I Here this game is no good

[atlascott]

from what i here there are no fun in this rule. you roll dice and then you tell story and then everyone fall down. this is true? The book is big someone get hurt. is this true? also this is old game, so no one under 35 play this game because too many rul is this true? why you have so many rule all the time for game to be fun you can to have rule all the time.

[Enforcer84]

Seriously?
*takes post at face value*

This game is a hoot. But when done well, almost any game is. Rules don't make a game fun or no fun (they can contribute of course, but it's not an all or nothing trade).

Welcome to the boards.

[Robyn]

from what i here there are no fun in this rule. you roll dice and then you tell story and then everyone fall down. this is true?

Yes, you have us all figured out. We're just LARPers who have a secret, guilty obsession with rolling dice for "Ring Around The Rosie" ;)


The book is big someone get hurt. is this true?

Yes, someone can get hurt, but the size of the book keeps us safe. Read here (http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29665) for how it can stop bullets :thumbup:


also this is old game, so no one under 35 play this game because too many rul is this true?

Yes, noone can read a book that has this many rules without instantly being promoted to year 35 on the age-rank system! Yee-haw! :D


why you have so many rule all the time for game to be fun you can to have rule all the time.

I'm not even sure this part is a sentence, but I'll agree with it since the word "can't" isn't featured anywhere in there.

[McCoy]

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[The Souljourner]

^^^^^^ What he said

[Dust Raven]

WTF? Did someone hack altascott's profile or something?

[Dr. Anomaly]

Either that (since it sure doesn't sound like him) or he's had one too many [intoxicant or other medication of choice].

[ghost-angel]

I was about to say.... when did atlascott forget how to use grammar?

He's not a heavy poster... but man, gotta be a hack.

[Thia Halmades]

This is the second one. Yeah, it's a hack.

[Dr. Anomaly]

I just dropped Dan a PM about it.

[Dust Raven]

I just dropped Dan a PM about it.

Good idea.

If it turns out to be a bad joke on his part, we'll just lynch him.

[ghost-angel]

Good idea.

If it turns out to be a bad joke on his part, we'll just lynch him.
People get strung up around here a lot ... I'm sure I.. er, we can find some rope.

[Robyn]

People get strung up around here a lot ... I'm sure I.. er, we can find some rope.

Rope: VPP, Cosmic, OAF: a rope; Only powers that can reasonbly simulate a Rope. Size depends on length of Rope. :D

[ghost-angel]

You remember well grasshopper.

[lemming]

Could just be a non-english speaker, though it still a bit of a troll.

On the off chance that he's serious: It's a good system. Very versatile.

[Robyn]

You remember well grasshopper.

Yeah, but one thing still puzzles me.

If the power is defined as "anything an X can do", and the power itself is X, what can it do?

It's a "chicken and egg" conundrum. If we restrict X to anything already justified, then it refers to itself and says "nothing new is ever possible", which kind of defeats the point of a VPP. If we let X be anything new that we can call X, it can be, well, anything new so long as we agree to call it X, which kind of defeats the point of it being "X".

I want to call it "anything X could do in real life", but that seems kind of like metagaming.

I want to let it do/be "anything reasonable/consistent for the concept of X", but then I think of all those HERO players on these boards who have told me that you can't step outside of the established mechanics.

I'm basically having trouble with this whole template (a Cosmic VPP) for statting common items. Part of me wants to just delegate the whole mess to "roleplaying" and call it a day ;)

[ghost-angel]

Mechanics are Metagaming a bit. Anything X Can Do means just that.. if Ropes in your Gaming world shoot ionized beams of energy from one end then that's what X Can Do.

very simple really. You just have to be willing to define or restrict X as the Game World sees fit.

[Robyn]

Mechanics are Metagaming a bit. Anything X Can Do means just that.. if Ropes in your Gaming world shoot ionized beams of energy from one end then that's what X Can Do.

:nonp: Not ropes, exactly . . . but, I did hear of this guy named Jesus who was able to turn water into wine. If spiritual power can do that in the real world, why not in my game world too?

I think the Pope in my world doesn't drink, unfortunately :)


very simple really. You just have to be willing to define or restrict X as the Game World sees fit.

So, if in the Game World there's something that doesn't exist in the real world (like an invisible "web" of positive energy), it has a VPP that can only make changes in line with the application of positive energy?

[McCoy]

:nonp: Not ropes, exactly . . . but, I did hear of this guy named Jesus who was able to turn water into wine. If spiritual power can do that in the real world, why not in my game world too?

I think the Pope in my world doesn't drink, unfortunately :)



So, if in the Game World there's something that doesn't exist in the real world (like an invisible "web" of positive energy), it has a VPP that can only make changes in line with the application of positive energy?
I think that's legitimate. VPP, can only re-create Biblically documented miracles of Jesus.

[Dust Raven]

I think that's legitimate. VPP, can only re-create Biblically documented miracles of Jesus.

Sounds more like a Multipower because there's a limited list of what he did (in the Bible anyway; as far as we know he did dozens of other things the church deemed inapproprate or out of character for their mesiah).

[McCoy]

Sounds more like a Multipower because there's a limited list of what he did (in the Bible anyway; as far as we know he did dozens of other things the church deemed inapproprate or out of character for their mesiah).
Either way. Probably more cost effective as a MP than a VPP. There are a couple of old threads wher we started to Stat out Jesus. They all got locked rather quickly.

[Robyn]

Sounds more like a Multipower because there's a limited list of what he did (in the Bible anyway; as far as we know he did dozens of other things the church deemed inapproprate or out of character for their mesiah).

I'd still like a "discretionary 'slush' fund" VPP, though, to cover all those miracles which are in line with the general idea of holy power, until they can be brought into the appropriate Multipower. Thus, if the Pope in my world wants to Purify Water, he can do so, and afterward this will be written into the books and thus it is decided that the power belongs to the "biblical feats" Multipower ;)

I'm also, as mentioned in my sigline, trying to work out how two similar powers can interact through their their SFX (not Poison, anyway) and create an entirely new power - common table salt. I figure that's a good starting place, anyway, for a template of "two VPP's interact for unexpected results".

Ironically, I wouldn't feel the need to stat so much of the game world if there weren't these players who insisted that "if not statted, it doesn't exist". I am, in a very real sense, only statting out the whole planet (http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43048) (and everything on it) because that's what the players seem to want :D

[McCoy]

I'd still like a "discretionary 'slush' fund" VPP, though, to cover all those miracles which are in line with the general idea of holy power, until they can be brought into the appropriate Multipower. Thus, if the Pope in my world wants to Purify Water, he can do so, and afterward this will be written into the books and thus it is decided that the power belongs to the "biblical feats" Multipower ;)

I'm also, as mentioned in my sigline, trying to work out how two similar powers can interact through their their SFX (not Poison, anyway) and create an entirely new power - common table salt. I figure that's a good starting place, anyway, for a template of "two VPP's interact for unexpected results".

Ironically, I wouldn't feel the need to stat so much of the game world if there weren't these players who insisted that "if not statted, it doesn't exist". I am, in a very real sense, only statting out the whole planet (http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43048) (and everything on it) because that's what the players seem to want :D
That one is so easy. Transform, chlorine to salt, expendable focus, sodium

[Robyn]

That one is so easy. Transform, chlorine to salt, expendable focus, sodium

It's just one specific example though. I don't want to have to buy such an effect for every possible interaction of elements (be they atomic, magical, or other), and I don't want to have to stat one out mid-game. I'm thinking that it would be nice to have a VPP "all powers must arise as a consequence of two other powers interacting with each other, neither of which will necessarily have their intended result" template. Along with the slight metagaming of "define or restrict X as the Game World sees fit" that ghost-angel mentioned.

[Doc Democracy]

Yeah, but one thing still puzzles me.

If the power is defined as "anything an X can do", and the power itself is X, what can it do?

It's a "chicken and egg" conundrum. If we restrict X to anything already justified, then it refers to itself and says "nothing new is ever possible", which kind of defeats the point of a VPP. If we let X be anything new that we can call X, it can be, well, anything new so long as we agree to call it X, which kind of defeats the point of it being "X".


Well I think the problem is that the power you are creating is called a rope and the special effects of the power are rope.

It isn't any more self referential than changing rope for fire, or magnetism or any other SFX that you want to consider. The problem with rope powers is that they seem too mundane for a complex construct like a VPP.

IMO obviously.


Doc

[ghost-angel]

Well I think the problem is that the power you are creating is called a rope and the special effects of the power are rope.

It isn't any more self referential than changing rope for fire, or magnetism or any other SFX that you want to consider. The problem with rope powers is that they seem too mundane for a complex construct like a VPP.

IMO obviously.


Doc
It was intended as a joke.. That's the same construct I proposed for a Spoon.

It works for just about every item really... anything where you don't want to think about all the possible applications just toss it into a VPP and go....

Thus proving that statting out ordinary items it both futile and stupid.

[keithcurtis]

I just figured atlascott was joking, doing a parody of Hero detractors and making them look dumb through the lack of grammar. I thought it was funny, anyway.

Keith "but I'm easily amused" Curtis

[Super Squirrel]

Unfortunately, while I'm getting up their in age, I'm still not old enough to play Hero System yet. :(

[Silbeg]

man, you people will rant on about anything... :eek:


I guess I am included in "you people", aren't I? :eg:

[ghost-angel]

Have Topic, Will Post.

[Blue]

I remember atlascott from around the boards quite a while ago. Don't remember the wonderful speech pattern though. So I'm guessing that account be haxx0rs.

[Blue]

Yep, if you check his posts as recently as 4/12/06, he's speaking articulately and on topic about the system. I reccommend a password reset and notification of the account owner.

[atlascott]

Nah, I occasionally post some dummy jokey-joke, obviously wrong, bad spelling and grammar 'indictments' of the HERO system as a joke. This was one of four or something. Just messing around, gents and gals!

Did anyone notice the gratuitous extra space between "Here"[sic] and "this" in the subject? And the gratuitous capitalization of "Here"--I mean, this is attention to detail and the devlopment of Mimicry: internet forum. I mean, at LEAST 14 or less, I figure.

[L. Marcus]

Burn the heretic?

[ghost-angel]

Nah, I occasionally post some dummy jokey-joke, obviously wrong, bad spelling and grammar 'indictments' of the HERO system as a joke. This was one of four or something. Just messing around, gents and gals!

Did anyone notice the gratuitous extra space between "Here"[sic] and "this" in the subject? And the gratuitous capitalization of "Here"--I mean, this is attention to detail and the devlopment of Mimicry: internet forum. I mean, at LEAST 14 or less, I figure.
"...And that's when he was strung up your honor. No sir, I don't remember who brought the rope."

[kuoshu]

I say, well played Atlascott!

Well played indeed!

So subtle was your contol through this post that somehow no-one realized that you had steared the thread into a discussion of Rule of X, sliding into VPP's, into Multipowers, then back through VPP's again.

All through the power of your mind!

Soon my friend... Soon you will be ready to take over the world!

And since I am the only one to have noticed this thus far I expect a high ranking position... Perhaps you could appoint me Vice Overlord of Wisconsin?



Seriously though, I liked how this group some how managed to move into a semi-serious rules conversation even from the likes of the original post in this thread. Just proves that Herophyles take their game seriously.

Kuoshu (now back to my lurking)

[bigdamnhero]

And here I figured you'd been promoted to management and received your complementary lobotomy. :D

[TheRavenIs]

------Ok, call me confussed-----but then I live in the state of confussion.

[prestidigitator]

------Ok, call me confussed-----but then I live in the state of confussion.
Is that near Alabama, or what? ;)

[AliceTheOwl]

I dunno, but it's right next door to my permanent residence.

So, er, atlascott . . . Why? :confused:

[atlascott]

My Mimicry: internet shenanigans Jedi powers grow strong...

But in order for that to happen, to gain that level of POWER, I have to focus on my hate, feel the power of my hate flow through me.

Soon, I shall become a Dark Lord of the Sith...for Mimicry: Internet shenanigans...

Soon, I shall become so powerful, more powerful than any Jedi...in Mimicry: Internet shenanigans...and then Ill have to build it as mind control with a lim: only for internet shenanigan purposes---or would that be Presence? Or shapeshift with a lim: only for internet shenanigans?

But can someone tell me--can I learn the power to cheat death?

[[Whoever responds appropriate will be IMMEDIATELY be promoted to Dark Lord of Wisconsin--or their state of choice....]]

[atlascott]

And as to the question of why?

Well, the short answer is--aw heck, why not? Why climb Mount Everest? Why swim the English Channel? Why become the most powerful practioner of Mimicry: internet shenanigans, ever to grace these forums? One must reach for the star to even reach the skies, my friend.

Seriously, though, I dont know. Im a strange cat? I guess I can accept that answer, too. But not full of malice. If I were full of malice, that would lead to the Dark Side of the Hero System...

[Manic Typist]

I still recommend a password reset, in case someone actually DID hack his account, and decided it would be MORE fun to convince us that everything was actually ok.

[keithcurtis]

But can someone tell me--can I learn the power to cheat death?]



no.


Keith "I'll take Washington, please" Curtis

[atlascott]

Well, for the records, Keith, that is not the proper response, but you can have Washington anyway, cuz you figured me out...

[Thia Halmades]

Blue: shame on you! The account was not 'haxx0rz' j00 l4m3r. The account would be "t3h h4xx0rz, b1tch3z!!!!~~" Get it right! :slap:

[AliceTheOwl]

And as to the question of why?

Well, the short answer is--aw heck, why not? Why climb Mount Everest? Why swim the English Channel? Why become the most powerful practioner of Mimicry: internet shenanigans, ever to grace these forums? One must reach for the star to even reach the skies, my friend.

Seriously, though, I dont know. Im a strange cat? I guess I can accept that answer, too. But not full of malice. If I were full of malice, that would lead to the Dark Side of the Hero System...
Well, so long as you're not a strange bird. That's my schtick. ^ v ^

[Silbeg]

Have Topic, Will Post.

On or off topic, of course...

Thread hijacking... the new ... um...:confused:

[ghost-angel]

On or off topic, of course...

Thread hijacking... the new ... um...:confused:
the new pink!

[L. Marcus]

Noooo, not another Pink!

[ghost-angel]

but everyone looks Pretty In Pink

[Robyn]

Noooo, not another Pink!

Soylent Pink?

[L. Marcus]

She'd make me happier as Soylent!

[prestidigitator]

Prove you are atlascott (or at least a decent Herophile)! Recite the metarules! :whip: :D

[Enforcer84]

Nah, I occasionally post some dummy jokey-joke, obviously wrong, bad spelling and grammar 'indictments' of the HERO system as a joke. This was one of four or something. Just messing around, gents and gals!

Did anyone notice the gratuitous extra space between "Here"[sic] and "this" in the subject? And the gratuitous capitalization of "Here"--I mean, this is attention to detail and the devlopment of Mimicry: internet forum. I mean, at LEAST 14 or less, I figure.
:o

[L. Marcus]

Naaah . . . An 11-, at the max . . . I'd make it a hobby skill, a PS, so that'll cost ya two points. :D

[Dust Raven]

And I thought my April Fools joke was bad... :drink:

[Robyn]

I think that's legitimate. VPP, can only re-create Biblically documented miracles of Jesus.

Reminds me of Dogma (for once, a movie with the other Kevin Smith ;)). Bishop who would bless his own golf club just for a better game (bonus skill levels: Golf), inadvertently giving it the power to bypass all defenses on demon flesh because Catholic Dogma mandated that the pure side would always do the most damage, and the golf club was an instrument of God.

That's a Cosmic "magical law" VPP right there. A good example of how paying for only one power can, through the SFX, still produce effects that would otherwise cost a lot of points to implement normally.

[L. Marcus]

Garlic breath. I'd charge no points for that, even though vampires avoid it like the stake.

[radioKAOS]

My Mimicry: internet shenanigans Jedi powers grow strong...

But in order for that to happen, to gain that level of POWER, I have to focus on my hate, feel the power of my hate flow through me.

Soon, I shall become a Dark Lord of the Sith...for Mimicry: Internet shenanigans...

Soon, I shall become so powerful, more powerful than any Jedi...in Mimicry: Internet shenanigans...and then Ill have to build it as mind control with a lim: only for internet shenanigan purposes---or would that be Presence? Or shapeshift with a lim: only for internet shenanigans?

But can someone tell me--can I learn the power to cheat death?

[[Whoever responds appropriate will be IMMEDIATELY be promoted to Dark Lord of Wisconsin--or their state of choice....]]


Try EDM: to a Dimension where the HERO forums get atlascott's joke ;)

[atlascott]

The correct response is:

"Yes, but not from a Jedi..."