Magic irem writeup question

[Icel]

My Gm gave my (what I think is) a cool magic item. We are playing D&D in our group and so I want to convert this item into HERO stats.
This is called Orb of defense. Oce per day it gives a +7 AC bonus, for the next attack only.

I wrote it up like this:
Zhenkir Orb of Defense: Armor (10 PD/10 ED) (30 Active Points); 1 Recoverable Charge (-1 1/4), OAF (-1), Instant (-1/2), Nonpersistent (-1/4).

The PD/ED amount is unimportant for now. The thing I want to know is if the Instant (-1/2), Nonpersistent (-1/4) limitations provides the "for the next attack only" effect?

P.s. sorry for the typing error in the subject line, but it can't be edited...

[Killer Shrike]

You cant mix Instant and Non persistent.

[Icel]

What?
Armor is a persistent power. For it to be Instant I need to downgrade him 2 levels- to Constant and then to Instant. This was done with HD, so how can it be worng?

[Fitz]

Having only one charge takes care of the non-persistence in any case, and making it Instant and Triggered (by the next attack) would make sure that it only affected one attack in the Phase that the armour exists.

[Killer Shrike]

What?
Armor is a persistent power. For it to be Instant I need to downgrade him 2 levels- to Constant and then to Instant. This was done with HD, so how can it be worng?
Instant powers are not persistent. Its not a legal combination. Also, powers on charges are automatically Instant unless they are Continuous Charges. So basically putting it on a charge makes it instant and not persistent already as Fitz rightly notes.

[Super Squirrel]

Drop non-persistant and add Trigger (Next Attack)

[Killer Shrike]

Drop non-persistant and add Trigger (Next Attack)
Using Trigger, you would also need to by a Detect power if you wanted it to work vs attacks that you were unaware of or unable to detect normally.

[Killer Shrike]

In this case, you want the effect to be "up" and to protect you from whatever whether you are aware of it or not, but it only works once per day and then stops functioning. Instead of using charges or Instant or Trigger, which all have ancilliary behaviors, a simple Partially Limited Limitation does the trick:

Zhenkir Orb of Defense: Armor (10 PD/10 ED) (30 Active Points); Only good for one use per day (-2), OIF (Mystic Orb; -1/2)

[Fitz]

For that construction you could also add "No conscious control, -2" since the character has no control over when the effect occurs.

[Basil]

My Gm gave my (what I think is) a cool magic item. We are playing D&D in our group and so I want to convert this item into HERO stats.
This is called Orb of defense. Oce per day it gives a +7 AC bonus, for the next attack only.

I wrote it up like this:
Zhenkir Orb of Defense: Armor (10 PD/10 ED) (30 Active Points); 1 Recoverable Charge (-1 1/4), OAF (-1), Instant (-1/2), Nonpersistent (-1/4).

The PD/ED amount is unimportant for now. The thing I want to know is if the Instant (-1/2), Nonpersistent (-1/4) limitations provides the "for the next attack only" effect?

P.s. sorry for the typing error in the subject line, but it can't be edited...
To bring together what others have already said, the best way (it seems to me) to write this up is:

Zhenkir Orb of Defense: Armor (10 PD/10 ED), Trigger (being attacked, +1/4) (37 Active Points); 1 Charge (-2). Total cost: 12 points.

The 10/10 can be changed if one wants more, or less, protection.

Making this work only against one attack is, IMO, GM declaration (in cooperation with the player, of course). 5th Ed., p.182, "Charges normally last for, at most, a character's Phase." {emphasis added}. That seems to me to put making it last less time in the land of Special Effects. If anyone disagrees, adding Instant (-1/2) to the write up is simple enough: the Total cost becomes 11 points.

BTW, Killer Shrike: I'm afraid you're partly wrong. Triggered will still work even if the "owner" is unaware of the attack. You're right, however, that it won't work versus attacks the "owner" could not sense. :)

BTW, Icel, you definitely do not want to make it a Recoverable Charge, as that means the character could do something that would make the Charge available as soon as combat is over, rather than having to wait for the next day. ;)

[Icel]

Thanks for all you replays.
Is there a diffrance if I want it to be FW and not Armor?

[Killer Shrike]

BTW, Killer Shrike: I'm afraid you're partly wrong. Triggered will still work even if the "owner" is unaware of the attack. You're right, however, that it won't work versus attacks the "owner" could not sense. :)

Depends on the Trigger condition. Command Word or At Will Triggers are pretty useless vs things a character is unaware of for instance.

[Basil]

BTW, Killer Shrike: I'm afraid you're partly wrong. Triggered will still work even if the "owner" is unaware of the attack. You're right, however, that it won't work versus attacks the "owner" could not sense. :) Depends on the Trigger condition. Command Word or At Will Triggers are pretty useless vs things a character is unaware of for instance.
True. I was looking at the gizmo as a "works against first attack of the day" rather than a "works once, against an attack the user chooses" thing. If one does it as the second kind, then it will only work vs. what the user can sense.

Hmmm... Now, if it has to be "turned on" and only afterwards will work against the first attack, one could add Gestures or Incantations, Only To Turn On (either would be -1/4). Then it would "stand ready," and would go off when the user was attacked.

[LordGhee]

Quick thought

use Force filed 10 pts last 24 hours, gestures to to on ect., usealbe only vs first attack (invisalbe effects, ect )

or would this be one use only, (a charge limit?)

basicly using a limited power approach

[Killer Shrike]

Quick thought

use Force filed 10 pts last 24 hours, gestures to to on ect., usealbe only vs first attack (invisalbe effects, ect )

or would this be one use only, (a charge limit?)

basicly using a limited power approach
{cough} yeah, kind of like the example I posted above.