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Supreme
Feb 20th, '03, 11:25 AM
I brought this up once before, but I didn't get much of a response. How disadvantageous is being 'Watched' as opposed to a full-blown hunted? I mean, really, since they don't do anything but watch you, what's the danger or problem. The only time I ever saw a watched character have a problem with his watchers was when he took "IRS" as a watched and they showed up one day to audit him and search the house. He had to go through some hoops to keep the IRS from discovering his hidden base, and he had to miss a significant encounter to handle this.

MisterVimes
Feb 20th, '03, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Supreme
I brought this up once before, but I didn't get much of a response. How disadvantageous is being 'Watched' as opposed to a full-blown hunted? I mean, really, since they don't do anything but watch you, what's the danger or problem. The only time I ever saw a watched character have a problem with his watchers was when he took "IRS" as a watched and they showed up one day to audit him and search the house. He had to go through some hoops to keep the IRS from discovering his hidden base, and he had to miss a significant encounter to handle this.

My impression was that watched sort of morphed into a hunted when what they were watching for occured... or at least that's how I always ran it. Also, watched by agency x allowed them to interfere and call in favors, more of a duty really.

Klytus
Feb 20th, '03, 01:47 PM
Almost every hero in my games is Watched by PATRIOT (my version of PRIMUS). The theory being that any metahuman using their powers publicly is a potential threat. They need to be monitored closely so that if there is a need to take them down, they have as complete a picture of theri powers and abilities as possible.

Secret Magical Societies might be watching anybody with latent or visible magical powers to see if they will become a threat.

In any event, the reason Watched is a disad is because should a time ever come when the Watchers decide to come after you, they are likely to have comprehensive info, which will definately put you at a disadvantage.

DrSavant
Feb 20th, '03, 04:05 PM
Don't take the word "Watched" too literally is my first suggestion. But consider the following examples;

Watched by Police/Parole officer
[person on parole]
(They check up on you, more then likely know
your secret ID, you can't leave the city
without permission)

Watched by Trainer
[you are a ' new mutant' who has someone
MORE powerful disciplining them]
(They control your entire day- when you train,
when you go out on a mission, when you study etc)

Watched by Parents
[ a minor- with curfew,chores,etc]
(otherwise see above; "trainer")

Watched by News Reporter(s)/ Media
[They can make your life heck
(especially if it's a Jimmy Dugan clone).
For instance; they can print things about you
in the newspaper/on radio/t.v. etc.
This can affect the public's view of you]

Watched by (Insert diety's/demon's name)
[ for those who have Godlike powers or are
gods themselves etc]
They have MORE power then YOU and
100% know everything about you. 'Nuf said?

nblade
Feb 20th, '03, 04:30 PM
Hey lets not forget Watched by the Press (or should that be Hounded by the press)

Cybernaut
Feb 20th, '03, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by DrSavant
Don't take the word "Watched" too literally is my first suggestion. But consider the following examples;

Watched by Police/Parole officer
[person on parole]
(They check up on you, more then likely know
your secret ID, you can't leave the city
without permission)

Watched by Trainer
[you are a ' new mutant' who has someone
MORE powerful disciplining them]
(They control your entire day- when you train,
when you go out on a mission, when you study etc)

Watched by Parents
[ a minor- with curfew,chores,etc]
(otherwise see above; "trainer")

Watched by News Reporter(s)/ Media
[They can make your life heck
(especially if it's a Jimmy Dugan clone).
For instance; they can print things about you
in the newspaper/on radio/t.v. etc.
This can affect the public's view of you]

Watched by (Insert diety's/demon's name)
[ for those who have Godlike powers or are
gods themselves etc]
They have MORE power then YOU and
100% know everything about you. 'Nuf said?
Most of those would more appropriately be Social Limitations. The last one will work though...

tmutant
Feb 21st, '03, 06:35 AM
I think you hit on it with the IRS thing. A watcher does things that aren't attacks , per se, that can screw up your life none the less. PRIMUS or the equivalent can show up at your work place, flash the badge, ask alot of questions, and get your boss and co-workers looking at you funny. Or a reporter with a telephoto lens gets a fuzzy picture of you doing you're Superman in the phone booth impression. Essentially a watched is a social threat, rather than a physical one. That's my take on it anyway.

Mavnn
Feb 21st, '03, 07:13 AM
I thought about this a bit when doing my write up of Lei Wulong (a maverick cop from Tekkan). I considered giving him a Social Lim must obey orders, but in the end gave him a 'Watched by UNTIL' instead - the reason? He's not forced to follow orders, and frequently doesn't, but he does have to make sure UNTIL doesn't know - or else they will begin to act against him (take away his license, start disciplinary procedures, be forced to overturn convictions of criminals he captures).

On the other hand, they're not going to jump him in a back alley and try and beat him to death (hunted).

Thats my take, anyway.

Michael