Mind Slayer

[Tribal]

Ok the first female , not to bad but always pictured her much more evil looking

http://www.champions-online.com/villains/mind_slayer

[Blue]

Raaawrrrr.

[Marcus Impudite]

I'll give them credit on this one, it's a step up from the farce they made of Menton; but this is by no means enough to win me over.

[lapsedgamer]

Oh baby. I guess I'll be loking forward to that swimsuit issue after all.

[mvoncannon]

I agree with Marcus on this one. Menton was not what I expected. This one and the last one have at least got my attention.

[BobGreenwade]

Ok the first female , not to bad but always pictured her much more evil lookingShe looks plenty evil to me -- definitely not someone I'd let babysit my dog. :eek:

[Lord Liaden]

Interestingly, the opinions expressed about this character on the Cryptic discussion forums have included a lot of criticism, mostly about how similar the character is in powers and look to Marvel Comics' Psylocke; although the "cheesecake" nature of her costume has also drawn a few jabs.

BTW it appears from Mind Slayer's history blurb that PSI is still up and running as an organization in the Cryptic-ordered Champions Universe, not broken as described in Champions Universe: News Of The World. If true, my condolences to Darren and Steve for the reversal, but I for one approve. :thumbup:

[Legatus]

I think she's great. :love:

[incrdbil]

BTW it appears from Mind Slayer's history blurb that PSI is still up and running as an organization in the Cryptic-ordered Champions Universe, not broken as described in Champions Universe: News Of The World. If true, my condolences to Darren and Steve for the reversal, but I for one approve. :thumbup:

Darn transdimensional mental illusion really messed with Darren and Steve apparently. What else do you expect from those sneaky mentalists, faking their fall?

[NestorDRod]

Dysfunctional childhood? Check.
Gore-inducing special effects? Check.
Skanky black mascara and costume? Check.

Looks plenty evil to me. :eg:

[Enforcer84]

Nice look. I approve.

[James Gillen]

Still don't like the artist, but the costume doesn't suck for once. :D

jg

[incrdbil]

Good work on Mind slayer

[Spence]

Well I think they are starting to get the concept. Each new concept art gets more supervillainey.....

It looks like they are actually reading the various boards and adjusting the character styles. They most likely will go back and adjust the earlier ones once they settle on an overall look and feel.

[Lord Liaden]

Well I think they are starting to get the concept. Each new concept art gets more supervillainey.....

It looks like they are actually reading the various boards and adjusting the character styles. They most likely will go back and adjust the earlier ones once they settle on an overall look and feel.

I have to wonder how much help these postings about character art and concept have actually been. I've noticed that there's something of a divergence of opinion between the folks who post here (mostly Champions PnP RPG fans AFAICT) and those who post exclusively on the Cryptic forums. The latter may be coming from more of a MMORPG background, and have different expectations. At the very least many of them seem to lack experience with the PnP game, and so aren't as familiar with the original characters as most of us here.

[James Gillen]

I have to wonder how much help these postings about character art and concept have actually been. I've noticed that there's something of a divergence of opinion between the folks who post here (mostly Champions PnP RPG fans AFAICT) and those who post exclusively on the Cryptic forums. The latter may be coming from more of a MMORPG background, and have different expectations. At the very least many of them seem to lack experience with the PnP game, and so aren't as familiar with the original characters as most of us here.

That would explain the giant shoulderpads on Ironclad.

jg

[Lord Liaden]

I really do expect Dr. Destroyer in final appearance to look a lot less like a creepy Dr. Fate. That complaint is nearly universal.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Defender gets a face- and throat-covering helmet. ;)

[Lord Fyre]

I think she's great. :love:

True. But remember that Mind Slayer (http://www.champions-online.com/villains/mind_slayer) is a complete psycho! :fear:

(That doesn't mean that she is not completely HAWT :love: )

[BobGreenwade]

They most likely will go back and adjust the earlier ones once they settle on an overall look and feel.I'd bet against this (though I wouldn't bet big money). They've already invested a fair bit of time, energy, and money into what they posted for Ironclad and Defender, and while it's certainly possible that they'll go back and redo them to something more familiar they do have expectations for these characters.

My hope is that for most remaining characters they give the artist in charge pictures of what the character in question has looked like in the past, along with guidelines to any desired changes, and then have them go from there.

[Lord Liaden]

Anyone remember the original illo of Mind Slayer from the first Enemies book? No disrespect intended to Mark Williams, whose character illos I mostly quite enjoyed; but just about anything would be a step up from that one.

[Lord Fyre]

Anyone remember the original illo of Mind Slayer from the first Enemies book? No disrespect intended to Mark Williams, whose character illos I mostly quite enjoyed; but just about anything would be a step up from that one.

True. When she was revised in the Mind Games suppliment (1989 Scott F. Heine), she got a much better look. :winkgrin:

(Still, Mark Williams's work for the original Champions was wonderful for most of the characters. :) )

[Lord Liaden]

Scott Heine's "goth/punk" look for the character, with a cigarette dangling from her hand, really defined Mind Slayer's personality IMHO. He essentially kept it for his updated picture of her in Conquerors, Killers, And Crooks.

And speaking of the redoubtable Mr. Heine:


What I'm wondering about is PSI... Will they be in there? How in the world would mental powers work in such an MMO setting and still preserve the feel of the characters? (Personally, I would find extraordinary pleasure in running into Mind Slayer in game... Mwa ha ha ha!)

Looks like he gets his wish. I'd love to hear Scott's opinion of the Cryptic version (hint, hint). :D

[Lord Fyre]

Scott Heine's "goth/punk" look for the character, with a cigarette dangling from her hand, really defined Mind Slayer's personality IMHO. He essentially kept it for his updated picture of her in Conquerors, Killers, And Crooks.

And speaking of the redoubtable Mr. Heine:




Looks like he gets his wish. I'd love to hear Scott's opinion of the Cryptic version (hint, hint). :D

I don't know. I think meeting Mind Slayer in game might be a might . . . "unhealthy." :shock:

[Spence]

I'd bet against this (though I wouldn't bet big money). They've already invested a fair bit of time, energy, and money into what they posted for Ironclad and Defender, and while it's certainly possible that they'll go back and redo them to something more familiar they do have expectations for these characters.

My hope is that for most remaining characters they give the artist in charge pictures of what the character in question has looked like in the past, along with guidelines to any desired changes, and then have them go from there.

Well I am speaking way out of my area of knowledge, so don't flame me too hard here ;)

But I have a friend who dabbles in making animated images that look like what we are seeing. From what he has said, once the actual wireframe and shapes are created changing the skins and textures is relatively easy and I have seen him do some remarkable changes seemingly on the fly. Now I really have no idea the hows or whys, but it is possible that changing the feel/look will be more cosmetic than detailed and they will be able to do it fairly easy. Of course I also understand that a 3D Image is worlds removed from a 3D image designed to move.

In the end I put the changes into the "possible" category though I have to fully admit I don't have any idea if they will be "probable" or even close to being "worth the expenditure of effort".

[Legatus]

Scott Heine's "goth/punk" look for the character, with a cigarette dangling from her hand, really defined Mind Slayer's personality IMHO. He essentially kept it for his updated picture of her in Conquerors, Killers, And Crooks.


totally agreed
but her new MMO look is not too bad either

[Pattern Ghost]

I think they got it pretty right this time.

Of course, there were pages of rants about her costume on their boards, but I've stopped reading those for the most part b/c the signal to stupid ratio is pretty high.

[gojira]

...the signal to stupid ratio is pretty high.

Welcome to the rest of the internet. This place is paragon of intelligence and politeness compared to 99% of the rest of the 'net, and I include the NGD in that.

[Pattern Ghost]

Yeah, you got that right gojira. :D

[caris]

BTW it appears from Mind Slayer's history blurb that PSI is still up and running as an organization in the Cryptic-ordered Champions Universe, not broken as described in Champions Universe: News Of The World. If true, my condolences to Darren and Steve for the reversal, but I for one approve. :thumbup:

Thread drift warning -

Makes me wonder if there might be other changes forced on to the PnP setting that change/reverse previously held policies for the Champions Universe. Of course, I could have seen Steve putting certain explicit terms in the contract to keep a certain legion of characters out of the CU.

[James Gillen]

Let's just say that every MMO needs an April Fools' event. :eg:

jg

[casualplayer]

She looks like she should have a Psych Lim: Can't harm anyone who knows the safeword. Not that that's a bad thing....

Anyone who thinks she is too much like Psylocke must forget that Psylocke has telepathic powers and Mind Slayer has TK.

[Scott Heine]

Scott Heine's "goth/punk" look for the character, with a cigarette dangling from her hand, really defined Mind Slayer's personality IMHO. He essentially kept it for his updated picture of her in Conquerors, Killers, And Crooks.

And speaking of the redoubtable Mr. Heine:

Looks like he gets his wish. I'd love to hear Scott's opinion of the Cryptic version (hint, hint). :D

When I updated Mind Slayer for Mind Games, I was essentially thinking of her as a purely homicidal threat with a stone-cold heart. Plain and simple: she's messed up. And a run-in with her during an adventure can very well result in someone being dead before it's over.

I really like the new write-up of Mind Slayer for the MMO. The text flows well, and the story captures a lot of what I had in mind.

As for the visual of her, a lot has already been said over at the CO boards about the objectification of women in the comics and I doubt I could add much to that discussion. Personally, I always wince a bit whenever an artist crosses the line between rendering the human form and rendering in such a way that it feels unnecessarily sensual and even pornographic (anyone else remember the wave of nipples in the X-Men for a while?).

That being said, I think the artist for the MMO design kept it tasteful despite a very revealing costume design. Does the new look fit the character? It certainly does as far as Cryptic is concerned, because this is the new Mind Slayer. Do I like it? Well, I like the idea that she is so overly self-confident and brazen that she would walk around that way in public as if she's almost daring a guy to take a second look. I kinda prefer the more gothic/punk design with black hair simply because that's the way I've always pictured teh character. But this new one is kinda cool.

But the real truth is that I'm just thrilled to see the character brought into the game. And I'm excited at the idea of meeting the rest of PSI. (I'm eager to see if they've done something with the idea of Inquisitor!) There's something really personally gratifying to watch any of my creations evolve like that. It's why I always get a kick when someone sends me a story about how they used the Protectors or PSI or whatever in one of their games. I think that's a hoot!

Hey, I'm as eager to play this game as the rest of you. This is gonna be an absolute BLAST!

[Sketchpad]

She looks like she should have a Psych Lim: Can't harm anyone who knows the safeword. Not that that's a bad thing....

Anyone who thinks she is too much like Psylocke must forget that Psylocke has telepathic powers and Mind Slayer has TK.
Psylocke actually has TK powers the last I knew (unless she's reverted back to being a Teep in Exiles). When she "came back from the dead" (tm Marvel Comics), her power array had switched over and she could make a TK Sword.

[Steve Long]

An excellent and classy answer, Scott!

[Log-Man]

An excellent and classy answer, Scott!
Indeed...what the heck is it doing here??

;)

[casualplayer]

Indeed...what the heck is it doing here??

;)

He hardly ever dignifies this place with his wisdom (61 posts!) We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

:hail::hail:

Seriously though, I think I did you proud, Scott, whenever I used Mind Slayer. My players would rather fight Dr. Destroyer in their pajamas than Stacy. :D

[Steve Long]

My players would rather fight Dr. Destroyer in their pajamas than Stacy.

Well, yeah -- if Dr. Destroyer were in my pajamas, I'd want to fight him, too. Not only is he ticking me off by stealing my pajamas, they have a lot less built in weaponry and defensiveness than that armor of his. I'd kick his ass! :D

[casualplayer]

Well, yeah -- if Dr. Destroyer were in my pajamas, I'd want to fight him, too. Not only is he ticking me off by stealing my pajamas, they have a lot less built in weaponry and defensiveness than that armor of his. I'd kick his ass! :D

Normally I'm setting up Enforcer84 or Log-Man for lines like that. It's a privilege to play straight (man) with you, Mr. Long.

[Log-Man]

Well, yeah -- if Dr. Destroyer were in my pajamas, I'd want to fight him, too. Not only is he ticking me off by stealing my pajamas, they have a lot less built in weaponry and defensiveness than that armor of his. I'd kick his ass! :D
:rofl:

[NestorDRod]

Well, yeah -- if Dr. Destroyer were in my pajamas, I'd want to fight him, too. Not only is he ticking me off by stealing my pajamas, they have a lot less built in weaponry and defensiveness than that armor of his. I'd kick his ass! :D

Hmm. Steve Long channeling Groucho Marx. I must mark my calendar. :rolleyes:

:D

[Lord Liaden]

Well, yeah -- if Dr. Destroyer were in my pajamas, I'd want to fight him, too. Not only is he ticking me off by stealing my pajamas, they have a lot less built in weaponry and defensiveness than that armor of his. I'd kick his ass! :D

Just be wary that he's not wearing techno-lederhosen under them.

[Steve Long]

Must... pour... acid... in ear... erase... thought... of Destroyer... in techno-lederhosen....

Must... not let... Scott Heine... get it in his head... to illustrate this....

:eek: :nonp: :fear: :angst: :D

[Pattern Ghost]

Psylocke actually has TK powers the last I knew (unless she's reverted back to being a Teep in Exiles). When she "came back from the dead" (tm Marvel Comics), her power array had switched over and she could make a TK Sword.

The sword is actually telepathic in nature. When she first started using it, it always got jammed through someone's brain, causing the brain to shut down. I stopped reading X-men shortly after that event, though, so I don't know how it's currently being portrayed.

[Pattern Ghost]

OK, just read Wiki entry on her. Looks like she traded her psychic knife in for a telekinetic katana.

Hmm

[Sketchpad]

The sword is actually telepathic in nature. When she first started using it, it always got jammed through someone's brain, causing the brain to shut down. I stopped reading X-men shortly after that event, though, so I don't know how it's currently being portrayed.

OK, just read Wiki entry on her. Looks like she traded her psychic knife in for a telekinetic katana.

Hmm

Yup, after she died in Extreme X-Men, she was brought back because Claremont likes his women mutants ;) When she did, she lost her Teep abilities and became a TK user ... though that could've changed now that she's in Exiles.

[Lord Liaden]

Must... pour... acid... in ear... erase... thought... of Destroyer... in techno-lederhosen....

Must... not let... Scott Heine... get it in his head... to illustrate this....

:eek: :nonp: :fear: :angst: :D

I freaked out Steve Long! :rockon:

[Scott Heine]

Must... pour... acid... in ear... erase... thought... of Destroyer... in techno-lederhosen....

Must... not let... Scott Heine... get it in his head... to illustrate this....

:eek: :nonp: :fear: :angst: :D

Of course, you know I wouldn't have really thought of it until you said that. Now where did I put my sketch pad...?

[Steve Long]

I see "reverse psychology" still works. :eg:

Must not... let Scott Heine... get the idea... to illustrate all of my player characters....

[BobGreenwade]

I wonder if we could get the same effect regarding Grond in a McDonald's uniform? (In which "You want fries with that!" is not a question....)

[NestorDRod]

I wonder if we could get the same effect regarding Grond in a McDonald's uniform? (In which "You want fries with that!" is not a question....)

Hmm... Nah, it just doesn't have the same impact.

Now, Grond wearing a Madonna-style missile bra, that's sure to cause an ocular anuerysm in someone. :eg:

[Log-Man]

Hmm... Nah, it just doesn't have the same impact.

Now, Grond wearing a Madonna-style missile bra, that's sure to cause an ocular anuerysm in someone. :eg:And glitter lipstick.

[Lord Liaden]

I was going to call "thread topic drift," but I realized we're still discussing mind slayers. :p

[Log-Man]

Roll for SAN loss :eg:

[Tim]

People on these boards are sane????

as to Mind SLayer I like Scott's look better. But I'm willing to see how it looks on the screen. And if you've ever looked at the concept art for any movie or animation, the styles can change drastically between the concept art and what shows up.

[Scott Heine]

Must... pour... acid... in ear... erase... thought... of Destroyer... in techno-lederhosen....

Must... not let... Scott Heine... get it in his head... to illustrate this....

:eek: :nonp: :fear: :angst: :D


For what it's worth, the pencils for Dr. Destroyer in lederhosen are done. Hopefully I'll ink it this week and send it off with the other (assigned and official) art for Book of the Destroyer. It'll just be up to Steve if he can find a way to squeeze in the good Doctor at a local Oktoberfest into the book (I wouldn't hold your breath)...

:D

[BobGreenwade]

For what it's worth, the pencils for Dr. Destroyer in lederhosen are done. Hopefully I'll ink it this week and send it off with the other (assigned and official) art for Book of the Destroyer. It'll just be up to Steve if he can find a way to squeeze in the good Doctor at a local Oktoberfest into the book (I wouldn't hold your breath)...In the Index, perhaps. Or, if there's a discussion of "alternate dimension" versions of Dr. D..... :D

[NestorDRod]

At the risk of drifting this thread right off the rails, I have to say that if Storn's Mini-D picture doesn't make it into the Book of the Destroyer, I will be seriously disappointed. :winkgrin:

[Roth]

Just my 2 cents. I loved Mind Games... Mind Slayer was such fun. And I like the new look too. Gives it a bit of an alternate twist.

[AndyM]

Must... pour... acid... in ear... erase... thought... of Destroyer... in techno-lederhosen....

Must... not let... Scott Heine... get it in his head... to illustrate this....

:eek: :nonp: :fear: :angst: :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA too late ...

Andy

[Sketchpad]

For what it's worth, the pencils for Dr. Destroyer in lederhosen are done. Hopefully I'll ink it this week and send it off with the other (assigned and official) art for Book of the Destroyer. It'll just be up to Steve if he can find a way to squeeze in the good Doctor at a local Oktoberfest into the book (I wouldn't hold your breath)...

:D
Scott are you doing some of the art for BotD?

[Enforcer84]

For what it's worth, the pencils for Dr. Destroyer in lederhosen are done. Hopefully I'll ink it this week and send it off with the other (assigned and official) art for Book of the Destroyer. It'll just be up to Steve if he can find a way to squeeze in the good Doctor at a local Oktoberfest into the book (I wouldn't hold your breath)...

:D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA too late ...

Andy

You are evil EVIL men. And Steve is probably now reduced to a simpering pile of letters and tears.

[Scott Heine]

Well, see, what we *really* need now is for someone to turn it into a T-Shirt for GenCon! Perhaps with a big ol' "DOKTOBERFEST! The Brew of the Destroyer" splashed on the bottom. (Yes, I'd be happy to supply the artwork.)

I just *know* that Steve would want one. :D

[lemming]

Heck. I'm thinking home brew with some labels.

[death tribble]

At the risk of drifting this thread right off the rails, I have to say that if Storn's Mini-D picture doesn't make it into the Book of the Destroyer, I will be seriously disappointed. :winkgrin:

That depends on any agreement between Steve and Storn. True I paid for it for Hermit but there are different costs for reprinting artwork in a book as Storn pointed out to me.

[NestorDRod]

Well, see, what we *really* need now is for someone to turn it into a T-Shirt for GenCon! Perhaps with a big ol' "DOKTOBERFEST! The Brew of the Destroyer" splashed on the bottom. (Yes, I'd be happy to supply the artwork.)

I just *know* that Steve would want one. :D

Oh. Oh Ghod. Yes.

It must be done!

"DOKTOBERFEST! The Brew of the Destroyer" :lol:

[NestorDRod]

That depends on any agreement between Steve and Storn. True I paid for it for Hermit but there are different costs for reprinting artwork in a book as Storn pointed out to me.

Good point.

Hmmm... would it help if I said pretty please? :D

[Scott Heine]

So... Who has a buddy in the T-Shirt printing business?

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6982/doktoberfestbrewjv0.jpg

[BobGreenwade]

So... Who has a buddy in the T-Shirt printing business?

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6982/doktoberfestbrewjv0.jpgIf this had appeared a week ago in the CafePress store, I would have bought one.

Put it there now, and I still might.

[Blue]

That doth rule.

[Hagadorn]

Yay, New desktop.

[Legatus]

...Doctor, doctor, gimme the brew,
It's got a bad taste of sweat n' you...

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Hermit]

So... Who has a buddy in the T-Shirt printing business?

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6982/doktoberfestbrewjv0.jpg

I must celebrate this!

[Mendou]

So... Who has a buddy in the T-Shirt printing business?

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6982/doktoberfestbrewjv0.jpg
I don't drink, but even I'd be tempted to pick up a T-shirt. I doubt I'd wear it any where other than a gaming convention, but it is quite amusing ^_^

[yamamura]

Or a sweatshirt! Cafe Press does sweatshirts! Now we need some one with brewing skills.

[Log-Man]

Awesome.


I don't know what else to say. Just... awesome.

:hail:

[FenrisUlf]

Doktoberfest is composed of so much awesome and win there is now nothing left for the rest of the universe. :hail:

[FenrisUlf]

Now, Grond wearing a Madonna-style missile bra, that's sure to cause an ocular anuerysm in someone. :eg:

And glitter lipstick.

I was going to call "thread topic drift," but I realized we're still discussing mind slayers. :p

Roll for SAN loss :eg:

People on these boards are sane????

Not any more. :fear: :angst: :idjit: :sick:

[FenrisUlf]

Oh and since I forgot.

The new Mind Slayer is teh hawt. She can probe my brain anytime. :eek: :D

[bubba smith]

So... Who has a buddy in the T-Shirt printing business?

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6982/doktoberfestbrewjv0.jpg
i believe the phrase is ACH DU LIBEIR

[Legatus]

i believe the phrase is ACH DU LIBEIR

what were you trying to say?

[bubba smith]

what were you trying to say?
that was my responce to seeing dr destroyer dressed like that did i msspell it?

[James Gillen]

Ach Du LIEBER!

[bubba smith]

danke'

[Scott Heine]

ADMINISTRATOR'S NOTE: I've deleted the text of Scott's post so that I can OK this shirt thing with Cryptic. I'd prefer that they be OK with it before money starts exchanging hands. ;) Once I get their OK I will restore Scott's text and link post-haste! ;)

SCOTT'S NOTE: Oh, fine. :D See what happens when you've got a lawyer running the company? (I luff you, Steve!)

[casualplayer]

Ya know, I killed a player once for using his Instant Change Usable as Attack to put Dr. D into clown makeup (true story.) Now I find out Zerstoiten likes to dress like one of the Von Trapp children, knock a few back and listen to Ooompa music. :nonp: Guess he's not as much of stick-in-the-mud as I thought...

[Princedarkstorm]

She looks great !

[Tech]

Don't like.