multi power or sweep/two weapon fighting?

[Dr Divago]

Hi all
this is a long timed question
i found pretty difficult understand where can i use multi power attack and where i should use sweep/two weapon fighting

if i use two different weapon? and if i use weapon and shield bash? and if i use weapon and punch? and if i use weapon strike and an unarmed maneuver (ie grab)?

i suppose there are all "multi power attack" 'cause they are different power; but i could use it like "two weapon fighting" attack?
should i? why?
should i not? why?

ty for answer :D

[Shadowsoul]

I believe that all of those combinations are covered by Two Weapon Fighting. That's certainly how I would rule it.

[Dr Divago]

I believe that all of those combinations are covered by Two Weapon Fighting. That's certainly how I would rule it.
but... can i use it with multple power attack?

[egonil]

but... can i use it with multple power attack?

In a FH campaign, you generally pay points to buy skills
that let you use weapons in various ways. You get the
weapons "for free", for gold, mugged from a guard, or
wherever.

MPA would only apply to powers for which you payed
points which is how your super hero has a sword in a
Champions game. Note that MPA also requires that you
have more than one attack power to use at the same
time, e.g. you payed points for two swords.

Sweeping is available in either genre, but TWF seems
to be a kind of specialized sweep that requires two
separate weapons. It's certainly written up that way.
The two "weapons" can be be anything your character
could wield. They don't have to use the same maneuvers
either though each uses it's own OCV and you ending
up with the worst DCV. It also uses the whole phase
unless you also buy a Rapid Attack skill too. The main
difference from a Sweep is that a Sweep uses one kind
of attack multiple times.

The overlap between TWF, sweep, and MPA is annoying.
In some ways, you're better off building a Naked
Advantage Autofire with some limitations for the
number of points you end up spending along with the
DCV and phase penalties.

[NuSoardGraphite]

Hi all
this is a long timed question
i found pretty difficult understand where can i use multi power attack and where i should use sweep/two weapon fighting

Thats understandable. The whole thing can be pretty confusing.

Please note that because of this confusion, any answers I give will be based on my own personal viewpoint of how they should be handled and cannot be considered 100% official, unless of course my way of doing things is exactly as they are laid out in the rules, which is rather unlikely. My interpretations being based mostly on common sense and near-literal interpretations of the rules/skills as opposed to maintaining play-balance.

if i use two different weapon?

Two Weapon Combat or Sweep. Keep in mind that unless a character posseses Ambidexterity, they will have a -3 OCV penalty to attack with their off hand when using two weapons at once and this is in addition to the penalty for Sweep. For example, a character wielding a sword in each hand attacks once with each weapon. The dominant hand attack will be at -2 OCV and the off-hand attack will be at -5 OCV!
This is where Two Weapon Combat comes in handy. Not only does it remove the penalty for attacking with the off-hand weapon, it also removes the first -2 OCV penalty for attacking twice. Is it worth 10 points? Depends. In a Heroic campaign where the character doesn't pay points for weapons and its the characters main method of attack...absolutely it is. However, it is less usefull in a Superheroic campaign where the character has plenty of points to spend on 2pt OCV levels with Sweep and Ambidexterity.



and if i use weapon and shield bash?

TWC/Sweep mostly. Certainly this is allowable as a Multi-power attack, but this is much closer to attacking with a weapon in each hand, in which case I always rule toward TWC/Sweep vs MPA.

and if i use weapon and punch?

See weapon+shield bash above. same opinion.

and if i use weapon strike and an unarmed maneuver (ie grab)?

Okay, now this is getting into the realm of a Multi Power Attack. Personally, I still lean toward Sweep for this type of maneuver, however, MPA would be acceptable in many situations.

i suppose there are all "multi power attack" 'cause they are different power; but i could use it like "two weapon fighting" attack?
should i? why?
should i not? why?

Here's how I see the difference between Sweep and MPA. Sweep (and TWC, since it is a specialized form of Sweep) is for simulating action where a character throws multiple attacks at an enemy, whether its a flurry of punches, twin butterfly swords or squeezes off half a clip at a foe. Its for using standard attacks multiple times against a target (or group of targets)

Multiple Power Attacks are for simulating action where a character combines their powers in an interesting fashion. For example combining RKA and Flash together or perhaps Energy Blast and Entangle, or maybe Mental Illusion and Mind Control simultaneously.

ty for answer :D

sure, no problem.

[CTaylor]

you can use two weapons at once and attack with both, but there are some penalties: your offhand attack is -3 unless you have ambidexterity, you take a full phase to take the attack, you pay END for both attacks. However, buying Two Weapon Fighting or Ambidexterity plus Rapid Attack negates the first problems.

Sweep attacks take a full phase, and have different penalties, but half DCV. Plus, when you miss, you stop attacking that phase.

[NuSoardGraphite]

you can use two weapons at once and attack with both, but there are some penalties: your offhand attack is -3 unless you have ambidexterity, you take a full phase to take the attack, you pay END for both attacks. However, buying Two Weapon Fighting or Ambidexterity plus Rapid Attack negates the first problems.

Sweep attacks take a full phase, and have different penalties, but half DCV. Plus, when you miss, you stop attacking that phase.

Keep in mind that TWC is a form of Sweep, and as such it also halves the characters DCV (this was changed in the Revised Ed, but I don't use that) and takes a Full Phase. In order to change TWC into a 1/2 Phase action, the character must purchase Rapid Attack as well.