Loved at home hated by the world.

[GloryFox]

You were a super HERO once, you battled foes far and wide. You defeated the terrible Dr. Insertnamehere, and the Abomination from beyond. People loved you in your homeland but not in the land you just had that unfortunate event in.

The terrible day happened when a group of innocent bystanders get in the way and you had to do the unthinkable to save more lives. You could not control it since that group of normals just jumped in front of your bullet, punch, kick, ball of unyielding energy, or that small 4-wheeled vehicle that you just threw at the evil villain and the mind controlled (thats what you assumed) bystanders just stood there and died.

You know it was an accident but no one in the country you made the mistake in believes you and the people you were protecting don’t care. You get a subpoena to appear before a court tribunal with no jury in that foreign country you had just saved and the country in question is hostile to supers and those that are different. The government of that country is seeking the death penalty for your actions. International law says you must appear in their court and face whatever consequences might be in store for you. Furthermore the U.N. files a resolution condemning your country of origin for not turning you over for trial. You feel as if there is no way of publicly avoiding this and you even get sympathy from your chief rival a position offered to you by your most hated foes to take the spot of the villain you just defeated.

WWYCD?

[Clonus]

International law says no such thing, not in our world or in a comic book world like that of Marvel and DC where supervillains routinely get immunity by virtue of ruling an acknowledged nation. If your two countries have an extradition treaty then the victimised country files an extradition request and the country of refuge then rules over whether it has just cause. for the request. Failing that there is no obligation under international law that you return to the country accusing you. If either country is a member of the International Criminal Court, then it is possible that they'll define your actions as a war crime and file charges against you, but then you'd appear before the ICC, not the offended nation's jurisprudence.

And of course it doesn't matter. You made the choice when you decided to flee the jurisdiction where you commited the actions in question rather than staying to face the music.

[assault]

Most of my current characters are very Four Colour, and would therefore face the music.

Meanwhile, their allies would be working on proving their innocence...

And they would be innocent. The whole thing would prove to be a frame up.

[Doomed Prophet]

For most of my characters it would be a frame job... Usually my characters, and players in my campaigns, are on US super teams so there would be almost no chance of them being in another country... If they were in another country it would probably be during a time of extreme crisis where the other nation asked for US support, in which case they would be causing alot of "flak" for themselves by suddenly saying "<insert name> killed <insert number> of civilians! We want to bring him up on charges!"
They would probably cause themselves more grief than they caused the character...

[Comic]

If it's good enough for Green Lantern Alan Stewart, for Superman, for the entire Justice League except Batman, then if I were a DC, I'd be there.

OTOH, wasn't that sort of how Civil War started in Marvel?

[Kirby]

Nuke them. Then spread salt throughout their lands. :smoke:

[assault]

If it's good enough for Green Lantern Alan Stewart, for Superman, for the entire Justice League except Batman, then if I were a DC, I'd be there.

John Stewart. Alan Scott.

Batman has been in situations like this before. I think Robin broke him out, after he realised he couldn't solve the case by himself.


OTOH, wasn't that sort of how Civil War started in Marvel?

This is the other side of the question. Is the GM being a jerk or not? My initial impulse would be to assume he wasn't, and get offended if it turns out he was. In this situation "how Civil War started" is a case of "he was".

So it's not the case that a bunch of mind-controlled dupes died. That's what might have appeared to happen, but it's not what really happened.

Unless the GM is a jerk.

In the latter case, the game is probably doomed. If for some reason I wanted to stick around, I'd probably just pretend the whole thing never happened. Maybe I'd fake my characters death, and take up a new identity or something. In character or not, I doubt my character would beat himself up about it. Basically, this situation appears sufficiently hamfisted that a roleplaying response to it is inappropriate. It's not a tragedy - it's a travesty.

[lemming]

And then there are the countries that wouldn't extradite you because you'd be facing the death penalty.

[assault]

In the case of my Silver Age/Four Colour characters, extradition wouldn't be an issue. If there was serious evidence, they'd face the court voluntarily.

[Vondy]

There is no such premise under international law which is an opt-in treaty system and not a mandatory code of law. They are welcome, of course, to attempt to extradite me under any extant treaties between their country and mine, but since my country 1) considers a jury before ones peers to be a basic right, 2) does not apply the death penalty to accidental death, and 3) considers me a hero it will be a cold day in hell when that happens. What's more, since the matter as described would not merit the involvement of the security council, the united nations can take their resolutions and wipe with them. They are not binding, and therefore meaningless saber-rattling. What is more, they don't even require a simple majority and are, by definition, anti-democratic. And, lets just say for sake of an argument, that the security council did get involved - all my heros are American citizens. Can you say defacto veto? Mistakes happen. I can feel bad about it and atone for it without bowing my head to a regime which, as described, is pretty damned unenlightened.

[Badger]

Badger-So you are trying to turn Badger back into a villain, ehh? Well, let's see probably wouldnt be as broken up about it as you typical hero. Unless kids were involved and that would probably make it worse than your average hero. Anyhow, he wouldnt turn himself in. I dont see him turning to out and out evil again (immediately anyway). But, he will have to be tracked down. And like a wounded stray he will lash out at anyone who comes to bring him in (even close allies). He wouldnt be afraid of a death penalty (sometimes he would welcome death). But, he will choose how he goes out. ANd standing trial and execution isnt his idea of "honorable". Dying in battle is how he wants to go out.

Frosty Bob- Honestly. Takes the villain job. Being a villain would be less of a hindrance on his style, anyway. :doi: Though as far as the one giving him the job, it would be strained relationship. Bob isnt good at taking orders longterm. If he is continously given his fill of alcohol, fast women, and fights he be kept in line. But, anything like one of those devious underhanded plans like your typical mad genius likes, and well. Bob would be more interested in continuing the battle than a strategic retreat. Though, he may just be joining for the kicks of bringing the villain down from the inside, anyway.

[Vondy]

And then there are the countries that wouldn't extradite you because you'd be facing the death penalty.

Including the US, incidentally. If the crime isn't a death penalty crime in the US extradition generally becomes predicated on no death penalty attaching to the crime. This happens with EU countries when extradition cases from the US that might incude [ any ] capital punishment comes up, as well. What's more, the absence of a jury trial makes the notion of extradition from the US a non-starter, unless they waive that right, which would be a stupid thing to do. Unless you were a non-citizen from this weird despotic country in the first place and the government wanted you out for other reasons and revoked your visa, the entire scenario is a non-starter if you are in the US (or a vast number of other countries, for that matter).

[bubba smith]

my hero might consider retirement

[wylodmayer]

So, I take it that you're stipulating that international law works as you say it does, at least in the campaign world where this is taking place, rather than asserting a descriptive statement about how international works in the real world. If that's so, then objections that international law doesn't "really" work that way are missing the point rather broadly... I mean, physics doesn't work in such a way as to explain the powers of any of the characters we're talking about here, either, so we can assume he didn't the thread initiator wasn't talking about the real world.

Anyway, I notice there's a crucial piece of information missing - is the hero guilty? I mean, the scenario stipulates that the hero actually did kill innocents while attempting to stop a villain. However, it's still quite possible that the hero was reckless and negligent.

The threshold for what constitutes negligent behavior will probably move with the level of threat that the villain posed. If we're talking a super-armored madman who's going to destroy the world, and has already caused massive collateral damage, then a hero, especially if he's outgunned himself, will have a much lower burden for avoiding incidental damage to civilians - which is not to say he has no burden in this regard.

If the law in this scenario world (and country) has a structure which parallels real law, then the courts will be sensitive to the fact that there are cases where caution kind of gets thrown to the winds to save thousands, possibly millions, of lives. A hero who is on the ropes and trying to prevent the extermination of mankind won't be held rigidly responsible for an action that might be considered unforgivably reckless under less high-stakes circumstances.

If the villain is just a bank robber, for instance, who's trying to escape, rather than harm anyone, then the hero is almost certainly guilty of some sort of serious crime for killing the innocent bystanders. Basically, the law would take the view that the hero had no excuse for taking any action which could reasonably cause the deaths of innocents in order to apprehend someone who had committed a property crime and wasn't an immediate threat to anyone.

And of course there are shades of grey. Ace, for instance, is liscenced to carry a firearm and has a bounty hunter's license as well. He discharges his sidearm sometimes in fighting villains, but certainly not near crowds, unless there's imminent and serious danger to someone's life. If he was shooting at a bad guy and hit a civilian, it was either (a) because he had no idea the civilian - or any civilian - was anywhere nearby, or (b) because the bad guy was about to kill someone. Either way, it's probably something like reckless homicide at worst. If the bad guy was a bank robber, they'd probably rake him over the coals, and he could get ten years or so. But if he was shooting at a murderer and had reason to believe either that there were no civilians in the line of fire and/or that the guy was an imminent danger, he might get off with two years suspended. Ace would probably stand trial - after all, he did kill someone. Unless he wants to become like the criminals he hunts, he has to subject himself to the judgment of society - if THEY think he was being irresponsible, then he wouldn't be so arrogant as to tell them to get bent and flee justice. Talk about becoming that which you hate...

Cat, on the other hands, has no faith whatsoever in the criminal justice system, and she doesn't enforce the law, she is fighting for what she thinks of as right. She'd torture herself endlessly about having killed someone, but she'd never, ever let herself get taken in, even if it meant changing identities.

Ingrid does not use deadly force unless authorized by the proper agencies, in which case she has a "good faith" defense.

[Kirby]

Did you even read the second paragraph? It states that this was an obvious accident.

As for "International Law," if these are our characters, then they are in our campaign and thus "International Law," would be as it is. This "WWYCD" thread isn't about "Why has 'International Law' changed, but "there was an accident and now you're sentenced to death before your trial begins," also known as GM railroading and screwing you over. :straight:

[incrdbil]

Perhaps this WWYCD scenario could be reconstructed a bit. rRght now, as it is, its hard to say what my characters would do, because as a player, I'd be having a talk to the GM about the thought process behind this latest shift in the campaign.

[Clonus]

Including the US, incidentally. If the crime isn't a death penalty crime in the US extradition generally becomes predicated on no death penalty attaching to the crime. This happens with EU countries when extradition cases from the US that might incude [ any ] capital punishment comes up, as well. What's more, the absence of a jury trial makes the notion of extradition from the US a non-starter,.

Incorrect. Not only is mass murder a death penalty offense in the United States, the United States will and has extradited people to countries that don't use jury trials.

[Great Beyond]

Me: flip the table and walk out? Well, probably not - but there better be one HELL of a story payout for such blatent railroading.

Scarlet Arrow is not a pacifist, but she'd never ever kill *any*body, even the most bad of the bad guys. So accidently killing a bystander would be utterly devistating and pretty much force the retriment of the character, even without the whole "entire country angry at her" thing.

Great Beyond has a serious Lone Ranger streak running through her, so she's turn herself over and trust that justice would clear her name. Since it sounds like a kangaroo court that's already decided that she's guilty before the trial even starts, the outcome would probably be terminal.

So playing this scenario as-is would pretty much end the game for me, even if I didnt flip the table.

[Shoutybloke]

Silverbolt: Cash in his favours. remind the PM of that time Mechanon fired a missile full of nerve gas at him, his family and a large number of people who were going to vote for him at the next election, and silverbolt jumped on it and steered it to safty. Call Martin Ming-lin Mpoto (actually Merlin- THE merlin) and his pet A.I. to get enough blackmail on the tribunral to ensure an aquital. Use his teammate Blaize's vast resources to pay off the members of the tribunral who can't be blackmailed.
Go to the country. Face tribunral with his other teammate John Claymore and his 37 PRE as his defence council.
Get off.
Find the **** who mind controled a bunch of innocent people into jumping in front of a cyborg moving at 172 mph. Run into him at 172 mph. Go home.

[hfergus]

All my characters except Black Tiger would face the music and point out it was an accident; that is no one could have predicted it. If they were found guilty anyway... Jailbreak! It had to be rigged if they were found guily is what all of them would think. They would go public with the railroading; if possible before the jailbreak. Olorin would announce the jailbreak and say "Stop me if you can, you morons." Black Tiger would go underground and not face the music. He'd point out the idiocy of it if people questioned him and he decided not to ignore it.

[GloryFox]

For clarification the U.S. does indeed extradite people to other countries for trial even in Death Penalty cases that are accidental or not.

HERO's would and could be extradited in this world, the year is 2034 and the New World Order is in the process of becoming a serious reality. Thus there was and is in this world a need for strong international laws on meta-humans. This would follow under treaties with the respective nation in question who returned to Sharia Law post treaty. Because the HERO's were non-Muslims and their actions did result in the death of Islam believers the country in question is seeking the Death Penalty (evil infedel even if you did save the city it's obviously a western trick). Your country does not hold to Sharia but supports the ideal of a nation of Law. It is the current policy of the United States in this time to be a protector of Law, even if that Law does not make sense to those living in the United States.

"We are a nation of Law who support the use of Law" has become a form of propaganda world wide in this time line. (Yes there are some "Law vs. Lawful" ties to the reality of the Supers in their time line. Supers are slowly becoming the target of the state do to the ideal of upholding what is lawful and right vs. the laws made out of fear of meta humans, of their time line. Real or not this is not an uncommon theme within the bounds of comic books.)

Furthermore at this point in history Islam is the predominant religion of the world (actually it is now) and Shria Law has become popular world wide because of social steins upon the nations who are influenced by the threat of Jihad & turmoil upon them if they don't.

Disclaimer-The events are for a backdrop story arch I am writing, not actual in game events with real players - yet.

[Great Beyond]

Yeah, that's rapidly turning into a game that I wouldnt get within a hundred miles of. Just aint my bag, really.

That said, if I *was* a player in that game, I still dont think the scenario would have a chance to unfold. All of my characters would be probably be underground and fighting against The Man and wanted by the law by that point anyway. "Screw 'em! What's one more law enforcment agency wanting my head, anyway?"

[Yansuf]

Incorrect. Not only is mass murder a death penalty offense in the United States, the United States will and has extradited people to countries that don't use jury trials.

True, but not to a country that will not have a reasonably fair trial.
In the stipulated situation, it seems the hero has been found guilty before trial. There is no way the US would extradite him, even if for political reasons the administration wanted to. Anyway, if the hero fights extradition, it will take years before the appeals are through.

[Yansuf]

After rereading the initial post, it doesn't seem the hero has be convicted already, just that he is facing a very hostile court.

Since the UN has passed a resolution because the US (or your home country) has not turned you over, it would appear that the US is not planning to do so.
So making a public statement at a press conference, and answering reasonable questions, would seem a viable solution. Invite the other country to bring charges against you in a US court, or if the US refuses to try you, invite them to sue you for wrongful death.

[assault]

Because the HERO's were non-Muslims and their actions did result in the death of Islam believers the country in question is seeking the Death Penalty

In this world, my character would be a Muslim, so this wouldn't apply.

[Comic]

I admit, all Green Lanterns are beginning to run together in my mind.

Which is sad, since they're running together like hand-painted lead figurines kept on the mantle above the fireplace, instead of in the good way.

Back to our regularly scheduled thread.

[Kirby]

HERO's would and could be extradited in this world, the year is 2034 and the New World Order is in the process of becoming a serious reality. Thus there was and is in this world a need for strong international laws on meta-humans. This would follow under treaties with the respective nation in question who returned to Sharia Law post treaty. Because the HERO's were non-Muslims and their actions did result in the death of Islam believers the country in question is seeking the Death Penalty (evil infedel even if you did save the city it's obviously a western trick). Your country does not hold to Sharia but supports the ideal of a nation of Law. It is the current policy of the United States in this time to be a protector of Law, even if that Law does not make sense to those living in the United States.

"We are a nation of Law who support the use of Law" has become a form of propaganda world wide in this time line. (Yes there are some "Law vs. Lawful" ties to the reality of the Supers in their time line. Supers are slowly becoming the target of the state do to the ideal of upholding what is lawful and right vs. the laws made out of fear of meta humans, of their time line. Real or not this is not an uncommon theme within the bounds of comic books.)

Furthermore at this point in history Islam is the predominant religion of the world (actually it is now) and Shria Law has become popular world wide because of social steins upon the nations who are influenced by the threat of Jihad & turmoil upon them if they don't.

Disclaimer-The events are for a backdrop story arch I am writing, not actual in game events with real players - yet.Yeah, that's a lot of background information that should have been qualified if you're expecting us to have had that in mind.

As has been said by another, I also wouldn't be playing in that game. Not my style at all.

And for the record:
hero - singular
heroes - plural form of hero (person)
HERO's - possesive form of HERO (HERO GAMES?)
heros - plural form of hero sandwich

[Doomed Prophet]

Here's another stipulation: How powerful is the U.N. in your campaign... In my campaign the U.N. is about as powerful as it is in real life... As in most major powers really don't care what the U.N. declares or resolves, since most resolutions don't pass that the big five don't want passed (if they do pass, the big five only give them "lip service")...

[Badger]

Yeah, that's rapidly turning into a game that I wouldnt get within a hundred miles of. Just aint my bag, really.

That said, if I *was* a player in that game, I still dont think the scenario would have a chance to unfold. All of my characters would be probably be underground and fighting against The Man and wanted by the law by that point anyway. "Screw 'em! What's one more law enforcment agency wanting my head, anyway?"


Yeah, I'd be a bit p!$$ed if this was just sprung all of a sudden on me, too.

Though, if it had been worked out between me and the GM, this would be the 2nd best way for my character's (Badger, anyway) "presence" in the "series" to end. The first would be to pull a Spike from Cowboy Bebop and getting mortally wounded killing his archnemesis. But, this would be #2. Family killed when he was helpless little one by said archnemesis. Develops and refines powers. Become a criminal in search for the bad guy. One of his future teammates after several run-ins helps him get pardon to join in a fight against their mutual enemy. Tolerated but never accepted by the populace. And then this "accident" would be a perfect way to take him out. Despite all his best efforts to redeem himself, he realizes he will always be popular scapegoat at any convienient opportunity. Goes into hiding. Eventually caught up to by the teammate who helped with the pardon. Teammate is forced to kill Badger because Badger will refuse to turn himself in. And will rather go out doing the only thing he was good at: Fighting in Battle. Finally, he can see his long lost family in the next life. It would be a perfect tragedy.
(especially if he HAD already fought and defeated said archnemesis)
Note: ANd this could be a good character building exercise for his friend. With all the lingering guilt for what he had to do.

Umm, sorry, my brain got a little inspired. :o


Note: But, the GM would have to run it by me first. If not, it is an argument a'brewing. (rolls eyes)

[Badger]

I admit, all Green Lanterns are beginning to run together in my mind.

Which is sad, since they're running together like hand-painted lead figurines kept on the mantle above the fireplace, instead of in the good way.

Back to our regularly scheduled thread.


You're still bothering to keep up with all the Green Lanterns? I gave that up a long time ago. :rolleyes:

[steamteck]

HBecause the HERO's were non-Muslims and their actions did result in the death of Islam believers the country in question is seeking the Death Penalty (evil infedel even if you did save the city it's obviously a western trick). Your country does not hold to Sharia but supports the ideal of a nation of Law. It is the current policy of the United States in this time to be a protector of Law, even if that Law does not make sense to those living in the United States.



I honestly can't answer objectively to your question because I would never be able to play in such a game unless the point was overthrowing the "evil empire". Death penalty because you're the wrong religion would not fly as the prevailing order with me or our group. I can't see any of my Heroes bowing down to such injustice I just can't see a campaign loke that working any other way given the current world situation which is why I stay away from such stuff myself..

[Cygnia]

Sounds also like there's some blatant strawman politics going on here. I couldn't play in a game like this.

[teh bunneh]

When I want real-world politics, I open the newspaper, not a gaming book. When I want to make a statement, I write a letter to my congressman or to the editor, I don't write an adventure. And if my GM starts using his game to try to make a statement about real-world politics or religion, he's going to be looking for a new player.

[incrdbil]

Well, based on that background, only some of my characters would be in such a game.

Ranger (well one of the darker ones) would simply work above and beyond the law. He may very well eliminate world leaders supporting such policies.

Blaze would be rather brutal and direct. "When you want to arrest me, make sure you send a two divisions. One of soldiers, the other to dig their graves."

Seer might just isolate himself from it all--the orld has obviously gone to hell, he'd just find a quiet corner and take care of his own..or he'd become the type of thing he swore he'd never be--a really scene manipulating mentalist, and tryt o remake the world stage by subverting it from within.

Any character I'd play would be trying to fight that world status quo, one way or another. I'd not play anyone supporting it, or tolerating it.

But your vew of the United States is one that has overwhelmingly changed its national character. You better come up with a strong reason for that, or I don't know frankly who would bother playing without one.

[Great Beyond]

Here's another stipulation: How powerful is the U.N. in your campaign... In my campaign the U.N. is about as powerful as it is in real life... As in most major powers really don't care what the U.N. declares or resolves, since most resolutions don't pass that the big five don't want passed (if they do pass, the big five only give them "lip service")...

Of course they're effective in my game world! They have U.N.C.L.E. for dealing with their espionage and intelligence and U.N.I.T. as their military force.

[bubba smith]

When I want real-world politics, I open the newspaper, not a gaming book. When I want to make a statement, I write a letter to my congressman or to the editor, I don't write an adventure. And if my GM starts using his game to try to make a statement about real-world politics or religion, he's going to be looking for a new player.
consider yoursel repped for that bunneh

[GloryFox]

Wow, I was not expecting the harsh responses here since.

a) I said this was for a background plot.
b) I never said the player characters in my current game "are" indeed the ones on trial.

The question was WW"Y"CD what I have not chosen yet, is what the character in question did when everything turned against him. The stage is set, I have just not chosen the outcome past, what did the defendant do after he was accused? .....

Fact is the players are doing the Investigation for the defending attorney and helping out another costumed comrade in need of help. What is wrong with that style of an adventure?

What I get the feeling here is that people are under the mindset that I am somehow making a political statement. I'm not, I'm running a supers CSI style game (that my players enjoy) where Hudson City is the backdrop. The HERO in question and the attorney representing him is also from that City.

For those who replied without prejudice and answered the question thank you.

[Inu]

When I want real-world politics, I open the newspaper, not a gaming book. When I want to make a statement, I write a letter to my congressman or to the editor, I don't write an adventure. And if my GM starts using his game to try to make a statement about real-world politics or religion, he's going to be looking for a new player.
Oh, don't worry, this scenario has NOTHING to do with real-world politics, anyway. ^_- Not of any remotely plausible kind.

[Drhoz]

You were a super HERO once, you battled foes far and wide. You defeated the terrible Dr. Insertnamehere, and the Abomination from beyond. People loved you in your homeland but not in the land you just had that unfortunate event in.

Sounds familiar. Vitus was loved back on Aura, but he's continually surprised anybody even likes him elsewhere. He doesn't like them, after all.


The terrible day happened when a group of innocent bystanders get in the way and you had to do the unthinkable to save more lives.

What's so unthinkable about Nun Soup?


You get a subpoena to appear before a court tribunal with no jury in that foreign country you had just saved and the country in question is hostile to supers and those that are different. The government of that country is seeking the death penalty for your actions. International law says you must appear in their court and face whatever consequences might be in store for you. Furthermore the U.N. files a resolution condemning your country of origin for not turning you over for trial. You feel as if there is no way of publicly avoiding this and you even get sympathy from your chief rival a position offered to you by your most hated foes to take the spot of the villain you just defeated.

It's nice to be appreciated.

Regarding the extradition - "And I'm supposed to care, why? I don't recognize the authority of your authorities - I barely recognize the ones here. And what's the point of a jury trial anyway - am I suppose to trust the judgement of 12 slack-jawed yokels they drag off the street? Don't make me laugh. Sure it would be nice if that busload of nuns hadn't stepped into path of a thermoclastic vortex, but if wishes were fishes caviar would be a global staple. If you want me to feel guilty about collateral damage than at least line me up for some accidental genocide first. A few hundred gallons of Nun Soup isn't going to cut it."

[Wanderer]

You were a super HERO once, you battled foes far and wide. You defeated the terrible Dr. Insertnamehere, and the Abomination from beyond. People loved you in your homeland but not in the land you just had that unfortunate event in.

The terrible day happened when a group of innocent bystanders get in the way and you had to do the unthinkable to save more lives. You could not control it since that group of normals just jumped in front of your bullet, punch, kick, ball of unyielding energy, or that small 4-wheeled vehicle that you just threw at the evil villain and the mind controlled (thats what you assumed) bystanders just stood there and died.

You know it was an accident but no one in the country you made the mistake in believes you and the people you were protecting don’t care. You get a subpoena to appear before a court tribunal with no jury in that foreign country you had just saved and the country in question is hostile to supers and those that are different. The government of that country is seeking the death penalty for your actions. International law says you must appear in their court and face whatever consequences might be in store for you. Furthermore the U.N. files a resolution condemning your country of origin for not turning you over for trial. You feel as if there is no way of publicly avoiding this and you even get sympathy from your chief rival a position offered to you by your most hated foes to take the spot of the villain you just defeated.

WWYCD?

Nova has already expressed his sincere regret and willingness to make productive reparations for the civilian losses but it's a war out there and sometimes collateral damage happens, no matter how many efforts are done to prevent it. OTOH, he doesn't recognize human laws and the government of that country in his opinion is wasting its time to make silly legal shenanigans that have no value for him.

OTOH, he really hopes they are not going to escalate and use force since that would be declaration of war against him and he kindly suggests the people of that country to get ready to elect a new government since there are going to be several state funerals very soon if they do.

[OctoberRaven]

Mr. Nonsense: Possibly N/A, because he has a limited passive sense of the future and would be able to use his indirect EB to prevent such a disaster. Would have no idea how to react either, and would probably be committed.

Shift: Might be N/A as he can 'tele-stretch'. If it does happen, would lose sleep over it, and would drop off the radar because he's got more important things to do than face a biased court. IF forced to testify (assuming he can be FOUND): "Paper (former group's leader) murdered about a hundred people, including PRIMUS agents, in one fell swoop in Uganda. And you're fixated on one accidental death. B.S."

Emerald Dragon: Would also lose sleep, would consider retiring but PRIMUS knows his secret ID so if they wanted to find him they would, so would probably be forced to testify. Good news is, he can afford a very good lawyer.

October Raven: N/A. His attack of choice is an NND STUN Drain based on EGO and has a CVK. So this would essentially never happen.

Tetsuhana: Being a martial artist who uses nerve strikes and NND throws, there MIGHT be a casualty if he uses his Bullseye-esque object of oppurtunity EB. If this happens, he'll be wary of the courts. He would ONLY agree to stand trial if he was allowed to keep his identity a secret.

[Vulcan]

<snip>


Maybe I'd fake my characters death, and take up a new identity or something.

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A similar situation came up in a game I was in. Nightshade (my character) and Night Owl (my friend's character, VERY loosely based on the Maevel charatcter) discovered that the Chief of Police in New Orleans (our campaign city) was preemtively having people killed because 'the vampires were interested in them' (don't ask). We killed the chief (cut him down in cold blood, more like), but didn't see the security cameras until afterwards. We ran for it, ran down a pair of gang-bangers that had done a drive-by shooting earlier in the campaign, took them out, and put our costumes on them. We then go new costumes for ourselves as 'Mist Dragon' and 'Prowler' and turned the bodies in. :nonp:

Yeah, this was pretty much a Dark Champions game.

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Iron Alloy: She'd face the music but the funny thing about her...she can't die. Now granted she doesn't know that yet cuz it's never happened to her but being 'killed' and then waking up in a morgue or grave sometime later would be a seriously decent plot line for her personal story and for the world-scape we play in. Her 'resurrection' would be widly speculated upon I'm sure by the national press. Is it really her? An imposter? A devotee taking up her mantle? She'd probably use the opportunity to change her super identity and move on, though she'd always be wracked with guilt.

Darkness: Screw the country, screw the villians and screw you. I'm not going anywhere and facing anyone. I did what I had to do. Yeah it sucks those people got in the way but I didn't put them there to be killed. I find this accusation a flimsy excuse at best to get me out of the way of the corrupt element in the PD. Extradite me if you can...but you have to find me first.

Yeah...she's Dark Champions all the way.