Shadow Evocation/Shadow Conjuration

[Killer Shrike]

Looking for some help, thought Id post this here since the Fantasy HERO board seems slugish.

Im trawling for suggestions on how to do Shadow Evocation and Shadow Conjurations from D&D 3e within the VPP-based Magic System detailed here:

http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3486

please post on the linked thread rather than here :)

[Killer Shrike]

The response so far has been so voluminous and helpful I thought Id fish some more. :rolleyes:

[kirakane]

There are a small minority of spells from the FH books that used frameworks to reprsent varriable effects.

Since the magic system you've designed uses VPP's I assume you could have a slot of another VPP only to cast evocation or conjuration spells appropriately.

54 Shadow X: Variable Power Pool (Magic Pool), 40 base + 14 control cost, Powers Can Be Changed As A Half-Phase Action (+1/2), No Skill Roll Required (+1) (90 Active Points); 1 Charges (-2), Limited Class Of Powers Available Limited (-1/2)
plus Primary pool disads.

This costly but flexible

Another idea is to use a one charge multipower with a representative set of powers in the spell grouping.

12 Shadow X: Multipower, 40-point reserve, all slots: (40 Active Points); 1 Charges (-2), 1/2 phase to change slots (-1/4)
1u 1) A spell: Custom Power (40 Active Points)
1u 1) A spell: Custom Power (40 Active Points)
1u 1) A spell: Custom Power (40 Active Points)
1u 1) A spell: Custom Power (40 Active Points)
1u 1) A spell: Custom Power (40 Active Points)

This is cheaper and probably flexible enough.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by kirakane
There are a small minority of spells from the FH books that used frameworks to reprsent varriable effects.

Since the magic system you've designed uses VPP's I assume you could have a slot of another VPP only to cast evocation or conjuration spells appropriately.


Unfortunately, the problem with that is you cant have a Framework within a Framework. :(

[kirakane]

That is true but the way I've mentioned to simulate spells with varriable powers has shown up in peoples FH campaign write ups for a very long time. The most used example is the Magic VPP used to summon a magic bow (Multipower) that shoot's multiple types of arrows which I believe Steve Peterson had answered that he didn't particulary see anything wrong with making an exception for that construct under 4th edition and 4th edition still had the same rules of not buying frameworks in frameworks.

One more way I was pondering was to buy off the "only changes under given circumstance" limiter from the control cost of the primary pool for that one slot. So for instance.

1) A spell (27 base): Custom Power , Buy off: Changes only under given circumstance (+1/2) (40 Active Points) -1/2 only spells of certain type

This for all intents and purposes is still like the VPP in a VPP solution which is a place holder for a lower powered spell of varrying power type.

In all the forms the player doesn't get anything for "free" buying items with VPP pool points. The pool points themselves are never discounted in any way so an exception might be inorder here to easy your design along.