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Dr. MID-Nite
Mar 11th, '08, 12:15 PM
While I haven't looked the book through cover to cover, I did thumb through it enough to give some decent first impressions...

Part 1 covers how to handle the trial and all the legal issues pertaining to arresting a bad guy and how the legal system handles superhumans in general. Given Steve's background, this is of course extremely detailed....and while I myself don't usally need so much detail, my players do...so the entire section will help me make it all more "real".

Part 2 covers the Stronghold prison itself in exhaustive detail. I especially appreciate the prisoner classifications, which identifies them based on ability to escape and record/potential for violence. There's even a list of who's currently locked up(though this will need to be modified for your own campaigns of course).

Part 3 has some prisoner writeups. Among them:

Glacier-Giant cold generating behemoth. An updated character from European Enemies. Yes....you read that right....EUROPEAN ENEMIES! The writeup is great. This monstrosity will give all but fire users an extremely hard time and even fire users will really have to work to take on this one..

Geothermal- Powerful earth/lava controller. Does massive damage and his agenda is to more or less wipe out most of humanity.

Requiem and Frost: Yeap...former members of Deathstroke. You'll have to buy the book to find out what happened to the other members. These represent what happens when you spend most of your life in Stronghold...as their point levels are low(no XP!).

Alchemica-Low level matter transmuter, but the nature of her powers got her sent to the super prison. My personal pick for a potential "redeemed" villain.

Point levels on these guys ranged from 270 to about 1000. Geothermal and Glacier are in hot sleep.(Though how long that could be effective on a walking iceberg is open to debate.)

Anyways...for those wanting a detailed super prison, here it is(with notes on changing aspects of it). Well worth it. I could have used more writeups, but I alwasy want more writeups...so don't let that stop you from picking this up.

Rob
Steve Long
Mar 12th, '08, 03:00 AM
An updated character from European Enemies.

No, he's not. ;) They may be similar, simply because the name "Glacier" suggests a certain power set, but I absolutely, positively, guarantee you that I'm not going to be "updating" any characters from European Enemies.
Dr. MID-Nite
Mar 12th, '08, 09:03 AM
No, he's not. ;) They may be similar, simply because the name "Glacier" suggests a certain power set, but I absolutely, positively, guarantee you that I'm not going to be "updating" any characters from European Enemies.

Aw shucks..they're close enough as to be clones...why not just go with it? :)
GestaltBennie
Mar 12th, '08, 09:28 AM
No, he's not. ;) They may be similar, simply because the name "Glacier" suggests a certain power set, but I absolutely, positively, guarantee you that I'm not going to be "updating" any characters from European Enemies.

All in all, another brick thrown at Das Wall.
BobGreenwade
Mar 12th, '08, 09:36 AM
No, he's not. ;) They may be similar, simply because the name "Glacier" suggests a certain power set, but I absolutely, positively, guarantee you that I'm not going to be "updating" any characters from European Enemies.Except in the case of Doppleganger, I'd have to say that's no big loss.
All in all, another brick thrown at Das Wall.:slap:
BoloOfEarth
Mar 12th, '08, 11:23 AM
... I absolutely, positively, guarantee you that I'm not going to be "updating" any characters from European Enemies.

Is that the same book where a character had an Energy Blast with an Increased STUN Modifier?
BobGreenwade
Mar 12th, '08, 11:53 AM
Is that the same book where a character had an Energy Blast with an Increased STUN Modifier?It is.

Though you can do that now. (TUEP page 17, first paragraph)
Dr. MID-Nite
Mar 12th, '08, 12:44 PM
All in all, another brick thrown at Das Wall.

Except for the name(which I doubt if actual German), that character was one of the better builds. Hard to scrw up a brick I guess.

Rob
GestaltBennie
Mar 12th, '08, 12:57 PM
Except for the name(which I doubt if actual German), that character was one of the better builds. Hard to scrw up a brick I guess.

Rob

Wan't it Glacier who should have died from his/her own powers as they were written?
Dr. MID-Nite
Mar 12th, '08, 04:28 PM
Wan't it Glacier who should have died from his/her own powers as they were written?

No...that was Hoarfrost. Glacier originally DID have ridiculously low defenses for a ramapaging monster(based on the description in the text).

Rob
GestaltBennie
Mar 12th, '08, 06:53 PM
No...that was Hoarfrost. Glacier originally DID have ridiculously low defenses for a ramapaging monster(based on the description in the text).

Rob

Thanks. I knew it was someone cold. :-)
FenrisUlf
Mar 18th, '08, 08:12 AM
Part 3 has some prisoner writeups. Among them:

Glacier-Giant cold generating behemoth. An updated character from European Enemies. Yes....you read that right....EUROPEAN ENEMIES! The writeup is great. This monstrosity will give all but fire users an extremely hard time and even fire users will really have to work to take on this one..



I wonder -- as Glacier is given no origin, maybe he could be a servant/creation of The Ice from Champions of the North?
Log-Man
Mar 18th, '08, 09:02 AM
I just ordered Stronghold, paid for with the win in the Style Contest. :cool:

Can't wait to read it! :bounce:
Dr. MID-Nite
Mar 18th, '08, 03:48 PM
I wonder -- as Glacier is given no origin, maybe he could be a servant/creation of The Ice from Champions of the North?

That'd be one to consider. In my campaign, he'll most likely be a servitor of an evil god....or a resident of Jotunheim(if I decide to add the Norse Gods to the others already present in my world).

Rob
death tribble
Apr 8th, '08, 09:13 AM
As it does not seem to have shipped to the UK at all I had to get it by PDF.

and it is good. Major improvement on the original Stronghold and beats Lockdown quite handsomely. It stands up well against Grammercy Island and Escape From Alcatraz which are the other Super Prison books of note.
Bengalelf
Apr 9th, '08, 04:32 AM
Rob
You getting my emails?
Teflon Billy
Apr 9th, '08, 09:38 AM
As it does not seem to have shipped to the UK at all I had to get it by PDF.

and it is good. Major improvement on the original Stronghold and beats Lockdown quite handsomely. It stands up well against Grammercy Island and Escape From Alcatraz which are the other Super Prison books of note.Why didn't you order the hardcopy version from the Hero Store instead of the PDF?

TB
death tribble
Apr 9th, '08, 09:58 AM
Why didn't you order the hardcopy version from the Hero Store instead of the PDF?

TB

Overseas postage and time to deliver. Overseas postage has a hefty bit onto the bill. Besides I had a discount from the Digital Hero stuff and there is only the colour cover to worry about. I have a double sided printer and used that.

Voila instant book.
Lord Liaden
Apr 9th, '08, 10:01 AM
Overseas postage and time to deliver. Overseas postage has a hefty bit onto the bill. Besides I had a discount from the Digital Hero stuff and there is only the colour cover to worry about. I have a double sided printer and used that.

Voila instant book.

Cool.

You are aware that shipping from the Hero Store is free to anywhere in the world, right?
death tribble
Apr 9th, '08, 10:04 AM
PDF is still cheaper. And I have it NOW.