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JmOz

Jun 5th, '03, 05:46 AM

Okay round Three, and same as before: Do to an interdimensional crisis heroes from four worlds must battle, in four way battles to determine who are the greatest Champions of all times, LET THE BATTLE BEGIN, The battle of the Bricks begin:

Giant/Goliath of the Guardians: Standing four times the size of a normal Man and with the Strength of a titan. His powers come from his harness, that he inhereted from his father in law, the original Giant/Goliath.

Obsidian of the OCU: Noble Prince of a far away galaxy, dedicated to protecting all of his kingdom

Behemeth of the CNM: A man who's soul is now bound to a netherbeast

Ironclad of the NCU: A Alien Gladiator with a keen eye for weakness

Again we will assume all are built on 350 points using 5th edition rules

Hermit

Jun 5th, '03, 06:17 AM

I like Obsidian fine, but let's see.... Prince trained for rulership against a soldier turned Gladiator with years of experience in the arena even before becoming a super hero.

I give it to Ironclad.

(Then again, I sometimes think I'm one of the few on this board who likes/respects the 5e Champions)

SirViss

Jun 5th, '03, 07:55 AM

I give it to Ironclad, myself. The only other one I know is Obsidian, and I didn't particularly like him. Don't know why, but there it is...:rolleyes:

Mastermind

Jun 5th, '03, 09:32 AM

Ironclad, just cuz he looks cooler!

TheQuestionMan

Jun 5th, '03, 10:07 AM

I have to go with the majority . However Giant/Goliath is the inheriter of a Superhero Brick ( was he trained by the original ) and Behemeth was bound to a Demon of War , but I've always gone with an ex-Military types .

Enforcer84

Jun 5th, '03, 12:20 PM

Got to give uit up to Obsidion. He was my fave of the old group and Ironclad is nice and all but just not as cool as the Prince.

BTW: I redid Obsidian for 350 points. But I didn't change too much, just the size mass thing and added some stuff. I didn't drop his defenses to be the 5e norm...

JmOz

Jun 5th, '03, 12:34 PM

I don't recall did obsidian have Lack of Weakness? If not then that would be an interesting fight with Ironclad as his defenses might get halved...

Enforcer84

Jun 5th, '03, 01:00 PM

My updated doesn't and I based it off the original. I am going to say no. However, my update has both tunnelling and a Shockwave Attack that would enable him to "clear the floor" at least once...

Agent X

Jun 6th, '03, 01:02 AM

I voted for Obsidian on the basis that he actually has an interesting background that can be mined for stories that aren't all about growling and gesticulating.

Enforcer84

Jun 6th, '03, 10:29 PM

Woohoo! It looks like the shiny black attack is ahead of the pack!

btw, here is my version of Obsidion:
Obsidian

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>STR</td><td>50</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>DEX</td><td>24</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>CON</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15  </td><td>BODY</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>INT</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>EGO</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25  </td><td>PRE</td><td>15</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>COM</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>PD</td><td>18</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20  </td><td>ED</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4  </td><td>SPD</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">8"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 196

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Tremendous Size and Mass: Knockback Resistance -5" </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">15  </td><td>Stone-like flesh: Damage Resistance (20 PD/10 ED) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4  </td><td>Surprisingly swift: +2" Running (8" total) </td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Transpathic Crown: Universal Translator 13- (20 Active Points); IIF Fragile (-1/2), Only for Programmed Languages Power does not work in Common Circumstances (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">26  </td><td>Shockwave Attack: Strength 60, Only does knockdown not knockback (+0), Hole In The Middle (one Hex) Fixed Size (+1/4), Explosion (+1/2) (45 Active Points); Extra Time Full Phase (-1/2), Only affects targets on the ground (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">4</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">33  </td><td>Terraswiming: Tunneling 8" through 8 DEF material (Fill In Hole) (50 Active Points); Limited Medium (Earth & Stine Only Limited; -1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">5</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">26  </td><td>Stone Like Life form: Life Support , Eating: Character only has to eat once per week, Extended Breathing, Immunity: All terrestrial diseases and biowarfare agents, Longevity: 1600 Years, Safe in High Pressure, Safe in High Radiation, Safe in Intense Cold, Safe in Intense Heat, Safe in Low Pressure/Vacuum, Sleeping: Character only has to sleep 8 hours per week </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 124

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>+2 with Punch, Haymaker, Grab </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Computer Programming 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Combat Piloting 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>High Society 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>TF: Grav Vehicles/Hovercraft, Personal Use Spacecraft, Small Planes </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Navigation (Interstellar) (Pick Something) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>AK: Area Knowledge: Imperial Space 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Language: English (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Scientist </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>1) SC: Theoretical Physics (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>2) SC: Cybernetics (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>3) SC: Genetics (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 30

Total Character Cost: 350

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Distinctive Features: 8' tall, jet black, and 1600 kg: Not Concealable, Always Noticed and Causes Major Reaction, Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psych. Lim.: Completely dedicated to the Interstellar Empire, would do anything for it: Common, Total </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psych. Lim. : Noblesse Oblige, being a hero is his duty as defined by his station Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psych. Lim. : Sees himself as the protector of the earth Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Psych. Lim.: Homesick for the Empire Uncommon, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Hunted by Imperial Enemies: 8- (Occasionally), More Powerful, Harshly Punish </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Hunted : VIPER 8- (Occasionally), More Powerful, Harshly Punish, Extensive Non-Combat Influence </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Hunted: Ogre 8- (Occasionally), As Powerful, Harshly Punish </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Public Identity: Frequently (11-), Major </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Vulnerability: 2x STUN Sonics Uncommon </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0

Enforcer84

Jun 6th, '03, 10:32 PM

Woohoo! It looks like the shiny black attack is ahead of the pack!

btw, here is my version of Obsidian:
Obsidian

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>STR</td><td>50</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>DEX</td><td>24</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>CON</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15  </td><td>BODY</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>INT</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>EGO</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25  </td><td>PRE</td><td>15</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12  </td><td>COM</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>PD</td><td>18</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20  </td><td>ED</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4  </td><td>SPD</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">8"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">12"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 196

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Tremendous Size and Mass: Knockback Resistance -5" </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">15  </td><td>Stone-like flesh: Damage Resistance (20 PD/10 ED) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4  </td><td>Surprisingly swift: +2" Running (8" total) </td><td valign="top" align="right">1</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">11  </td><td>Transpathic Crown: Universal Translator 13- (20 Active Points); IAF Fragile (-3/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">26  </td><td>Shockwave Attack: Strength 60, Only does knockdown not knockback (+0), Hole In The Middle (one Hex) Fixed Size (+1/4), Explosion (+1/2) (45 Active Points); Extra Time Full Phase (-1/2), Only affects targets on the ground (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right">4</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">33  </td><td>Terraswiming: Tunneling 8" through 8 DEF material (Fill In Hole) (50 Active Points); Limited Medium (Earth & Stine Only Limited; -1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right">5</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">26  </td><td>Stone Like Life form: Life Support , Eating: Character only has to eat once per week, Extended Breathing, Immunity: All terrestrial diseases and biowarfare agents, Longevity: 1600 Years, Safe in High Pressure, Safe in High Radiation, Safe in Intense Cold, Safe in Intense Heat, Safe in Low Pressure/Vacuum, Sleeping: Character only has to sleep 8 hours per week </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 125

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>+2 with Punch, Haymaker, Grab </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Computer Programming 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Combat Piloting 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>High Society 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>TF: Grav Vehicles/Hovercraft, Personal Use Spacecraft </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Navigation (Interstellar) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>AK: Area Knowledge: Imperial Space 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Language: English (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Scientist </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>1) SC: Theoretical Physics (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>2) SC: Cybernetics (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>3) SC: Genetics (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 29

Total Character Cost: 350

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Distinctive Features: 8' tall, jet black, and 1600 kg: Not Concealable, Always Noticed and Causes Major Reaction, Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psych. Lim.: Completely dedicated to the Interstellar Empire, would do anything for it: Common, Total </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psych. Lim. : Noblesse Oblige, being a hero is his duty as defined by his station Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psych. Lim. : Sees himself as the protector of the earth Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Psych. Lim.: Homesick for the Empire Uncommon, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Hunted by Imperial Enemies: 8- (Occasionally), More Powerful, Harshly Punish </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Hunted : VIPER 8- (Occasionally), More Powerful, Harshly Punish, Extensive Non-Combat Influence </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Hunted: Ogre 8- (Occasionally), As Powerful, Harshly Punish </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Public Identity: Frequently (11-), Major </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Vulnerability: 2x STUN Sonics Uncommon </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 0
Total Experience Available: 0
Experience Unspent: 0

JmOz

Jun 10th, '03, 09:37 AM

Well we are heading for the finish line and right now the leader is Obsidian of the OCU with 12 votes

Here is the snap shot

Giant/Goliath of the Guardians 5 15.15%
Obsidian of the OCU 12 36.36%
Behemeth of the CNM 5 15.15%
Ironclad of the NCU 11 33.33%

Voting will be over Thursday morning

JmOz

Jun 11th, '03, 07:08 AM

Well We have less than a day less, who will win, this one sports fans is CLOSE, with Obsidian having the slightest of edges, beating out the new kid Ironclad by only two votes, can the NCU beat this old dog in a last minute victory? Only time will tell

SnapShot
Giant/Goliath of the Guardians 7 17.95%
Obsidian of the OCU 14 35.90%
Behemeth of the CNM 6 15.38%
Ironclad of the NCU 12 30.77%
Total: 39 100%

Kid Chaos

Jun 11th, '03, 07:10 AM

I don't know what it is, I like Obsidian.

He could use a new costume though. That thing he wears scares me.

Mutant for Hire

Jun 11th, '03, 02:15 PM

The whole replacing of Obsidian by Ironclad annoyed me, mainly because it was so pointless. Likewise the switch from Solitaire to Witchcraft. Let's see, we changed our brick from an alien prince to an alien gladiator. And we went from a shy female magician to... yes, another shy female magician. Huh?

Quantum to Sapphire, well, at least they changed the character concept, and of course Seeker and Nighthawk are totally different concepts as well. Still, I somehow find the old Quantum better than her replacement as well. I tend to like having a hero who isn't this cheerful dogooder type but a real pain in the neck.

It would have been nice if they had found a way to give Defender a personality this incarnation.

Agent X

Jun 11th, '03, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Mutant for Hire
The whole replacing of Obsidian by Ironclad annoyed me, mainly because it was so pointless. Likewise the switch from Solitaire to Witchcraft. Let's see, we changed our brick from an alien prince to an alien gladiator. And we went from a shy female magician to... yes, another shy female magician. Huh?

Quantum to Sapphire, well, at least they changed the character concept, and of course Seeker and Nighthawk are totally different concepts as well. Still, I somehow find the old Quantum better than her replacement as well. I tend to like having a hero who isn't this cheerful dogooder type but a real pain in the neck.

It would have been nice if they had found a way to give Defender a personality this incarnation. I liked the 4th Edition team better. If they wanted to come up with new characters, that's cool, but they could have stretched a little bit to do it. Coming up with pale shades of the originals just seemed sad to me. The other problem is that they are supposed to be this important team and they are built as standard superheroes. That doesn't work for me either.

If they aren't that important, don't get them involved in the backstory of the setting and villains in ways that are inconsistent with the scale they are built on.

JmOz

Jun 11th, '03, 05:55 PM

12 hours to go and the boy from the OCU is going strong

SnapShot

Giant/Goliath of the Guardians: 8
Obsidian of the OCU: 17
Behemeth of the CNM: 6
Ironclad of the NCU: 12

JmOz

Jun 12th, '03, 06:23 AM

And the winner of round three is the man of stone

OBSIDIAN

Snap Shot
Giant/Goliath of the Guardians 9 20.00%
Obsidian of the OCU 18 40.00%
Behemeth of the CNM 6 13.33%
Ironclad of the NCU 12 26.67%