatu and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari were the two films to come right out of post-World War I Germany that invented the horror film as we know it today. They were silent, which meant that there was no language barrier between these films and a worldwide audience.

Nosferatu was intended to be a near-straight adaptation of the Bram Stoker novel Dracula, but since nobody bothered to get the approval of Stoker's estate names and locations had to be changed. To this day the true identity of Max Schreck, the actor who play the vampire Count Orlock (sp?), is a mystery.

The other great horror film to come out of Wiemar Germany was The Golem, which had it not been distributed worldwide would porbably have been obliterated from cinema history by the onrushing Nazis. Fritz Lang also contributed a spectacular silent adaptation of Faust, telling the story of the legendary magician who sold his soul to Mephistopholes in exchange for power.

And thus the huge debt all film buffs owe the Weimar Republic.

I ran the Cabinet of DR. Caligari at a cinematography class or film festival at the UW. MAN that is a disturbing movie.

Though "M" was in many ways even MORE disturbing...

ross_winn
Jul 3rd, '05, 01:34 PM
I remember saying to my wife the day I read they had signed Jackson. "They have to do this as a period film, which could be really amazing". My wife said "I have never seen King Kong" and I tripped and fell down the stairs.

I should be out of the body cast just in time for the opening.*

Ross

*I am not really in a body cast, but I thought that the fact that she had never even seen King Kong was pretty fscking shocking for a girl who calls herself a geek.

austenandrews
Jul 3rd, '05, 04:02 PM
That one doesn't surprise me too much. You always had to pay close attention to catch Kong on TV. My wife had never seen The Wizard of Oz, though, which was an annual television event. Weird, but it did give me the pleasure of taking her to see it for the first time at a restored "movie palace" downtown. You haven't seen Oz until you've seen it on the big screen.

The same goes for King Kong, too. But that one's much harder to catch full-size.

Lord Liaden
Jul 3rd, '05, 09:59 PM
I saw the original King Kong as a kid, and it's always been among my favorite movies. The SFX are stiff by today's standards, some of the acting pretty wooden, style almost campy in spots... but there was still genius in the suspenseful buildup to Kong's first appearance, his fight with the t-rex, forcing open the great gate, peering through the window of Anne Darrow's apartment, and of course the climax atop the ESB. Action, horror, pathos, exotic locale - that film has it all. :thumbup:

What really excites me about the trailer to the new version is that it appears so faithful to the original. The same characters seem to be there, with much the same background and relationships. The storyline looks to follow the original pretty closely. It's even set in the same time period. But it has all the slickness of modern moviemaking technology. And I for one am willing to forward Peter Jackson a lot of credit on whatever he directs; he's proven to me that he can balance all the big flashy moments with the small intimate ones.

It's been some time since I was this excited anticipating a film. :bounce: