Odd Monster Conversions

[ShinDangaioh]

Has anyone tried to do up some of the odder monsters found in other RPG's or general monster books?

I think theese came from Arduin or All The World's Monsters.

Vorpal Bunnies
Blast Puppies
Kill Kittens

Air Shark from Tunnels and Trolls

[Rob_Knotts]

My Bullette write up is already overdue. Signature monster of mine, and my players will almost be disappoined if it doesn't show in early in my FH game ;)

Right now I'm giving some thought to Mind flayers ( :rolleyes: ). The psychic powers almost too easy in Hero, the problem is the whole brain-sucking ability (kinda hard to do an "instant kill" attack in Hero ).

[Old Man]

Instant kill? Dude, you're the GM. Simply define the mind flayer's attack as a 10d6 RKA AVLD penetrating autofire vs. ego does body difficult to dispel +1 stun mult. That should be sufficiently insta and kill.

[Lord Liaden]

Or just apply the Hit Location rules: brain sucking would have to count as a Head Shot, which is 2X Body damage for a Killing Attack. If you need to bring the cost of the attack down you could probably justify a Limitation, "only for a called shot to the head."

[Hierax]

My Bullette write up is already overdue. Signature monster of mine, and my players will almost be disappoined if it doesn't show in early in my FH game ;)
Mike Surbrook has a good write-up of a Bullette:
http://www.devermore.net/surbrook/adaptionscreatures/dnd/bulette.html


Right now I'm giving some thought to Mind flayers ( :rolleyes: ). The psychic powers almost too easy in Hero, the problem is the whole brain-sucking ability (kinda hard to do an "instant kill" attack in Hero ).
FWIW, I've been working on a mind flayer write-up myself, here's a link to my current rough draft:

http://www.hierax.com/hero/fantasy/grey/monster/illithid.pdf

I've still gotta work the bugs out of it but, basically, here's how it works: 1) the target is grabbed, 2) the tentacles cut through the skull, 3) the brain is sucked out.

1) ~ Martial Grab

2) Skull Cutting Tentacles: HKA 1d6-1 (10 Base Points); Armor Piercing (+½), Autofire (x4; +½), Inherent (+¼), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1) (+2¼; 32 Active Points); Strength Does Not Add (-½) (21 Real Points).

3) Brain Sucking Maw: HKA 3d6+1 (50 Base Points); Continuous (+1), NND (+1; no brain), Does BODY (+1) (200 Active Points); Concentration (0 dcv throughout; -?), Extra Time (Full Turn; -?), All four tentacles must have hit and grabbed first (-?), Skull Cutting Tentacles must have inflicted BODY Damage (-?), Linked to Skull Cutting Tentacles (-?).

I've based this on the fact taht the Brain Suck is supposed to kill in 1-4 D&D Rounds which equal HERO Turns:

On average, this will take your average "0-level" man-at-arms down below 0 BODY so that he starts dying the first Turn at maximum it will pretty much kill him outright. Even at a minimum it will kill a peasant in 4 Turns. [3d6+1 RKA = Minimum Effect 4 BODY, Standard Effect 10 BODY, Average Effect 11.5 BODY, Maximum Effect 19 BODY]

Using Hit Locations for this, as suggested above, a smaller HKA would suffice - and I think might just do that in my next revision.

[Susano]

Originally posted by Hierax
Mike Surbrook has a good write-up of a Bullette:
http://www.devermore.net/surbrook/adaptionscreatures/dnd/bulette.html


That wasn't me. It was sent in to me. And anyone who wants to send me more can go right ahead! :D

[AnotherSkip]

Need to do some Tin golems and Jello cubes also.....

[AnotherSkip]

Need to do some Tin golems and Jello cubes also.....

[AnotherSkip]

Need to do some Tin golems and Jello cubes also.....

[AnotherSkip]

Need to do some Tin golems and Jello cubes also.....

[Shaddakim]

Originally posted by AnotherSkip
Need to do some Tin golems and Jello cubes also.....

Same post three times? Sounds like you've been doing some jello shots at least...
:D

[Old Man]

I thought the brain sucking attack was an INT Drain (in D&D). INT Drain would work for Hero too with a really long recovery time or requiring Heal INT.

[Old Man]

Oh Yeah and speaking of purple worms....How do you do the "Swallows Target Whole" thing?

[Hierax]

I thought the brain sucking attack was an INT Drain (in D&D). INT Drain would work for Hero too with a really long recovery time or requiring Heal INT.

In D&D, Mind Flayers latch on with the tentacles and kill the victim in 1-4 rounds, which is what I'm trying to simulate.

But a Drain is a cool variant! I'd probably go with INT, EGO, and PRE all at once, in that case, so that it drained all of the mental abilities not just INT. Hmmm....

[Killer Shrike]

Id just make it a Drain Body. They either kill you or the dont. ;)

[Vondy]

The problem with drain is that the character will recover from it. If part of your brain is gone its not coming back.

I would do it as a killing attack that had to follow a successful grab on the head with the tentacles. Any lasting effects could be simulated by permanent disabling.

[The Mad GM]

Swallowing opponent whole would be a really big grab attack, can affect all limbs and senses, with a linked HKA - teeth. And if they get down the throat, NND, can't breathe, possibly an NND killing attack for stomach acid. One worm can only 'grab' one person at a time, so for really big ones, add area of effect.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by D-Man
The problem with drain is that the character will recover from it. If part of your brain is gone its not coming back.

I would do it as a killing attack that had to follow a successful grab on the head with the tentacles. Any lasting effects could be simulated by permanent disabling.

Yes, that is LOGICAL -- but we are talking about a D&D monster here so logic doesnt really enter into it ;)

IIRC in D&D there are no lasting effects if you are able to survive a Mind Flayers brain-suck. Either they kill you or they dont.

In the HERO System you could take the opportunity to make it more 'realistic' you could make it into a Transform: Person into Lobotomized Person, or a Drain vs INT with a Fade Rate bought down to 'not in this lifetime'. Hardly seems sporting though ;)

[Vondy]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Yes, that is LOGICAL -- but we are talking about a D&D monster here so logic doesnt really enter into it ;)



My mistake... carry on :D

[AlHazred]

Originally posted by The Mad GM
Swallowing opponent whole would be a really big grab attack, can affect all limbs and senses, with a linked HKA - teeth. And if they get down the throat, NND, can't breathe, possibly an NND killing attack for stomach acid. One worm can only 'grab' one person at a time, so for really big ones, add area of effect.

I believe the current "thing" is to use an Entangle with a Limitation to reflect the fact that the Entangling character takes the damage done to the Entangle. Not that there's anything wrong with the Grab method; it's just that I think that Entangle (or some variant) will be used in the books...

[AnotherSkip]

I Dont think we need to worry, after all we all know people who memorise the books completely (heck i still have the entire 1E MM in my head......)and we can just use the "unoffical" sugestions here to liven things up.....

[zarglif69]

look, guys, if you want to play D&D, go ahead and PLAY D&D. by using the Hero system to simulate D&D, you are eliminating Hero's greatest aspect (its versatility and flexibility). D&D SUCKS!!!! HERO RULES!!!!!

[mattingly]

INT Drain would work for Hero too with a really long recovery time or requiring Heal INT.
How about an INT Drain that... DOES BODY (+1)? Bwa ha ha ha!

[The_Saint]

I am currently working on conversions from ICEs Shadow World(based on Rolemaster) to Hero System.For example super-fast Shards,whose legendary leader Shar-Bu can kill with a smile or the dreaded Heralds of the Night,riding on black unicorns.If anyone already has conversions and/or package deals,you are wlecome...

[AnotherSkip]

At least Im not doing Tin Shots!!!!!!!!

Hmmm IIRC the jello required a save to survive being strangled by the jello Cubes, so What I would do would be to have a 1-4d6 NND Does body, continuous, 1 recoverable charge, Side effects (dies if opponent makes his save..........)