Supervillain Showdown -- The Finale! Dr. Destroyer vs. Kreuzritter

[guardiansorder]

Superhero Showdown - THE VILLAINS - The Final Round (#6)!
Champions vs. Silver Age Sentinels

Superhero RPG fans across the world determine the winners of epic
battles between Champions and Silver Age Sentinels characters.

Showdown #5 is complete -- Firewing and General Winter battle to a draw!

Showdown #6 has just started -- an awesome battle between the despotic Dr. Destroyer and the diabolical Kreuzritter!

Visit the Superhero Showdown website, read the battle synopsis, and vote
for your favourite. Then pop over to the message boards and have your say.

Superhero Showdown:_ www.champions-vs-sas.com
Message Boards:_ http://pub84.ezboard.com/bsuperheroshowdown66104

Supervillain Showdown #6 voting ends 10 July 2003.

[Agent X]

Destroyer wins!
Even in Kreuzritter's story, it is admitted that Doctor Destroyer is more powerful. The idea that Kreuzritter would outwit Doctor Destroyer with a lava blast from the earth doesn't work for me.

[Southern Cross]

Agreed.Destroyer is too smart to be fooled by such a ploy.

[Enforcer84]

Oh man, I gotta say this...I think the picture for destroyer speaks volumes that her should give us access to colored pictures or their characters. Destroyer looks astounding in color. Is that the original piece or was it colored from the grey scale?

He also beat the snot out of Kreuzritter in both stories. He should be the king....

[Agent X]

That was a good picture. He rocks! Kreuzritter is okay but come on. Dr. D's main schtick is he is smarter than everyone else. If you aren't more powerful and you don't outnumber him - You Don't Win.

[Lord Liaden]

Well, Dr. D is intellectually brilliant, but as both stories highlight he's really not a subtle combatant, preferring to overwhelm his opponent with brute force unless force isn't enough (which of course it usually is). ;) Yet IMHO that very arrogance would leave him open to the tactics that Kreuzritter employed, which were not something that Destroyer would have to "fall for"; he simply didn't expect an attack of that nature, and didn't react fast enough to counter it.

OTOH I was impressed by the tactics Kreuzritter displayed in his story, trying different tacks to bring the Doctor down. Even Destroyer was impressed with Kreuz's power in his own story; let Kreuzritter get his enemy into a position where he has the advantage, and I could believe that he has what it takes to overcome even Dr. Destroyer.

BTW, I agree that the color version of Destroyer looks great, although Kreuzritter is no slouch either; they're like two sides of the same coin. I wasn't sure about the new look for the Doctor, but this has cinched it for me. I'm seriously considering using his old illo for Takofanes; it has a rather supernatural look to it, and that scrawny lich image just doesn't say "comic book" to me.

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
Well, Dr. D is intellectually brilliant, but as both stories highlight he's really not a subtle combatant, preferring to overwhelm his opponent with brute force unless force isn't enough (which of course it usually is). ;) Yet IMHO that very arrogance would leave him open to the tactics that Kreuzritter employed, which were not something that Destroyer would have to "fall for"; he simply didn't expect an attack of that nature, and didn't react fast enough to counter it.

OTOH I was impressed by the tactics Kreuzritter displayed in his story, trying different tacks to bring the Doctor down. Even Destroyer was impressed with Kreuz's power in his own story; let Kreuzritter get his enemy into a position where he has the advantage, and I could believe that he has what it takes to overcome even Dr. Destroyer.

BTW, I agree that the color version of Destroyer looks great, although Kreuzritter is no slouch either; they're like two sides of the same coin. I wasn't sure about the new look for the Doctor, but this has cinched it for me. I'm seriously considering using his old illo for Takofanes; it has a rather supernatural look to it, and that scrawny lich image just doesn't say "comic book" to me. I think that arrogance card gets played way too often. Heck, I think SAS has used it too often in these Hero v. SAS battles. That seems to be their standard way of winning when obviously outmatched. It wouldn't bother me if they did something clever but what amounts to a haymaker, pushing, indirect attack isn't that hard to read.

[death tribble]

I voted for the team up.
Just got the feeling that it's more fun to manipulate the things than to kill your opponent.

[Crimson Arrow]

Yes, death tribble's right. The stories this time have "master villain team up" written all over them. It's just like those Silver Age JLA/JSA team ups, where the heroes from two worlds have to unite to defeat a powerful menace. I don't think they've ever given the team up option on any of these polls before, so why else do it now?

I think both characters look great, although Destroyer in colour (while very cool) seems to have a spare Crown of Krim. As he doesn't like magic, shouldn't someone tell him? I'm not volunteering though; I think I can hear my phone.;)

[Lord Liaden]

I admit I'm a little disappointed by the team-up option. I can see why the companies did it and it certainly would be an in-genre outcome, but I would have preferred that there have to be a clear winner. Even another tie, unlikely as that is, would have been more satisfying if I knew that the votes were balanced between two choices. Now we may never know who the fans would have picked.

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
I admit I'm a little disappointed by the team-up option. I can see why the companies did it and it certainly would be an in-genre outcome, but I would have preferred that there have to be a clear winner. Even another tie, unlikely as that is, would have been more satisfying if I knew that the votes were balanced between two choices. Now we may never know who the fans would have picked. I agree with you on that.

[Enforcer84]

Didn't even notice that option.

[Crusader108]

Victory goes to Dr Destroyer. No doubt in my mind. Also, I can't see them teaming up unless Dr Destroyer is clearly in charge.

[Crimson Arrow]

Surely, this is the classic "I'll team up with this buffoon until the advantage is ours and then I'll stab him in the back and take this new world all for myself" plotline? Of course, that's what they are both thinking and it's how the heroes get to win.

Never mind logic and characterisation, this is the big Summer cross-over series and there has to be a reason for the mega-villains to team up, no matter how tissue-thin and unlikely.

Still, I suspect Doctor D will end up winning, which is probably the "correct" answer based on power levels, so I'm not that bothered if the team-up never happens.

[BlackSword]

I voted for Dr Destroyer. I think the team-up option is due to the Reality Storm cross-over. The SAS press release had:



Reality Storm: When Worlds Collide sets the stage for a world-shattering apocalypse when arch-villains Dr. Destroyer and Kreuzritter team-up to conquer both universes! The heroes from Champions' Millennium City and Silver Age Sentinels' Empire City must join forces to save their worlds, but can they put aside their differences to work together or will they destroy each other first?

[Hermit]

Last day to support your local Destroyer ;0)

[Lord Liaden]

Only if he begs - maybe not even then. I'm not holding my breath, though. ;)

I did already vote for him to win, but I won't hazard a guess as to how this contest will go. If the small number of comments posted to the Showdown boards is any indication, voter fatigue with the contest may have set in. With a smaller number of votes cast, any result is possible. And the team-up option muddied the waters unnecessarily IMHO.

Whatever the result, I just hope it doesn't prompt the "rigged contest" conspiracy proponents to throw a hissy-fit. :(

Me, I'm already looking ahead; I want my Reality Storm! :cool:

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden

Whatever the result, I just hope it doesn't prompt the "rigged contest" conspiracy proponents to throw a hissy-fit. :(


Agreed.

And yeah, an incredibly low vote turn out could lead to some suprises.
Heck, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if FOXBAT won. ;)

[Agent X]

Shirley, Dr. Destroyer will win.

[Starcorp Man]

Count me in for Doc D, sorry there is no contest, the guy takes on Superhero Teams.

[Enforcer84]

Originally posted by Agent X
Shirley, Dr. Destroyer will win.

ALthough I am positive this will make her feel better, who is Shirley?:D

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Enforcer84
ALthough I am positive this will make her feel better, who is Shirley?:D An excellent and clever method of turning my "joke bomb" around on me. Hmmm, I will have to make note of this tactic.

[Willpower]

Well, I for one think it is rigged, but I am not throwing a hissy fit over it. I actually think it was a smart business move for them. A little deceptive, but except for comments like mine there is no downside to it.

I even offered to retract my suspicions if either Dr. Destroyer or Kreuzritter wins, but I don't think that will happen. What I am wondering now though is; Why, after the contest has been supposedly over for days, they haven't announced the results yet.

As far as taking on whole superhero teams goes though, Kreuzritter does that too, its just SAS is more set up like DC than Marvel, so they have some heroes capable of taking on villains of even that magnitude. Actually Marvel does too, but I always thought Champions seemed more Marvelesque than DCesque. They have some reaccurring villains in Marvel that are powerful enough to take on many heroes at once, even the powerful ones like Thor, but in DC, the most powerful reacurring bad guy as people like Darkseid, who even though he is as powerful as most ultra marvel baddies, and can take out whole teams, some of DC's Iconic characters like Superman can take him on one on one. Destroyer on the other hand, can take on more than hero teams though, he can nearly take on whole hero armies.

And finally, as for Agent X, I agree Destroyer should win, but don't call me shirley.

[Hermit]

Darn it. No judgement yet.

[Lord Liaden]

Sshh! Not so loud. If you draw attention to yourself they may pick you to inform the loser. :eek:

[Rachel]

I have NO idea who either of the combatants are.

[Blue]

Originally posted by Nemesis
I have NO idea who either of the combatants are. Then go up and introduce yourself ;)

[Rachel]

Originally posted by Blue
Then go up and introduce yourself ;)

I'm assuming they're major bad guys in Champions. lol I didn't read what forum the thread was in until AFTER I posted.

My bad. :o

[Blue]

Originally posted by Nemesis
I'm assuming they're major bad guys in Champions. lol I didn't read what forum the thread was in until AFTER I posted.

My bad. :o

Heh. One champions, One from silver age sentinels.

Yeh, they're supposed to be bad. :rolleyes:

[Lord Liaden]

Actually Dr. Destroyer is the pre-eminent Champions master villain; his opponent, Kreuzritter, holds a similar status in the world of the Silver Age Sentinels, the superhero RPG from Guardians of Order. For the past half-year DoJ and GoO have been staging contests pitting their respective iconic heroes and villains against each other (in short story format), and letting their fans vote on the winners. They even have discussion boards set up just for this contest (there are links to these things in the first post on this thread).

This unprecedented cooperation contributed to the companies putting out a joint adventure book, Reality Storm, featuring both their premier hero teams in one of those cross-universe comic book team-up epics. Latest estimate has it coming out in late August or early September.

[Rachel]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
Actually Dr. Destroyer is the pre-eminent Champions master villain; his opponent, Kreuzritter, holds a similar status in the world of the Silver Age Sentinels, the superhero RPG from Guardians of Order. For the past half-year DoJ and GoO have been staging contests pitting their respective iconic heroes and villains against each other (in short story format), and letting their fans vote on the winners. They even have discussion boards set up just for this contest (there are links to these things in the first post on this thread).

This unprecedented cooperation contributed to the companies putting out a joint adventure book, Reality Storm, featuring both their premier hero teams in one of those cross-universe comic book team-up epics. Latest estimate has it coming out in late August or early September.

Thank you. :) Well, I'll go with the HERO villain, of course. :)

[aylwin13]

Originally posted by Agent X
Shirley, Dr. Destroyer will win. Co-Master X, of course the Doctor will win; but please don't call us "Shirley". ::grins sheepishly:: (I couldn't help myself. It had to be said). :o

[tkdguy]

Where can we find the results of the contests? All I want to see is who won each contest. I don't want to sort out each thread to find the answer.

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by tkdguy
Where can we find the results of the contests? All I want to see is who won each contest. I don't want to sort out each thread to find the answer.

Sentinel vs. Ironclad: Sentinel wins.

Defender vs. Red Phoenix: Red Phoenix wins.

Nighthawk vs. Caliburn: Nighthawk wins.

Kinetik vs. Slipstream: Slipstream wins.

Witchcraft vs. Mother Raven: Witchcraft wins.

Sapphire vs. Officer Prometheus: Sapphire wins.

Mechanon vs. lron Duke: Mechanon wins.

Thunderbird vs. Alice, Queen of Hearts: Alice wins.

Black Harlequin vs. Janus: Harlequin wins.

Teleios vs. Mr. Matthews: Matthews wins.

Firewing vs. General Winter: draw.

[tkdguy]

Thank you, Lord Liaden. It's nice to finally find the answers.

[Agent X]

Originally posted by aylwin13
Co-Master X, of course the Doctor will win; but please don't call us "Shirley". ::grins sheepishly:: (I couldn't help myself. It had to be said). :o Heh, LOL :D

[Willpower]

Heh, LOL :D


I still think this contest was fixed.