Be like unto a god

[yamamura]

This has probably been done before but last night I thought of an idea for the origin of super powers. It is at the 1948 London Olympics that the being known as the Awarder first appeared and began to change the face of the world. He would always appear beside the man who presented the medal and would say to the gold medalist; be like unto a god. After which that person would have super powers.

Here are some ideas a friend and me bounced off about such a world:

Sometimes he awards the power to the silver or bronze medalist. Using steroids or cheating equals no powers.

The Olympians is a group of super powered individuals who have decided that mankind needs to be ushered into a new era and has thrown off country allegiances in their quest for this goal.

Some countries treat their returning athlete as a King or a God, while other treats them as slaves.

Immortality seems to be the standard of anybody awarded by him plus other powers based on the athlete’s personality (though sometimes the sport influences it too).

A series of Olympics in which he didn’t appear due to countries making back room deals on who would win the gold.

So what do you think? Anyone has any other ideas?

[transmetahuman]

Nice idea. My first thought, geek that I am, was "What, intellectual and artistic ability isn't worthy of godhood? Godhood is just for jocks??".

I really like your idea about backroom deals, that was cool. There'd be a lot of pressure on the judges - or does the Awarder judge by his own criteria? Is winning a medal a prerequisite?

I'm guessing team sports don't qualify - or maybe the whole synchronized swimming team gets the same powers? Sort of like the neo-pantheon's "nymphs"...

Depending on what qualities the Awarder is actually looking for in a god candidate... say, if one of them was heroism... it might be cool if one or more cosmic Awards went to a winner in the Special Olympics (presumeably curing his or her disability in the bargain). Sounds like he's just into athletic ability and determination, though.

[OddHat]

I like it, but I'd broaden it and make it a bit more mysterious.

Olympic athletes, as they break world records, manifest amazing powers related to their sports and personalities. Strange humanoid figures are seen.

A heroic fire fighter is rescuing a child from a burning building. He staggers out, half dead, the child in his arms. Witness report seeing a strange, transparent image of a man in a roman toga, just as the fire-fighter stands straight and tall, filled with superhuman strength and immune to flames.

A brilliant young graduate student, crippled by cerebral palsy, struggles to complete his thesis. As he does so, he rises, strong and healthy from his chair, able to move mountains with his mind. Hundreds report seeing the transparent image of a hundred foot tall man with the head of a bird above the school that night.

Two police drag a sobbing boy back to the home of a serial killer. The killer, Jeff Dahlmer, talks the police into leaving the boy with him. As Dahlmer takes and kills the boy, he hears laughter. From that day forward, the killer can not be killed.

By broadening the scope of activities that receive rewards, you give yourself and your players much more room for character backgrounds. You also gain a ready source of villains, and make it a little harder to be sure what's really going on.

[Hermit]

Not sure what to add to this, I find the initial proposal innovative, and I love Oddhat's suggestion to expand it. You could easily create a whole new super hero universe on this.

[Kirby]

I think it's an interesting campaign idea, though I wouldn't run it. By default, all the supers would have to have been Olympic champion athletes, which would make me wonder why one might then turn to crime, or would you treat it like Golden Age where the PCs are supers, but the criminals are normal?

The next issue is where do powered armored types come from? Are they normals trying to enter into the super world, or are they Olympic champions that are tinkerers and this was their gift?

Finally, and maybe most importantly, this would limit the # of supers being "produced" to every 2 to 4 years, but with Immortaliy, would any of them die? You might have to do some paperwork to figure out how many supers there would be, or just create a grand number. It seems like all supers would have a publice ID as well, unless the 'Olympian opponents' come to create the villains.

[LittleDevil]

I definately agree with OddHat. Limiting yourself to Olympic champions will mean that you'll lose out on a lot of interesting concepts.
Go with the Awarder granting powers and also influence to those that excel in any area. Most of the uplifted might come from the athletic circles, but not everyone.
If you want, the Awarder might not be the only entity capable of this...

[WhammeWhamme]

I think the Awarder alone is an excellent idea. It's narrow, yes, but narrow can be good.

Mind...

A nasty thought would be to have his opposite number operate in utmost secrecy, choosing the lowest of the low, the darkest and vilest humans imaginable, at their moments of greatest darkness...

[Susano]

Hmm... I find myself liking Oddhat's suggestion as well. Use a variety of origins, from accomplish Olympic athletes to Nobel prize winners. And not just "winners" of competitions, but people deemed worthy for obscure (to most humans) reasons.

[yamamura]

While I do like OddHat's idea of spreading it out to other areas, I was thinking of reason why it wouldn't be the case and the closest I came is that the Awarder doesn't understand humanity and caught on to phrases like the best and the brightest the world has to offer.

As for the Armored people, we must remember in the real world athletes have interest outside of their sports. So it is quite possible that one of them becomes a super-inventor and creates for himself a battle suit. I should of included interests of the athlete in how the powers are manifiested. But Kirby hinted at this already.

WhammeWhamme, I like the idea of his opposite operating and creating from the lowest of the low. It allows a criminal element to the mix and keeps it from being national hero versus national hero.

I like the concept of all the people being immortal but Kirby is right that poses problems. Maybe in time when a certain number of Olympians are created, the Awarder will vanish. But once very four and then 2 will limit the number of new supers.

[Hermit]

In a way, it is almost a shame you can't play with time, because if the Award was handed out in 1908 instead, you would have a great excuse for a new hero symbolising America's Freedom, Pride, and defiance (and maybe a bit of payback ;) )


“The Battle of Shepherds Bush” began almost immediately, when the U.S. delegation noticed that there was no American flag among the national flags decorating the stadium for the opening ceremonies. U.S. flag bearer and discus champion Martin Sheridan responded by refusing to dip the Stars and Stripes when he passed King Edward VII's box in the parade of athletes. “This flag dips to no earthly king,” Sheridan said. And it hasn't since.

If the Awarder had seen that, he might consider it tacky and rude, or he might instead see it as a sign of this 'spirit' stuff folks were talking about, and voila... the first flagsuit super hero is born, an American dubbed "Flagbearer"

Though admitedly, I've heard varying stories from different sources on the details (Including one that said it was the Irish Americans in the US team that HINTED strongly to the flag bearer that if he dipped that flag to the English king, they would ... talk to him later ;) )

EDIT: VERY contradicting sites... one says it was actually Ralph Rose

[Kirby]

If the Awarder had seen that, he might consider it tacky and rude, or he might instead see it as a sign of this 'spirit' stuff folks were talking about, and voila... the first flagsuit super hero is born, an American dubbed "Flagbearer"
I like this thought. It could be used to explain the abundance of supers in America compared to other countries.

[yamamura]

My one friend who I was discussing this idea with, thought it would also be cool to have it before the 1948. His idea would be how would the Nazi feel when Lewis was awarded the powers and not one of their own.

[Hermit]

My one friend who I was discussing this idea thought it would also be cool to have it before the 1948. His idea would be how would the Nazi feel when Lewis was awarded the powers and not one of their own.

Swweeeet... then you could have a golden age storyline where Hitler makes a deal with the 'rival' of the Awarder...

No wonder super powered Nazis were scum, they HAD to be just to qualify ;)

[Susano]

My one friend who I was discussing this idea with, thought it would also be cool to have it before the 1948. His idea would be how would the Nazi feel when Lewis was awarded the powers and not one of their own.

Shades of GODLIKE.

[Kirby]

My one friend who I was discussing this idea thought it would also be cool to have it before the 1948. His idea would be how would the Nazi feel when Lewis was awarded the powers and not one of their own.
"Zis meanz var!"

Okay, if you had the patience to research all the medal winners in modern Olympic history, it would be neat to allocate the supers to their countries (especially team winners). Heck, Romania and Australia would have a huge inflation, just thinking off the top of my head.

From an The Olympians perspective, I can understand why an Olympian-type diety (possibly misnamed "The Awarder" by the media) would choose the Olympics. Maybe it turns out that the deity is actually Zeus!

A tiny problem might be with the creation of the PCs. I would think there'd have to be a template for the minimums to be an Olympic athlete. But then again, modern Olympics do contain the trampoline. :nonp:

[pinecone]

This would certainly change the budget for olympic athletics. The mind bogles at the black ops this would spawn...Nacy Kerrigan would be considered lucky that it wasn't a KGB sniper trying to set the table for a medal....maybe too realistic a way to look at it....

[ghost-angel]

I like the idea of the Awarder only being at Olympic games. That's his schtick.

And a counterpart making villains is cool.

Perhaps expand it to an entire Pantheon of being doing this. This allows you to keep the Awarder to the original idea and expanding it to other areas of influence. Each Being will have their own schtick and creiteria for creating one of the Elevated.

[Susano]

I just thought of something... ever read Roger Zelazny's Game of Blood and Dust?

This reminds me of that.

[Hermit]

This would certainly change the budget for olympic athletics. The mind bogles at the black ops this would spawn...Nacy Kerrigan would be considered lucky that it wasn't a KGB sniper trying to set the table for a medal....maybe too realistic a way to look at it....

Well, considering the Awarder is able to sense when folks cheat and denies it to them even when they get the gold, I think after a few attempts like that failed, folks would try it more honestly. After all, it's bad enough to get the gold but NOT get the powers, but it would also announce the the world the gold wasn't earned rightfully in the first place.

[pinecone]

Well, considering the Awarder is able to sense when folks cheat and denies it to them even when they get the gold, I think after a few attempts like that failed, folks would try it more honestly. After all, it's bad enough to get the gold but NOT get the powers, but it would also announce the the world the gold wasn't earned rightfully in the first place.
But the athelete did not cheat...some unconnected individual did so his country will not fall behind in the "Supers-gap" even if it means no-one wins that better than Montenegro getting Annother "Fencing god"......power politics...think how nationalistic the games are now, let alone during the cold war...now add in a military advantage from winning...U,G,L,Y...:(

[yamamura]

I just thought of something... ever read Roger Zelazny's [i]Game of Blood and Dust{/i]?

This reminds me of that.

I have not, but I will keep my eyes open and snag a copy.

[yamamura]

But the athelete did not cheat...some unconnected individual did so his country will not fall behind in the "Supers-gap" even if it means no-one wins that better than Montenegro getting Annother "Fencing god"......power politics...think how nationalistic the games are now, let alone during the cold war...now add in a military advantage from winning...U,G,L,Y...:(

One of the ideas that countries would try to make winners by common consent and the Awarder didn't show up. Yes it would get ugly but as Hermit said he seems to know when he is being fooled.

[Susano]

I have not, but I will keep my eyes open and snag a copy.

It's a short story. I think you can find it in The Last Defender of Camelot. Basically, two "cosmic beings" play a game by saving/killing people throughout time.

[Roy_The_Ruthles]

since HERO won the "Best game of "XXXX as according to Inquest, does this make the DOJ all minor super heros?

does steve long have

Detect: answer to rules questions?

what about other gaming companies?

[yamamura]

It's a short story. I think you can find it in The Last Defender of Camelot. Basically, two "cosmic beings" play a game by saving/killing people throughout time.

Thanks for the 411 Susano.

[transmetahuman]

I like the idea of the Awarder only being at Olympic games. That's his schtick.

And a counterpart making villains is cool.

Perhaps expand it to an entire Pantheon of being doing this. This allows you to keep the Awarder to the original idea and expanding it to other areas of influence. Each Being will have their own schtick and creiteria for creating one of the Elevated.One does Nobel winners, definitely. I can't come up with any kind of award/contest for villainous types, not suprisingly. But I want to keep the theme going. Actually I wouldn't be suprised, given the popularity of books and sites dedicated to serial killers, if there wasn't some kind of explicit rating system on some web site that killers could be #1 on.

I'm shuddering to think about the being that awards the Miss Universe Pageant winners.

[Hermit]

One does Nobel winners, definitely. I can't come up with any kind of award/contest for villainous types, not suprisingly. But I want to keep the theme going. Actually I wouldn't be suprised, given the popularity of books and sites dedicated to serial killers, if there wasn't some kind of explicit rating system on some web site that killers could be #1 on.

I'm shuddering to think about the being that awards the Miss Universe Pageant winners.

Gives new import to "America's Most Wanted"

[Kirby]

The Olympians is a group of super powered individuals who have decided that mankind needs to be ushered into a new era and has thrown off country allegiances in their quest for this goal.

...

So what do you think? Anyone has any other ideas?
An idea might be that the Awarder or The Olympians have designated an area of Earth as their own and started up a new country, or maybe have occupied Greece itself and tried started a super breeding program.

Another might be that the Awarder uses the supers in conglomerates around the globe to be "watchdogs" and this explains why (nearly) every country has a supergroup, even if no one in the group is native to that country.

[McCoy]

One does Nobel winners, definitely. I can't come up with any kind of award/contest for villainous types, not suprisingly. But I want to keep the theme going. Actually I wouldn't be suprised, given the popularity of books and sites dedicated to serial killers, if there wasn't some kind of explicit rating system on some web site that killers could be #1 on.
The FBI's "Most Wanted" list? Does INTERPOL have a simular list?

What happens to those who win two or more gold medals, either in different events or same event in different Olympads? Do they get more points or does he show only for the first one?

[Teflon Billy]

If you were going with an earlier period in time (like Hermit said, the early 1900s Olympics) then I'd think your idea would be fine.

But modern Olympic athletes (IMO) do not represent quintesential humanity, they represent a severely distorted aspect of the human condition. They may be perfectly well adjusted people, but they just do not live the normal human condition. They are extremely specialized humans, and as Heinlein said it best:


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write a sonnet, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
And just because OddHat's Dahmer was just soooo disgustingly creepy you have to use him.:eg:

TB

[Kyle A.]

The FBI's "Most Wanted" list? Does INTERPOL have a simular list?

What happens to those who win two or more gold medals, either in different events or same event in different Olympads? Do they get more points or does he show only for the first one?
I don't think it would be an issue. They wouldn't be allowed to compete in the Olympics.

[McCoy]

As for the Armored people, we must remember in the real world athletes have interest outside of their sports. So it is quite possible that one of them becomes a super-inventor and creates for himself a battle suit.
I would be inclined to disagree, compeating at that level requires almost a monomical focus. I can only imagine how much that would be reamped up if one of the possible prizes is immortality.

[ghost-angel]

I would be inclined to disagree, compeating at that level requires almost a monomical focus. I can only imagine how much that would be reamped up if one of the possible prizes is immortality.

Not really. Well. not all the time.

Iron Maiden's lead singer Bruce Dickinson was asked to join the UKs Olympic Fencing Team in the late 1980s/early 1990s or so. Which puts him at Olypmic level for that sport. On top of that he's a singer in a world famous band and he learned to fly airplanes...

While many let the sport occupy their entire breathing existance it certainly doesn't have to be that way. Humans are particularly brain damaged sometimes when it comes to things like this IMO. competition for the sake of competition.

[Kirby]

They are extremely specialized humans, and as Heinlein said it best:
Hmm, I don't know about butchering a hog. Unless it was like "butcher shop" butchering a hog that is already dead. But I can do the rest.

[yamamura]

Not really. Well. not all the time.

Iron Maiden's lead singer Bruce Dickinson was asked to join the UKs Olympic Fencing Team in the late 1980s/early 1990s or so. Which puts him at Olypmic level for that sport. On top of that he's a singer in a world famous band and he learned to fly airplanes...

While many let the sport occupy their entire breathing existance it certainly doesn't have to be that way. Humans are particularly brain damaged sometimes when it comes to things like this IMO. competition for the sake of competition.

And Elvis Stojko (Canadian Figure Skater) beside being a world class skater is also a martial arts expert and IIRC also is a musician.

[Susano]

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write a sonnet, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

I guess I'm not a good human in Heinlein's eyes. I've never butchered any animal, can't write sonnets, poetry, or songs, set a bone (effectively -- although I know the theory), or program a computer (unless HTML counts). But then, I've heard that Heinlein was very much a "Renaissance Man," and could do all those things, which is why his heroes tended to be able to do so many different things as well (take a look at Oscar Gordon for example).

[Teflon Billy]

I guess I'm not a good human in Heinlein's eyes. I've never butchered any animal, can't write sonnets, poetry, or songs, set a bone (effectively -- although I know the theory), or program a computer (unless HTML counts). But then, I've heard that Heinlein was very much a "Renaissance Man," and could do all those things, which is why his heroes tended to be able to do so many different things as well (take a look at Oscar Gordon for example).


Hmm, I don't know about butchering a hog. Unless it was like "butcher shop" butchering a hog that is already dead. But I can do the rest.

People, it's not that we have to be able to do all those things now but se should aspire to be able to all of these things (or equally important things of this nature). Don't know how to butcher a hog? I doubt that, I'm sure if given a the tools to do it we all have the basic intelligence and understand to get the job done (maybe not well the first time) but we should at least in theory know what to do. (Hang it by it's feet, cut the throat and drain, gut it, etc.... Oh, and make sure the meat is fully cooked, I wouldn't trust myself the first dozen or so times ;))

TB

[AlHazred]

Since QM hasn't been here yet.

Olympic medalists - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medallists

List of Nobel laureates - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_prize_winners

List of assassins - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassins

The Serial Killer Hit List - Part 1 (hard to read, but good basic info)
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/serial1.html

Serial killers and notorious murders in The Crime Library
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/index.html

Real Life Hero Stories - Robin's Web
http://www.robinsweb.com/inspiration/heros.html

[Roy_The_Ruthles]

nobel must be the awarder! he used his superhuman intelect to make dynamite and to become imortal!

[TheQuestionMan]

I like it, but I'd broaden it and make it a bit more mysterious.

Olympic athletes, as they break world records, manifest amazing powers related to their sports and personalities. Strange humanoid figures are seen.

A heroic fire fighter is rescuing a child from a burning building. He staggers out, half dead, the child in his arms. Witness report seeing a strange, transparent image of a man in a roman toga, just as the fire-fighter stands straight and tall, filled with superhuman strength and immune to flames.

A brilliant young graduate student, crippled by cerebral palsy, struggles to complete his thesis. As he does so, he rises, strong and healthy from his chair, able to move mountains with his mind. Hundreds report seeing the transparent image of a hundred foot tall man with the head of a bird above the school that night.

Two police drag a sobbing boy back to the home of a serial killer. The killer, Jeff Dahlmer, talks the police into leaving the boy with him. As Dahlmer takes and kills the boy, he hears laughter. From that day forward, the killer can not be killed.

By broadening the scope of activities that receive rewards, you give yourself and your players much more room for character backgrounds. You also gain a ready source of villains, and make it a little harder to be sure what's really going on.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to OddHat again.

Wow great ideas. Goose bump ideas.


Since QM hasn't been here yet.

LOL, I'm getting there. I'm not Steve Long yah know.



QM

[TheQuestionMan]

Olympic.org
http://www.olympic.org/uk/index_uk.asp

Olympic Games - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Olympics

Summer Olympic Games - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Olympic_Games

Winter Olympic Games - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Olympic_Games

List of Olympic Events – Google Directory Sports > Events > Olympics
http://www.google.com/Top/Sports/Events/Olympics/

Olympian Gods -
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/gods.html

Greek Mythology Link –
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/OLYMPIANS.html

Greek Mythology – Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_god

Nobel Prize – Official Site
http://nobelprize.org/

Nobel Prize – Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize

More to come


Cheers

QM

P.S.: Yes I know he already beat me to the post.

[hooligan x]

Would the Awarder show up at every event or just one? I would have which event he appeared at be a big topic of discusion (and wagering). He may show up for a team sport and award only one of the team the powers. I wouldn't make any hard criteria for him as his motives should be mysterious. But someone from the 1980 US hockey team must have gotten superpowers. Come on!

[pinecone]

Reading through this I had a terrifing thought...many pro boxers skipped the Olympic try outs to go pro....that would not happen in this universe...Oh...my ...god...Tyson with super powers.....

[Kyle A.]

Lets never speak of a super Tyson ever again...well after the first fifty ear jokes or so.

[McCoy]

This has probably been done before but last night I thought of an idea for the origin of super powers. It is at the 1948 London Olympics that the being known as the Awarder first appeared and began to change the face of the world. He would always appear beside the man who presented the medal and would say to the gold medalist; be like unto a god. After which that person would have super powers.
Maybe it was the re-establishment of the Olympics in 1896 that "woke up" the Awarder and his kin. When James Connolly became the first Olympic champion since 385 AD, at the award ceremony he heard a whisper in his ear "Be like unto a god." No one standing near him saw or heard anything. On the ship going back home he compared notes with Robert Garrett, Tom Burke, Thomas Curtis, Ellery Clark, and Wells Hoyt. They all heard the same thing. Albert Tyler, second place in pole vault, heard nothing.

They shrugged it off as One of Those Things. Connolly unsucessfully defended his title at the Paris Games in 1900, and has attended every Olympics since then as a journalist, not an athlete.

In 1912 he noticed that Albert Tyler looked like a man in his 40's, but he and Robert Garret did not look like they had aged a day since 1896. As a journalist, he started digging. So the first time The Awarder was seen and heard by more than the athlete himself, Connolly was the only one present who was not suprised.

In the campagine world James Connolly is still alive, a vigorous 137 year old (he looks 28) Irish American. He set the steriotype of the hard drinking reporter. He will track down and interview the PC's after they gain their powers, at the games if they are Olympians. He has interviewed every person the Awarder has selected at the Olympics, and the majority of those who got their powers Elsewhere. Can be a resource for the PC's to get info on others with powers, will answer their questions as long as they agree to answer his.

[McCoy]

Reading through this I had a terrifing thought...many pro boxers skipped the Olympic try outs to go pro....that would not happen in this universe...Oh...my ...god...Tyson with super powers.....
So not all that the Awarder gifts will be heroes. Thought that was implied.

[BlackSword]

Reading through this I had a terrifing thought...many pro boxers skipped the Olympic try outs to go pro....that would not happen in this universe...Oh...my ...god...Tyson with super powers.....
True, but it would remove the problem of where do the villains come from. Just because one excels at a sport does make him a 'good' person.

edit: Shoot, beat by McCoy, that will teach me to read the entire thread first. ;)

edit 2: Should add that this is an excellent idea, I really like this origin and concept story.

[Teflon Billy]

So not all that the Awarder gifts will be heroes. Thought that was implied.Although, I wouldn't mind seeing Joe Sullivan or Rocky Marciano(sp?) clean Tyson's clock in an epic Silver Age-esque battle across NYC.

TB

[Klytus]

I love the entire concept, and the ways in which it has been expanded. One question I have: what SFX would you use to describe these powers? Are they magic? Cosmic? Or something else entirely?

[Susano]

I love the entire concept, and the ways in which it has been expanded. One question I have: what SFX would you use to describe these powers? Are they magic? Cosmic? Or something else entirely?

I think that might depend on the nature of the being giving out the power. If it's a Greek god, then the answer is "magic." If it is some sort of manifestation of the cosmos, then you get "cosmic power." Or, it could be some sort of awakening of the mind's full potential, and everything is telepathic and/or telekinetic in origin (the Wild Cards rational).

[AlHazred]

I would say it depends on how far you go with the concept, and what kind of person receives these powers.

For instance, if the Awarder is also rewarding Nobel laureates, many of them might just make themselves High-Tech powers. On the other hand, a pole-vaulter who received super jumping ability would obviously have Hyper-Strength powers.

For the full gamut of possibilities, the Awarder's powers themselves must be Magic/Mystic in origin.

[SKJAM!]

Hmm, if the Awarder gives out the powers based on accomplishment rather than motive (but does insist the accomplishment be "earned,"), perhaps the "evil" counterpart does the same.

I can thus imagine a person performing some horrific, outright evil act out of a sincere desire to do the right thing, getting the power, and then acting as a hero. A hero in the vein of Spawn or Devilman, but still....

[Vorsch]

Like Doom or Magneto or High Evolutionary...

after all its for there own good.

Ps this is the attitudes of Goverments, why is magneto wrong and georgr bush correct?

ps im not american

[ghost-angel]

Like Doom or Magneto or High Evolutionary...

after all its for there own good.

Ps this is the attitudes of Goverments, why is magneto wrong and georgr bush correct?

ps im not american


Megneto is a fictional stereotype upon which we can place our hangups.
George Bush is just a jerk in power.

[Kirby]

Megneto is a fictional stereotype upon which we can place our hangups.
George Bush is just a jerk in power.



Ps this is the attitudes of Goverments, why is magneto wrong and georgr bush correct?

ps im not american
Would you two take your gripes to the NGD? There's plenty of whiner space available there. :straight: