Denver International airport...

[CBikle]

Just heard about conspiracy-theories relating to this place.

Figured it'd be interesting as possible game material.

The airport's mural is very weird in and of itself:

http://www.geocities.com/baja/5692/dvader.jpg



Denver International Airport (http://www.geocities.com/baja/5692/)

[gamerz123]

I don't know about conspiracy theories, but.

While I realize the importance of art as a social critique and vehicle for debate and action...

That's really not the image I want to carry in my head while I get on board an airplane (especially if the flight will probably have a bad movie and I'll get seated next to a couple of little kids who complain, yell, and scream the entire trip. :nonp: )

[CBikle]

Another part of the same mural:

http://www.anomalous-images.com/COFFIN4B.JPG

[CBikle]

http://www.anomalous-images.com/COFFIN4.JPG

Yes, at the bottom of the mural, those are three little girls in coffins.

[bigdamnhero]

Just heard about conspiracy-theories relating to this place.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: All manner of rep to you - that's the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time!! I guess Mount Weather (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Weather) theories are passe, so they need someplace new to obsess over.


The airport's mural is very weird in and of itself:
I fly in & out of DIA roughly once a month and have never even noticed those images - there are several large murals in the airport, and I suspect those pictures are of rather small sections. I'll have to take a closer look next time I'm there. ;)

As far as gaming potential goes, I agree this has all kinds of potential. In some ways, a major airport would be an ideal place to hide a secret base: easy to move cargo & people in & out, lots of vehicles coming and going at all hours, lots of infrastructure that most people don't really understand anyway, most of the workers are cleared and/or regulated in one way or another (which in theory could make it easier to "keep a lid on things").

[CBikle]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: All manner of rep to you - that's the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time!! I guess Mount Weather (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Weather) theories are passe, so they need someplace new to obsess over.

Don't really buy into them, but I do find this kind of stuff interesting.

IMO, the only real conspiracy theory that has some merit, is the JFK assassination one.



I fly in & out of DIA roughly once a month and have never even noticed those images - there are several large murals in the airport, and I suspect those pictures are of rather small sections. I'll have to take a closer look next time I'm there. ;)


It's a little different nowadays. Either because of 9-11 or by upset children, I think the parts of the mural depicting scary gun-toting soldiers, burning cities, etc. have been painted over.

That stuff would be out of place in a museum of modern art, but seem oddly out of place for an international airport.

[bigdamnhero]

I also find it amusing that all these so-called secret societies are so obsessed with leaving their marks all over the place. if I was buliding a secret base under an airport, the last thing I'd do would be to incorporate a bunch of "symbology" into airport murals, cornerstones, etc. :snicker:

[Lethosos]

Actually, one would do it, obliquely, to help other, out-of-town members find "safe areas" and other important areas.

[stmichaeldet]

Actually, one would do it, obliquely, to help other, out-of-town members find "safe areas" and other important areas.

Oh, there's more reasons than that. In conspiracy-theorist terms, Masons, Illuminati, and even Nazis are considered "occult" groups, and manipulating symbolism in the minds of the masses is the way occultists get things done. Therefore, they have to plaster their "secrets" (in coded form, of course) everywhere they can, thereby empowering their hidden plans to Take Over the World!

Can you tell I've read too much of this stuff?

[Super Squirrel]

http://www.geocities.com/baja/5692/dvader.jpg


...because all Nazis had rainbows shooting out of their groin. :ugly:

[Lucius]

And what's with the three winged dove?

Lucius Alexander

Then again, I have a palindromedary. Who am I to call something strange?

[SirViss]

Um, that's not three wings, that'a a tail and two wings...:rolleyes:

[ghost-angel]

Having been through almost every tunnel in DIA (there were several more operating when the airport first opened up) that lead to the terminals - These Murals Do No Exist. I haven't gone through the "automated baggage tunnels" because well, you can't and I'm not sure they're even lit.

I f-ing hate this stupid rumor on these idiotic murals. It really does piss me off. It's a flippen retarded consipiracy theory/rumor. Top Notch Retarded.

In fact there were some painting in the train tunnels, and some of them were taken down later (I've no idea why). But little fan things were put up that spin as the train passes by them. . .

And if you look at the image that catches part of the ceiling - DIA doesn't have spots like that pointed at any of the walls.

stupid stupid stupid stupid . . . I'd like to find who first started this and hurt them.

[bigdamnhero]

I guess I didn't take it (or any other lunatic conspiracy theories) seriously enough to get angry about it.

[ghost-angel]

I guess I didn't take it (or any other lunatic conspiracy theories) seriously enough to get angry about it.

The rumor has been around since DIA opened, and honestly did some damage to the rep of the city a bit. And it's kinda, just plain stupid. Stupid rumors annoy me. :p

[bigdamnhero]

The rumor has been around since DIA opened, and honestly did some damage to the rep of the city a bit. And it's kinda, just plain stupid. Stupid rumors annoy me. :p
Point taken. I wasn't here back when DIA opened, so this was the first I've heard of it.

Hmm... DIA's Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_International_Airport#Conspiracy_theories) entry seems to take the conspiracy theory semi-seriously, at least claiming that the murals did actually exist although some have since been painted over. If anyone can find any sources to cite debunking this nonsense, one of us should probably update the entry.

Note to self: g-a protests too much, he is obviously part of the cover-up...have to be careful what I say around him in the future...
:winkgrin:

[ghost-angel]

There were murals down there. Just not the ones claimed in the conspiracy.

I doubt I can get a camera down into the tunnels anymore with airport "security" the way it is these days, but I can try and maybe get some snaps showing that the bits of lighting you see in the image don't and never have existed down there.


note to self; bdh knows too much

[bigdamnhero]

Actually, if I'm reading it right I think these are supposed to be in the main terminal, not down in the tunnels.

[Cancer]

So where are the armies of mutant killer zombies with frickin' lasers coming out of their heads, if not behind the murals in the tunnels? Here in Seattle they're all parcelled out among the Starbuck's, but I didn't think other places had the same density of those.

[bigdamnhero]

Here in Seattle they're all parcelled out among the Starbuck's, but I didn't think other places had the same density of those.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28657 ;)

[Lucius]

Having been through almost every tunnel in DIA (there were several more operating when the airport first opened up) that lead to the terminals - These Murals Do No Exist. I haven't gone through the "automated baggage tunnels" because well, you can't and I'm not sure they're even lit.

I f-ing hate this stupid rumor on these idiotic murals. It really does piss me off. It's a flippen retarded consipiracy theory/rumor. Top Notch Retarded.

In fact there were some painting in the train tunnels, and some of them were taken down later (I've no idea why). But little fan things were put up that spin as the train passes by them. . .

And if you look at the image that catches part of the ceiling - DIA doesn't have spots like that pointed at any of the walls.

stupid stupid stupid stupid . . . I'd like to find who first started this and hurt them.


Hmm. Well, yes, that's stupid on more than one level. Why claim something exists that doesn't, in a public place like an airport where literally multitudes pass through daily, and anyone can go there and look and see that you're full of - uh, bubkus?

And then, if the murals depicted didn't come from Denver - where DID that insane art come from? And wouldn't the hoaxer be afraid someone would recognize the real source of the art, again revealing him as full of sh - uh, bubkus?

Unless the same guy who dreamed up the story is also the artist. Possible I suppose. Both seem like the products of a disturbed mind.

And what's with making a tail look just like a third wing?

Lucius Alexander

The palindromedary still thinks it looks like three wings.

[bigdamnhero]

To be fair, it does kinda look like Leo Tanguma's work - he's a real (AFAIK) artist who has done a couple murals at DIA: http://www.flydenver.com/guide/art/mural.asp.

[CBikle]

I think the original plan was to give the airport a cosmopolitan and multi-cultural feel.

To do this, they commissioned multiple artists to work on pieces to decorate the airport with.

I get the impression that there wasn't much oversight on this and that's why you have murals of ghost-nazi's looming over scared children hiding in rubble.

I think many (if not all) conspiracy-theories get started because someone (or multiples of someones) in a high-profile situation screws up and tries to cover their ass and do just good enough of a job to get themselves out of trouble, but leave too many now-confused details which serve to only feed into the whole conspiracy angle.

I sometimes think the JFK assassination was a result of too many people in official positions doing a half-assed job that day in Dallas, either by laziness or because of residual anger that many had towards JFK regarding Cuba, race issues, etc.


Kind of a "Perfect Storm" of incompetence and pettiness.

[finnamin]

the murals were changed i hear from generating to much buzz?
or for giving away too much info? i can imagine certain ilummanists big brass
waling through looking to see the fine work and ordering that it be changed.

[Lucius]

To be fair, it does kinda look like Leo Tanguma's work - he's a real (AFAIK) artist who has done a couple murals at DIA: http://www.flydenver.com/guide/art/mural.asp.

Well. We have at least one match on that site with one of the murals claimed by the conspiracy nut. Maybe the others aren't (and weren't) really at the airport, but are by the same artist?

Lucius Alexander

Sometimes I can't even find the palindromedary

[bigdamnhero]

The thing that's honestly most surprising to me -- assuming for a second that the murals are/were in any way real -- is that most public art in Denver seems deliberately designed to be as bland and inoffensive as possible. Displaying art that actually tries to make people think (about war or anything else) seems to be a public liability these days.

[ghost-angel]

I can sat without hesitation that those murals were definitely not ever in the main terminals at DIA, I remember walking around the entire flippin' airport one day just to check it all out (Back when the entrance booths were about 5 billion miles out - now known as the 45 Minute Waiting Area).

They may have been from the same artist who does have several images in DIA, but not those particular ones.

[bigdamnhero]

The airport's mural is very weird in and of itself:

http://www.geocities.com/baja/5692/dvader.jpg
I found it! No ****, this mural really does exist! It's on the lower level, in a corridor connecting the east baggage claim area to the central section, between carousels 6&7 if anyone wants to go looking for it.

Of course, the conspiracy nuts conveniently fail to mention the mural right next to it, where Evil-Gas-Mask-Man lies dead in a coffin while happy peaceful people celebrate the end of war. (I didn’t have a camera with me, sorry.) As with most conspiracy theories I’ve investigated, the problem isn't so much with what they report as with what they leave out.

[teh bunneh]

As with most conspiracy theories I’ve investigated, the problem isn't so much with what they report as with what they leave out.

Oh yeah, of course you'd say that. It's just what they want us to think. :eek:

[FenrisUlf]

The only conspiracy theory I've heard about Denver International until now would be the one mentioned in David Icke's book The Biggest Secret about the tunnels beneath the airport where the Reptoid Cannibal Orgies take place, though they're actually a few miles sou...

Uh, like others said, it's all fake. No truth to it at all. Please forget you ever read this, citizen.

[ghost-angel]

I found it! No ****, this mural really does exist! It's on the lower level, in a corridor connecting the east baggage claim area to the central section, between carousels 6&7 if anyone wants to go looking for it.

Of course, the conspiracy nuts conveniently fail to mention the mural right next to it, where Evil-Gas-Mask-Man lies dead in a coffin while happy peaceful people celebrate the end of war. (I didn’t have a camera with me, sorry.) As with most conspiracy theories I’ve investigated, the problem isn't so much with what they report as with what they leave out.

No wonder I never saw it in the train tunnels ... meh. I don't ever remember going nosing around the baggage area, I don't normally even take bags I have to check when I fly.

[The Monster]

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[bigdamnhero]

No wonder I never saw it in the train tunnels ... meh. I don't ever remember going nosing around the baggage area, I don't normally even take bags I have to check when I fly.
I didn't used to either. But now that you can't bring, basically, ANYTHING in your check bags...:(

[Sketchpad]

Having been through almost every tunnel in DIA (there were several more operating when the airport first opened up) that lead to the terminals - These Murals Do No Exist. I haven't gone through the "automated baggage tunnels" because well, you can't and I'm not sure they're even lit.

I f-ing hate this stupid rumor on these idiotic murals. It really does piss me off. It's a flippen retarded consipiracy theory/rumor. Top Notch Retarded.

In fact there were some painting in the train tunnels, and some of them were taken down later (I've no idea why). But little fan things were put up that spin as the train passes by them. . .

And if you look at the image that catches part of the ceiling - DIA doesn't have spots like that pointed at any of the walls.

stupid stupid stupid stupid . . . I'd like to find who first started this and hurt them.

Ah! They got Ghost-Angel ... he must be part of it!! ;)


Oh yeah, of course you'd say that. It's just what they want us to think. :eek:

Eeexxxactly! On a more serious note, there's some game info towards a DIA conspiracy in the latest Dark*Matter d20 book ;) Something about the Masons and an alien race .... ;)

[bigdamnhero]

FYI, Westword (http://www.westword.com/2007-08-30/news/dia-conspiracies-take-off/) just ran a big article on DIA conspiracy theories. It includes a nice interview with the artist who painted the murals, who's still mystified over all the controversy.

[teh bunneh]

So, they finally got to the writers and editors of Westword. Those NWO bastards. :mad:

:snicker:

[input.jack]

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