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Hermit

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:07 PM

I've done something like this before, but I'm curious agian. When you folks make a hero who's basically a Weapon Master Archetype, what's your poison? Which weapon is your favorite one for a character to use and master?

MisterVimes

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:22 PM

GUNS! Here's my favorite... He's an Ex-CIA Spook that terrifies then entire team...

Bushmaster

Player: NPC - Serpent Syndicate

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20  </td><td>STR</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">35  </td><td>DEX</td><td>75</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>CON</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>BODY</td><td>16</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>INT</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">28  </td><td>EGO</td><td>36</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>PRE</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>COM</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">15/30  </td><td>PD</td><td>11</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15/30  </td><td>ED</td><td>9</td></tr><tr><td align="right">8  </td><td>SPD</td><td>35</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15  </td><td>REC</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">60  </td><td>STUN</td><td>17</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 291

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">36  </td><td>Body Armor: Armor (15 PD/15 ED) (45 Active Points); IIF (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">8  </td><td>Shades: Flash Defense (10 points) (Sight Group) (10 Active Points); IIF (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">8  </td><td>Spy-Com: Radio Perception/Transmission (10 Active Points); IIF (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">  </td><td> </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">32  </td><td>M-1911A-5 Magnums: Multipower, 52-point reserve, all slots: 16 Clips of 12 Charges (+1/4) (65 Active Points); OAF (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">2u  </td><td>1) HEAP: Killing Attack - Ranged 1d6 (vs. PD), +1 STUN Multiplier (+1/4), NND Hardened (+1), Does BODY (+1) (49 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">2u  </td><td>2) Magnum: Killing Attack - Ranged 3d6 -1 (vs. PD), +1 STUN Multiplier (+1/4) (50 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">3u  </td><td>3) SLAP: Killing Attack - Ranged 2d6 +1 (vs. PD), Armor Piercing x1 (+1/2) (52 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">  </td><td> </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">27  </td><td>Backup: Killing Attack - Ranged 2d6 (vs. PD), +2 STUN Multiplier (+1/2), Armor Piercing (+1/2) (60 Active Points); OAF (-1), 12 Charges (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">  </td><td> </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">60  </td><td>Grenades: Multipower, 90-point reserve, all slots: (90 Active Points); OIF (grenade belt) (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">3u  </td><td>1) Fragmentation Grenade: Killing Attack - Ranged 3d6 (vs. PD), +2 STUN Multiplier (+1/2), Explosion (+1/2) (90 Active Points); OAF (-1), 4 Charges (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">3u  </td><td>2) Trang Gas Grenade: Energy Blast 6d6 (vs. PD), Area Of Effect (6" Radius; +1), No Normal Defense (Self-Contained Breathing) Standard (+1) (90 Active Points); OAF (-1), 4 Charges (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">4u  </td><td>3) Smoke Grenade: Darkness to Sight Group 9" radius (90 Active Points); OAF (-1), 4 Continuing Charges lasting 1 Turn each (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">30  </td><td>Fragmentation Grenade: Killing Attack - Ranged 3d6 (vs. PD), +2 STUN Multiplier (+1/2), Explosion (+1/2) (90 Active Points); OAF (-1), 4 Charges (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">30  </td><td>Trang Gas Grenade: Energy Blast 6d6 (vs. PD), Area Of Effect (6" Radius; +1), No Normal Defense (Self-Contained Breathing) Standard (+1) (90 Active Points); OAF (-1), 4 Charges (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">36  </td><td>Smoke Grenade: Darkness to Sight Group 9" radius (90 Active Points); OAF (-1), 4 Continuing Charges lasting 1 Turn each (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">  </td><td> </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">37  </td><td>Combat Awareness: Spatial Awareness (Analyze, Discriminatory, Increased Arc of Perception: 360-Degree) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">  </td><td> </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">6  </td><td>Wrist Communicator: High Range Radio Perception (12 Active Points); Sense Affected As Sight And Hearing Group As Well As Radio Group (-1/2), OIF (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">  </td><td> </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">20  </td><td>Otherworldly: Power Defense (20 points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">5  </td><td>Strange: +5 Mental Defense (11 points total) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Guts: +20 PRE (20 Active Points); Only to resist Presence Attacks Power loses about half of its effectiveness (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 362

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Martial Arts Maneuver</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td>Gun Mastery </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>1) Basic Shot: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, Range +2, Strike, +5 DC [Notes: +2d6-1 RKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>2) Defensive Shot: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, +2 DCV, Range +0, Strike +3 DC [Notes: +1d6 RKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>3) Distance Shot: 1+1 Phase, +0 OCV, -2 DCV, Range +6, Strike +3 DC , +1 Segment [Notes: +1d6 RKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>4) Far Shot: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +4, Strike +3 DC [Notes: +1d6 RKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>5) Offensive Ranged Disarm: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +2, Disarm, +25 STR [Notes: 70 STR] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>6) Offensive Shot: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +0, Strike, +7 DC [Notes: +2d6+1 RKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>7) Quick Shot: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +0 DCV, Range +0, Strike, +5 DC [Notes: +2d6-1 RKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>8) Ranged Disarm: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, Range +0, Disarm, +30 STR [Notes: 75 STR] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">12  </td><td>9) +3 Ranged Damage Class(es) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>10) Weapon Element: Handguns </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td>Kung Fu </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>1) Choke Hold: 1/2 Phase, -2 OCV, +0 DCV, Grab One Limb; 4d6 NND [Notes: 4d6 NND] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>2) Defensive Block: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +3 DCV, Block, Abort [Notes: 4d6] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>3) Killing Strike: 1/2 Phase, -2 OCV, +0 DCV, HKA 1d6 +1 [Notes: 2 1/2d6 HKA] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>4) Martial Dodge: 1/2 Phase, -- OCV, +5 DCV, Dodge, Affects All Attacks, Abort </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>5) Martial Strike: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +2 DCV, STR +6d6 Strike [Notes: 10d6] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>6) Offensive Strike: 1/2 Phase, -2 OCV, +1 DCV, STR +8d6 Strike [Notes: 12d6] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">16  </td><td>7) +4 HTH Damage Class(es) </td></tr></table>Martial Arts Cost: 89

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>+2 Overall </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">16  </td><td>+2 with All Combat </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>+2 vs. Range modifiers </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td> </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Accurate Sprayfire </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acting 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Analyze: Combat 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Breakfall 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Bugging 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Climbing 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Combat Driving 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Concentrated Sprayfire </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Computer Programming 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Cramming  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Criminology 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Deduction 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Demolitions 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Electronics 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Fast Draw 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Forensic Medicine 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Interrogation 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>KS: CIA (INT-based) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>KS: The Espionage World (INT-based) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>KS: The Military/Mercenary/Terrorist World (INT-based) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>KS: Metahumanity (INT-based) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>KS: Metahumans (INT-based) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Lockpicking 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Paramedics 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>PS: Soldier 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>PS: Spy 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Rapid Attack (Ranged)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Security Systems 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Shadowing 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Skipover Sprayfire </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Stealth 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Streetwise 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Survival (Desert, Mountain, Temperate/Subtropical, Tropical, Urban) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Tactics 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 16- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Tracking 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Two-Weapon Fighting (Ranged)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>TF: Common Motorized Ground Vehicles, Helicopters, Two-Wheeled Motorized Ground Vehicles </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">7  </td><td>WF: Common Melee Weapons, General Purpose/Heavy Machine Guns, Grenade Launchers, Shoulder-Fired Weapons, Small Arms </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Weaponsmith 13- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 188

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Computer Link [Notes: Hacked] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>Reputation (A medium-sized group; 14-) +3/+3d6 </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 16

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Absolute Range Sense </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Danger Sense (Intuitional, Sensitivity: Any Danger) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Lightsleep </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 26

Total Character Cost: 972

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Distinctive Features: Bald man with a red tie (Concealable; Noticed and Recognizable; Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Enraged: When he feels he's been made a fool of (Uncommon), go 11-, recover 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Hunted: CIA 8- (As Pow; Harshly Punish; Extensive Non-Combat Influence) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Cold blooded killer (Common; Strong) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Assassin's Code: No Kids, No Non-Combatants (Common; Total) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Reputation: Spooky Killer 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Frequently; Major) </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 100

Base Points: 250
Experience Required: 622
Total Experience Available: 622
Experience Unspent: 0

Enforcer84

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:26 PM

Hammers and Maces. I am a Brick Affectionado and the Bludgeoning weapon is a Brick weapon.

megaplayboy

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:26 PM

I've always wanted to write up an escrimador...

and I do have an NPC mutant(Kali) assassin with 4 arms---

hmmm....can you buy 2 weapon fighting twice and make it...

4 weapon fighting?

:D :D :D

JohnathanChance

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:38 PM

Hmm, the only weapon master I have ever made used guns so that's what I voted on, as far as a favorite type of weapon for a weapon master, i would actually be willing to go with swords, namely the whole swashbuckler deal rapier and main-gauche.
By the way Mega, you only need by two weapon fighting and ambidex once for it to apply to all foru arms :D

Vanguard00

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:46 PM

I'm pretty much a "theme of the moment" kinda guy. In other words, it depends on what I'm in the mood for, or what the game calls for, or what the character ends up telling me (yes, my characters talk to me...sort of). I don't have a favorite that I use more than any other. Previous weapons masters have used guns, bows, staves, swords, and hammers, and chain.

My favorite character, though, was a sword wielder. He had a handgun as a backup weapon, but the sword was the thing.

Vanguard00

Jul 22nd, '03, 01:58 PM

lemming

Jul 22nd, '03, 02:33 PM

The various weapon's masters that I've played have used:
Energy Sword
Guns
Triple Irons
Anything Sharp
Explosives
A giant Scalpel
Automobiles (oh wait, that's just for the brick vs. martial artist)

I'm sure I'm blanking on some.

winterhawk

Jul 22nd, '03, 03:01 PM

Gotta go with the shield...its versatile and you can paint your logo right on it!

Nuadha

Jul 22nd, '03, 03:01 PM

Jubei was the only weapons-master I've ever created and his weapon of choice was the katana, of course. The downfall of a sword-master is you can't help but be deadly when you master a killing weapon.

His sword wasn't magical or anything. He just had a real sword that he was really good with. It made it interesting when he was fighting super-powered bad-guys.

Marchwarden

Jul 22nd, '03, 03:58 PM

Bow of the Galadhrim and a pair of long-handled woodland knives, and enough DEX and COM to cause pandemic swoonage.

pinecone

Jul 22nd, '03, 04:04 PM

I don't really have a favorite,though I guess if I had to pick Two gun fighting is just cool...I would probibly make up a "Throw master" Lin kue type the next time I create a character though.....

RadeFox

Jul 22nd, '03, 04:15 PM

Just had to say, a 972 pt character SHOULD terrify your team. Good gods of dice!! He's as big as Mechanon and Dr. Destroyer. I feel for that group having ex-cia op's like this. OF course, the PCs could be 2K pts, so who knows. To each their own. :p

OddHat

Jul 22nd, '03, 04:33 PM

BARMAN Floyd Hooker

Player:

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>STR</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">26  </td><td>DEX</td><td>48</td></tr><tr><td align="right">23  </td><td>CON</td><td>26</td></tr><tr><td align="right">15  </td><td>BODY</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">23  </td><td>INT</td><td>13</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20  </td><td>EGO</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25  </td><td>PRE</td><td>15</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>COM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">15/33  </td><td>PD</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13/28  </td><td>ED</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>SPD</td><td>24</td></tr><tr><td align="right">11  </td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">46  </td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">42  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 187

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">25  </td><td>One More Drink Before I Go: Healing 1 BODY (Can Heal Limbs, Resurrection), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (70 Active Points); Extra Time (Regeneration-Only) 1 Turn (Post-Segment 12) (-1 1/4), Self Only (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">5  </td><td>Red Eye Still In My System: Life Support , Longevity: Immortal </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">6  </td><td>Been around a long, long time: +6 Mental Defense (10 points total) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">75  </td><td>Variable Power Pool (Gadget Pool), 50 base + 25 control cost (75 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">0  </td><td>1) Armored Clothing: Armor (18 PD/15 ED) (50 Active Points); Ablative BODY or STUN (-1), OIF (-1/2), Real Armor (-1/4) Real Cost: 18 </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">0  </td><td>2) Wooden Indian Kung-Fu: Hand-To-Hand Attack +4d6, Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2) (30 Active Points); OAF (-1), Hand-To-Hand Attack (-1/2) Real Cost: 12 [Notes: Wooden Indian Figure, treat as club for purposes of MA.] </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">0  </td><td>3) Whiskey Spray: Flash 5d6 (Sight Group) (25 Active Points); 1 Charges (-2), OAF (-1), Does Not Work Against Desolidified Characters (-1/4) Real Cost: 6 </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 111

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Martial Arts Maneuver</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">8  </td><td>Weapon Element: Clubs, Fist-Loads, Homemade Weapons, Polearms and Spears, Staffs, Thrown Knives, Axes, and Darts, Thrown Rocks, Two-Handed Weapons [Notes: Everything found in a bar is a deadly weapon.] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Defensive Strike: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +3 DCV, STR Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Defensive Throw: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +1 DCV, Block, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Disarming Throw: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, Grab Weapon, +5 STR to take weapon away; Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Grappling Block: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +1 DCV, Grab One Limb, Block </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Grappling Throw: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +2 DCV, STR +2d6 Strike; Target Falls; Must Follow Grab </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Offensive Strike: 1/2 Phase, -2 OCV, +1 DCV, STR +4d6 Strike </td></tr></table>Martial Arts Cost: 34

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 14- [Notes: From over a century of avoiding Mrs.Hooker's attacks] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acting 14- [Notes: "Yes, dear."] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Analyze: Style 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Analyze: Combat 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Defense Maneuver: I-IV [Notes: Several lifetimes of bar-room brawling.] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Demolitions 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Electronics 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Fast Draw 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Gambling (Card Games, Dice Games) 14- [Notes: Over a century of avoiding going back to bed.] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Inventor 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Mechanics 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Lockpicking 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Conversation 14- [Notes: Over a century of tending bar] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Persuasion 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Streetwise 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Security Systems 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Stealth 14- [Notes: For sneaking back into the room late at night.] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Tactics 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">14  </td><td>WF: Common Martial Arts Melee Weapons, Common Melee Weapons, Common Missile Weapons, Early Firearms, Flails, Garrote, Homemade Weapons, Small Arms, Staffs [Notes: You name it, he used it.] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>+2 Overall [Notes: Lots and lots of experience.] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Jack of All Trades </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>1) PS: Bartender (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>2) PS: Carpenter (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>3) PS: Smith (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>4) PS: Brewer (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Linguist </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>1) Language: Latin (basic conversation; literate) (2 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>2) Language: Spanish (fluent conversation) (2 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>3) Language: Cantonese (fluent conversation) (2 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>4) Language: German (fluent conversation) (2 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Scholar </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>1) KS: Occult History (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>2) KS: American History (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>3) KS: The Occult World (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>4) KS: Lore of the Bar (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Scientist </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>1) SS: Chemistry (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>2) SS: Folk Medicine (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>3) SS: Metalurgy (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>4) SS: German Hex-Magic (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Traveler </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>1) AK: Mexico (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>2) AK: North America (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>3) AK: The American West (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 141

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Money: Wealthy </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Reputation (A medium-sized group; 11-) +2/+2d6 </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Reputation (A medium-sized group; 11-) +2/+2d6 </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>Fringe Benefit: License to practice a profession, Membership [Notes: Member of the Rough Mechanicals,
Licensed Saloon Owner] </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 20

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>Combat Luck (3 PD/3 ED) </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 6

Total Character Cost: 499

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Social Limitation: Public ID (Frequently; Major) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Hunted: Demon 8- (Mo Pow; Harshly Punish; Extensive Non-Combat Influence; PC has a Public ID or is otherwise very easy to find) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Hunted: Western Super Villain Teams 11- (As Pow; Harshly Punish; Limited Geographical Area; PC has a Public ID or is otherwise very easy to find) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Bartender's Code of Honor (Very Common; Strong) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Devoted to Wife and the team (Common; Total) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Curiosity (Very Common; Moderate) </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 110

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 189
Total Experience Available: 189
Experience Unspent: 0

OddHat

Jul 22nd, '03, 04:37 PM

Martial Artist / Gadgeteer / Weapon's Master: Floyd "Barman" Hooker. Skinny potbellied 182 year old bartender alchemist, can turn anything found in a bar into a deadly weapon. Brewed the Eternal Red Eye that created the Rough Mechanicals. Shouldn't have mixed in those funny mushrooms from the meteor crater in the Indian burial grounds.

MisterVimes

Jul 22nd, '03, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by RadeFox
Just had to say, a 972 pt character SHOULD terrify your team. Good gods of dice!! He's as big as Mechanon and Dr. Destroyer. I feel for that group having ex-cia op's like this. OF course, the PCs could be 2K pts, so who knows. To each their own. :p

The PCs are at about 450 now. Bushmaster is pretty much a solo villain. He's an assassin, it's more "Save the Target!" than "Whip that Guy's butt!"

aylwin13

Jul 22nd, '03, 08:26 PM

For a full-blown weaponmaster its got to be swords. Especially a samurai with two blades, although a fencer with a rapier or Aragorn with his longsword... they're all good.

Dauntless

Jul 22nd, '03, 08:53 PM

I happen to think a real weaponmaster wouldn't know just one weapon. If you told a samurai to only concentrate on the katana, he'd probably give you a wild-eyed stare...or a glaring one. Weapons all have their place for different situations. Just as modern martial artists are discovering through reality fights that there is no one ultimate style, I think it would be foolhardy for a weaponmaster to concentrate totally on one weapon.

He may be better at some weapons than others having focused on their usage or just having a natural aptitude with one. Take Miyamoto Musashi who defeated Sasaki Kojiro with a wooden stick he found. Musashi excelled at the sword, but he defeated Japan's second greatest swordsman with a club (utlizing sword techniques of course but if you've ever practiced with a metal blade and a bokken or suburi, you know how differnt they can be). However, Musashi's one defeat came at the hands of Muso Gonnosuke who knew both the bo staff as well as the jo staff (and defeated Musashi with the Jo Staff). Or in fiction, remember how Quigley (Tom Selleck's character from Quigley Down Under) defeated the villain at the end with a pistol even though he was mostly shown as being a sniper ("I didn't say I couldn't use a pistol, I just don't like them").

That being said, I think having a certain focus on a weapon or two is nice. I'm currently writing up a character (once I finish digesting The Ultimate Martial Artist) that has practiced mostly Chinese weapons, including the two handed tai chi sword, the bandit sword/chai-dao, whip chain and twin broadswords. His favorite however will either be the bo-staff or the bandit sword. There's something regal about staff's...an elegance of being something extremely simple.

Kristopher

Jul 22nd, '03, 09:03 PM

What's the scholarly concensus on Musashi's record? I was under the impression that he was never defeated.

Dauntless

Jul 22nd, '03, 10:15 PM

Musashi's history is a bit cloudy, and some scholars even question whether he existed or was actually more than one man that got combined into one extraordinary person. Sort of like how Robin Hood was probably a real person (or more than one person) but history has clouded the exact origins.

By some sources only one recorded defeat by the aforementioned Muso Gonnosuke tarnishes Musashi's record. Actually in their first encounter, Musashi defeated Muso when the latter was armed with a bo staff, and uncharacteristically spared his life (apparently Musashi was only using a very small branch he was whittling away with when Gonnosuke challenged Musashi). The next time they fought, Muso used the short staff and defeated Musashi.

According to one story I saw, Musashi said he could have defeated Muso, but the only way to have done so would have been to kill him, which he was loathe to do seeing how skilled Muso was. So he "allowed" Muso to win. Whether that's Musashi's ego talking or not is up to debate.

There's a good write up of all this here (http://www.koryubooks.com/library/wmuromoto1.html)

CrosshairCollie

Jul 23rd, '03, 03:38 AM

While I confess, like a certain comic-strip character, I Like Swords, I voted bow. Hawkeye is my favorite, and the trick-arrow multipower is one of the most disgusting examples of versatility I've ever seen.

Crimson Arrow

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:01 AM

Not a tough one to guess which I went for.:)

"V"

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:17 AM

Knife/Bayonet.

They don't like it up em. (Apparently)

Crimson Arrow

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by "V"
Knife/Bayonet.

They don't like it up em. (Apparently)

Don't panic, don't panic!

:D

"V"

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:24 AM

I've really got to start writing up the Warmington on Sea platoon as low level supers for a Golden Age campaign...

Frazer: We'rrrrre all doooooomed (Precognition 21-)

Crimson Arrow

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:34 AM

I was about to start asking questions like is Pike Sgt. Wilson's DNPC, when I realised it was a) Incredibly off topic and b) will confuse the heck out of 90% (I'd guess) of the people here. :D

See you in "Other Genres" "V".

Syberdwarf2

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:49 AM

I had to go with the sword. As the poll said, you can't go wrong with a classic.
Just look at some of the weaponmasters from literature and movies/TV.....

Elric
Conan
Dar, the Beastmaster (Marc Singer, not the TV version or the later movies)
Rutger Hauer's characters from Ladyhawke and Blind Fury

(I know there are others, but it's early and the caffiene hasn't soaked into my brain yet)

talisman

Jul 23rd, '03, 05:35 AM

I like the staff. You can all kinds of neat "other" effects without losing the essence of the weapon:
Superleap: polevaulting
Martial Maneuvers: tripping is martial throw, being choked with a staff is brutal, disarm with stretching
Stretching: Staves are usually an extra six feet or so...
Hand to Hand attack is obvious
Missle deflection and reflection: at least blocking arrows

Something I rarely see is a "ninja" archer. Archers always seem to have a dozen or more "trick" arrows, but you rarely see an archer who has just normal arrows, great stealth, and some effects that come from his/her incredible aim.

AnotherSkip

Jul 23rd, '03, 05:57 AM

Usually ninja boy's have swords and no arrows.
:)
Besides being a ninja is more than mastering a sword or a bow just like being a samurai, or Robin Hood is about being more than Master of th Katana or the Bow

"Another urban myth dispelled, ninja's don't bounce"-the Tick

and I love the concept of "The Shoveler"
"....and im good at Shoveling"-The Shoveler

besides you need Unarmed,
"my fists are registered as deadly weapons"-They Call Me Bruce

Sheilds? Sheilds are good too.

Can I go with Jack of All Trades, Master of None?

:)

Arkham

Jul 23rd, '03, 07:34 AM

I had to go with things that shouldn't be weapons...

My last/favorite weaponmaster was a man named
Roger. Wandering monk, master of the Garden
Shears... Shrubberies are his trade. He is a shrubber.

Doug McCrae

Jul 23rd, '03, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Syberdwarf2

Just look at some of the weaponmasters from literature and movies/TV.....

ElricI'd have said Stormbringer was a peoplemaster rather than Elric being a weaponmaster.

Worldmaker

Jul 23rd, '03, 10:48 AM

I think the best weapon master I ever played was a master of the yo-yo and a master of the long silk scarf.

assault

Jul 23rd, '03, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by talisman
I like the staff. You can all kinds of neat "other" effects without losing the essence of the weapon:
...

Something I rarely see is a "ninja" archer. Archers always seem to have a dozen or more "trick" arrows, but you rarely see an archer who has just normal arrows, great stealth, and some effects that come from his/her incredible aim.

You are quite right about the staff. In fact, if the poll had had the ability to chose a second preference, staff would have been it.

As it was, I chose bow, and the reason for this is named "Green Arrow". In particular, I was thinking about the period in the late '80s/early '90s when he ditched the trick arrows and concentrated entirely on his skills. _That_ was a weapons master.

Of course, he also used staff and unarmed martial arts, and I think once he might have even picked up an Uzi... (Black Canary certainly did in the same fight.) All of this is entirely normal for a well rounded combatant.

Not all weapons masters are necessarily well rounded combatants, of course, but the really cool ones are...

Alan

Doug McCrae

Jul 23rd, '03, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by assault
Of course, he also used staff and unarmed martial arts, and I think once he might have even picked up an Uzi... (Black Canary certainly did in the same fight.) All of this is entirely normal for a well rounded combatant.

Not all weapons masters are necessarily well rounded combatants, of course, but the really cool ones are...I think the use of the staff may have been a Robin Hood reference. The uzi is less easily explained though.

Actually I think mono-weapon masters are cooler precisely because they're less realistic. Real life isn't cool. It's dirty and smelly.

assault

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Doug McCrae
I think the use of the staff may have been a Robin Hood reference. The uzi is less easily explained though.

Actually I think mono-weapon masters are cooler precisely because they're less realistic. Real life isn't cool. It's dirty and smelly.

Yes, the staff was a Robin Hood thing. On occasion I think he might have actually used his bow as a staff. It wouldn't be good for it, but at close quarters...

The Uzi, if it happened, was during a situation where a lot of "stuff" was flying around. In other words, it was a "found" weapon.

If I was building a skill-based, normal bashing Green Arrow, I might be tempted to give him a weapons pool, on the understanding that it would be almost always assigned to his bow, but with an option for other gear. Allowing characters to use found weapons is fine up to a point, but charging them a few points for the privilege is better... As long as it doesn't encourage them to do it all the time, of course.

The whole point of the skills based "back to basics" Green Arrow was that he became more of a "realistic" street level character, who didn't use cinematic trick arrows and stuff. As such, his use of staff and martial arts was entirely reasonable, as was the Uzi bit, in context.

If I was going to play a street level character, GA would be one of the models I would consider. It would certainly be a nice change from Batman clones, not to mention ugly and stupid gun-freak Punisher clones. Black Canary is pretty cool too. (So is the Question.)

I'm no great fan of sword-guys, particularly samurai sword-guys or ninja wannabes. Yuck. Someone else can have that particular archetype, as far as I'm concerned.

Alan

Doug McCrae

Jul 23rd, '03, 04:39 PM

What about the Shadow? He's cool.

Rachel

Jul 23rd, '03, 05:05 PM

Other - Utility Belt :)

Kevin Scrivner

Jul 23rd, '03, 05:09 PM

I've always been a fencing fan. One of my favorite thug bashers, the Crimson Cavalier, was a former silver screen swashbuckler who augmented his rapier with a trick cape and armored doublet.

I also like shields. I wrote up Zandor, the man who controls the Herculoids, who uses a sling and buckler. At only 150 or so points he's amazingly efficient

Name: Zandor

Val Char Cost
18 STR 8
15 DEX 15
13 CON 6
10 BODY
13 INT 3
11 EGO 2
15 PRE 5
14 COM 2
8 PD 4
8 ED 5
3 SPD 5
7 REC
26 END
26 STUN

Characteristic Rolls: STR: 13-, DEX: 12-, CON: 12-, INT: 12-, EGO: 11-, PER: 12-
Run: 9", Swim: 2", Jump: 3-1/2", Lift: 300 kg

Cost Powers END/Roll

6 +3" Running (Total 9")
7 Multipower, -1/2 limit OIF Buckler
u1 +3 DCV
u1 Gliding 9"
u1 +3D6 HA with Punch
u1 1D6-1 RKA (when thrown; always ricochets back into Zandor's hands)
22 6D6 EB, +1/2 adv Explosion, -1 limit OAF Sling

Cost Skills, Talents, Perks Roll

3 Acrobatics 12-
3 Animal Handler (Herculoids) 11-
3 Breakfall 12-
3 Climbing 12-
3 Concealment 12-
2 AK: Quasar 11-
3 Riding (Herculoids) 12-
3 Stealth 12-
5 Survival 12-
3 Tactics 12-
3 Tracking 12-
2 Transport Familiarity: Small Spaceships
2 Familiar with Missile Weapons
2 Familiar with Common Melee Weapons
6 +2 Levels with Buckler
6 +2 Levels with Slings
3 Contatct: Space Ghost 11-

100+ Disadvantages

10 DNPC 11-: Wife Tara, normal, useful skills
10 Reputation 11-: King of Amzot
20 Protector of Quasar, total
10 Protects Herculoids, uncommon, strong
25 Hunted 14-: Weird Invader of the Week, more powerful

OCV: 5 (7 with slings); DCV: 5 (8 with buckler); ECV: 4; Mental Def.: 0; Phases: 4, 8, 12
PD/rPD: 8/0 ; ED/rED: 8/0

Costs: Char.: 55 Disad.: 74
Powers: 94 + Base: + 75
Exp.: +
Total: = Total: = 149

Twilight

Jul 23rd, '03, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by assault
Yes, the staff was a Robin Hood thing. On occasion I think he might have actually used his bow as a staff. It wouldn't be good for it, but at close quarters...

The Uzi, if it happened, was during a situation where a lot of "stuff" was flying around. In other words, it was a "found" weapon.

If I was building a skill-based, normal bashing Green Arrow, I might be tempted to give him a weapons pool, on the understanding that it would be almost always assigned to his bow, but with an option for other gear. Allowing characters to use found weapons is fine up to a point, but charging them a few points for the privilege is better... As long as it doesn't encourage them to do it all the time, of course.

The whole point of the skills based "back to basics" Green Arrow was that he became more of a "realistic" street level character, who didn't use cinematic trick arrows and stuff. As such, his use of staff and martial arts was entirely reasonable, as was the Uzi bit, in context.

If I was going to play a street level character, GA would be one of the models I would consider. It would certainly be a nice change from Batman clones, not to mention ugly and stupid gun-freak Punisher clones. Black Canary is pretty cool too. (So is the Question.)

I'm no great fan of sword-guys, particularly samurai sword-guys or ninja wannabes. Yuck. Someone else can have that particular archetype, as far as I'm concerned.

Alan

I respectfully disagree. When done right the samurai swordpeople and the ninjas can be excellent characters.

Some examples of this from comicbooks: Katana of the Outsiders. Snake Eyes and Stormshadow from the old GI Joe comicbook.

Vondy

Jul 23rd, '03, 08:43 PM

The jaw bone of an ass

"V"

Jul 23rd, '03, 11:38 PM

An ox-goad?

Crimson Arrow

Jul 24th, '03, 12:11 AM

A "Tron" deadly disc? To those who think this is ludicrous, I can only refer to, uh, Frizbee was it (I can't recall how she spelled her nom de crime)? She was a 2nd (?) Ed character and not exactly the highpoint of interesting character design. IIRC, one slot for a Physical EB, one for an Energy EB, both based on her throwing discs.

Green Arrow using an uzi? Makes perfect sense. He was recently described as being able to nock 29 arrows a minute (always take this sort of thing with a pinch of salt mind you) ie almost exactly right for SPD 6! Anyway think how much higher the rate of fire is with a fully automatic weapon. No matter how good an archer you are, the uzi has a better rate of fire, can do Autofire tricks and is possibly more intimidating to a thug.

Brandi

Jul 24th, '03, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
A "Tron" deadly disc? To those who think this is ludicrous, I can only refer to, uh, Frizbee was it (I can't recall how she spelled her nom de crime)?

Well, Xena used a Chakram, which is essentially a kind of sharp-edged Frisbee, and I think the discus was originally a weapon, not just an Olympic sports item.

assault

Jul 24th, '03, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Doug McCrae
What about the Shadow? He's cool.

The Shadow is more or less Golden Age. There were a bunch of Golden Age gunwielders: Batman(!), the Phantom, the Crimson Avenger... Some of them later gave them up, but still...

I have a lot fewer problems with these characters than with the Punisher types. I'm not sure why - it's probably just the attitude. Or maybe it's the attitude of the players that play them.

Hmm, yeah, that's it. Anyone who plays a Shadow clone is someone who knows who the Shadow is. Anyone who plays a Punisher clone thinks that Uzis are cool. There is a difference. One is a person of education, culture and refinement. The other isn't.

And yes, incidentally, I did collect the DC modern-day Shadow series in the 80's. Very cool stuff, indeed, although it went a bit strange at the end. Anyway, it was still the Shadow, so his weaponry didn't matter. :)

Besides, the Shadow is much, much more than "just" a weapons master.

Alan

assault

Jul 24th, '03, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Twilight
I respectfully disagree. When done right the samurai swordpeople and the ninjas can be excellent characters.

Some examples of this from comicbooks: Katana of the Outsiders. Snake Eyes and Stormshadow from the old GI Joe comicbook.

Like I said, someone else can have the archetype. You're "someone else". :)

I've never read GI Joe. Katana never greatly impressed me.

Alan

Doug McCrae

Jul 24th, '03, 05:49 PM

I'll tell you who else is cool - Rose Tattoo, from Stormwatch. Mainly because she never speaks.

But at the very apex of the pyramid of coolness is Joe Pineapples from the ABC Warriors.

GrooveD70

Jul 24th, '03, 06:06 PM

Double sticks (escrima/kali) or a staff may seem boring at first, but check out some old Jet Li flicks and you'll get a feel for how kewl a charector can be with just a simple stick...

Rage

Jul 24th, '03, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by D-Man
The jaw bone of an ass
Speaking of Sampson, do you believe he actually was super strong or just a Super fighter? The only time when he seems to have Super Strength is when he kills himself with the temple falling down.

Vondy

Jul 24th, '03, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Rage
Speaking of Sampson, do you believe he actually was super strong or just a Super fighter? The only time when he seems to have Super Strength is when he kills himself with the temple falling down.

I believe he was an inspired and tenacious warrior.

The account of him pulling down the pagan temple could be interpreted as super-strength from a gamer-esque perspective, though the chassidut suggests it was a subtle miracle: he pulled and God knocked it over for him.

A martial artist... definately.

Rage

Jul 24th, '03, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by D-Man
I believe he was an inspired and tenacious warrior.

The account of him pulling down the pagan temple could be interpreted as super-strength from a gamer-esque perspective, though the chassidut suggests it was a subtle miracle: he pulled and God knocked it over for him.

A martial artist... definately.
Ok now thats settled how much HTH damage does an ASs Jaw actually do? and can it be used for ranged attacks?

Twilight

Jul 24th, '03, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Rage
Ok now thats settled how much HTH damage does an ASs Jaw actually do? and can it be used for ranged attacks?

Well I've only seen one once, but judging from what it looked like, I'd say maybe 1d6 HKA plus strength bonuses. Definetly didn't look as though it would be good for a long range attack though.

Vondy

Jul 24th, '03, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Twilight
Well I've only seen one once, but judging from what it looked like, I'd say maybe 1d6 HKA plus strength bonuses. Definetly didn't look as though it would be good for a long range attack though.

1d6 KA would be reasonable. I think it would have reduced penetration, however.

Rage

Jul 25th, '03, 12:01 AM

what if it snapped in half like, so you have a sharp jagged bone edge?

Doug McCrae

Jul 25th, '03, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by GrooveD70
Double sticks (escrima/kali) or a staff may seem boring at first, but check out some old Jet Li flicks and you'll get a feel for how kewl a charector can be with just a simple stick... Sticks have a lot of potential as a superhero weapon cause none of the 'big names' use them. Well, okay, there's Daredevil but I don't really associate him with his club that strongly. Not in the way that Cap and the shield go together or Green Arrow and the bow.

But how do you make a staff/sticks competitive in a typical superhero game? Green Arrow really needs his magic arrows to stay with the heavy hitters. But it seems conceptually inappropriate to have a normal staff doing 12d6.

DocMan

Jul 25th, '03, 08:14 AM

Not really...

Your typical quarterstaff is basicly built as +4 HA and 1" of stretching, OAF.

Give the character 20 STR and you've got 8d6 HA pretty easily.

Add MA with a "stick" WF, and you've got 10d6HA.

Now buy 2 DC's. 12d6 HA w/ sticks and it's appropriate and in character.

Think about DareDevil's mentor, "Stick". Even as an old man, he could still give DD a good pummeling with that staff of his.

Doc

JmOz

Jul 25th, '03, 08:33 AM

First of all I voted for "Bow"

Second,

On staffs I agree with the above, except I would not even add the DC's as 10 DC is a good attack in my games...

Vondy

Jul 25th, '03, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Rage
what if it snapped in half like, so you have a sharp jagged bone edge?

I don't know that it would help bone against bronze age and early iron age armors, but it would against soft leather, hides, and padded type armor.

Twilight

Jul 25th, '03, 11:28 AM

I dunno, the one time I actually saw the jawbone of an ass it looked like a fairly vicious weapon of opportunity. I can totally belive that a really strong somebody could do some damage with it.

Vondy

Jul 25th, '03, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Twilight
I dunno, the one time I actually saw the jawbone of an ass it looked like a fairly vicious weapon of opportunity. I can totally belive that a really strong somebody could do some damage with it.

I don't doubt for a minute its lethal.

I just question how effective a bone weapon would be against a bronze cuiriass.

Twilight

Jul 25th, '03, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by D-Man
I don't doubt for a minute its lethal.

I just question how effective a bone weapon would be against a bronze cuiriass.

Then end that had the teeth on it looked pretty darn pointy and nasty to me. Besides, any weapon can be effective if you have enough strength behind it. Assuming that Samson was both super strong and super skilled at fighting, it's not much of a stretch.

Syberdwarf2

Jul 25th, '03, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by D-Man
I don't doubt for a minute its lethal.

I just question how effective a bone weapon would be against a bronze cuiriass.

pretty darn effective IMHO if the attacker were to use a Braveheart-Deer-Antler-in-between-the-armor-plating maneuver.

starblaze

Jul 25th, '03, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Doug McCrae
I'd have said Stormbringer was a peoplemaster rather than Elric being a weaponmaster.

LOL

Madstone

Jul 26th, '03, 10:01 AM

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the whip yet!

I definitely have to agree with the tendency to say it's a mood thing. Archers are some of my favorites from wayback, but i've always loved the sheild possibilities. The staff is a personal inspiration, and you can't beat a good mace. (Hogunn's mace is the coolest ever!) Also, I've tried to make the Tron discs multiple times but never been quite satisfied. I haven't tried in 5th yet, maybe it's time to take another look. About the only one i'm never in the mood for is guns. Can't stand guntoting heroes. There are rare exceptions, but as a rule, none.

That all being said, if I had to choose just one of those catagories, it's the non-weapon. In my mind, no one in comic books says Weapon Master quite like Bullseye. And in the movies, Jackie Chans 'improvised' fight scenes are always the most exciting!

'Nuff said.

Vondy

Jul 26th, '03, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Syberdwarf2
pretty darn effective IMHO if the attacker were to use a Braveheart-Deer-Antler-in-between-the-armor-plating maneuver.

That would probably be penalty skill levels....

gewing

Jul 28th, '03, 12:17 AM

I was once working on the Shivatar... Avatar of ... never finished him. I didn't want to fight him, though. :)

Originally posted by megaplayboy
I've always wanted to write up an escrimador...

and I do have an NPC mutant(Kali) assassin with 4 arms---

hmmm....can you buy 2 weapon fighting twice and make it...

4 weapon fighting?

:D :D :D