The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown

[Gold Rush Games]

We are gearing up to officially announce and start promoting The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown, which includes HERO System (5th Edition), Action! System (http://www.action-system.com) and (drumroll, please) M&M Supersystem stats.

The Dragon's Gate is the long-awaited fourth book in the Origins Award-nominated San Angelo: City of Heroes (http://www.goldrushgames.com/sacoh.html) line from Gold Rush Games. Since we reacquired the San Angelo property from Hero Games we've been working on updating the book and. at long last, it will be published and made available to superhero RPG fans world-wide!

We just received approval of the M&M Supersystem license from Green Ronin, and we are fortunate to have the talents of Steve Kenson (M&M and Freedom City (was the original New Century City manuscript, for SACoH fans who remember that announced product) and Aaron Sullivan (Blackwyrm Games) doing the M&M conversions for us.

We're very excited about this product, which serves as our re-entry into the world of superhero RPG publishing! Spread the word!

Your superhero campaign city will never be the same again...

The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown, San Angelo: City of Heroes and Action! System are trademarks of Gold Rush Games. HERO System and Champions are trademarks of Hero Games and are used under license.

[Keneton]

I was a big fan of the San Angelo series. I only hope that the FRED conversion will be satisfactory. The first San Angelo product was full of math errors on the chracacter sheets. Please promise a well edited product.

The background material was always top notch and set the standard for future products. I look forward to seeing it in stores.
:)

[Monolith]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
and (drumroll, please) M&M Supersystem stats.
There should be a drumroll because it uses M&M Supersystem stats? It seems to me the drumroll should be for the HERO System stats.

[misterdeath]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
We are gearing up to officially announce and start promoting The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown,

So...

What's changed for us poor schlubs that bought the .pdf version from Hero back in the Cybergames days?

Corrected character sheets, hopefully. Anything else?

D

[RPMiller]

Originally posted by Keneton
I was a big fan of the San Angelo series. I only hope that the FRED conversion will be satisfactory. The first San Angelo product was full of math errors on the chracacter sheets. Please promise a well edited product.

The background material was always top notch and set the standard for future products. I look forward to seeing it in stores.
:) That shouldn't be the case this time around. HeroDesigner was used to create all the characters, and thus everything should be correct. Enjoy!

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by Keneton
I was a big fan of the San Angelo series. I only hope that the FRED conversion will be satisfactory. The first San Angelo product was full of math errors on the chracacter sheets. Please promise a well edited product.
I'm afraid I can't promise that. In fact, our market research shows that the increased controversy due to poorly written characters and mathematically incorrect scores tends to actually increase sales. As a result, we are planning to ensure that not a single character conforms to 5th Edition rules. ;)

All kidding aside, some of our products in the past have included some errors, that is true (how many RPG books don't, though?).

You'll be happy to know that our from Hero Games requires pre-publication approval of the book and that the character write-ups (for 5th Ed.) were accomplished by Robert Miller using the latest version of Hero Designer. Everything should be "good to go," as we used to say in the military. ;)


The background material was always top notch and set the standard for future products. I look forward to seeing it in stores.
Start bugging your retailer now! We want every HERO System fan to drive demand for the book so that retailers order sufficient quantities (ensuring that distributors order sufficient quantities from us).

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by Monolith
It seems to me the drumroll should be for the HERO System stats.
The book contains (drumroll, please)... HERO System 5th Edition stats!

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by misterdeath
What's changed for us poor schlubs that bought the .pdf version from Hero back in the Cybergames days?
The character write-ups conform to HERO System 5th Ed.
The map is being redone
Flamestar has been removed
The book will include minor edits to update the book
There will also be some additional changes, but most importantly... it will be printed and bound! ;)

[RPMiller]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
You'll be happy to know that our from Hero Games requires pre-publication approval of the book and that the character write-ups (for 5th Ed.) were accomplished by Robert Miller using the latest version of Hero Designer. Everything should be "good to go," as we used to say in the military. ;) Cool! I got a plug! Thanks Mark for that vote of confidence! :D

[Keneton]

Thanks for the fast and helpful response.
:)

[tiger]

Will you be redoing and rereleasing the first 3 books of the series?

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by tiger
Will you be redoing and rereleasing the first 3 books of the series?
We are developing a San Angelo: City of Heroes 2nd Edition book for release some time next year, yes (no release date at this time). It's being updated by the original author, Patrick Sweeney, and developed by myself and Robert Miller.

We are also planning to revamp/update and re-release Enemies of San Angelo (http://www.goldrushgames.com/eosa.html) and Denizens of San Angelo (http://www.goldrushgames.com/dosa.html) in some format, as well, although we have not yet decided how best to do that.

It may be that we publish the material from both EoSA and DoSA in a single big book, with characters updated for 5th Ed., updating the backgrounds, as well as adding some new characters to the book.

Again, there is no release date set yet for any other SA material beyond The Dragon's Gate. If The Dragon's Gate sells well, I anticipate you will see at least one more book inthe first quarter of '04, however.

[Darren Watts]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
I'm afraid I can't promise that. In fact, our market research shows that the increased controversy due to poorly written characters and mathematically incorrect scores tends to actually increase sales. As a result, we are planning to ensure that not a single character conforms to 5th Edition rules. ;)



Curses! He's stolen our sinister marketing plan, the fiend! We'll have to go back to our first plan, where we lie and tell everybody color art is *really expensive*, when actually it's free! In fact, if you put color art in a book, printers pay you! No one must ever know... wait, did I just use my outdoors voice? dw

[Nato]

Great news! I'm a big fan of San Angelo and have swiped stuff regularly from it for my own games. Can't wait to see what comes out for it.

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by Nato
Great news! I'm a big fan of San Angelo and have swiped stuff regularly from it for my own games. Can't wait to see what comes out for it.
Then you'll definitely want to buy The Dragon's Gate when it comes out. Though technically not released after SACoH2, it is 2nd Ed. in terms of it being compliant with 5th Ed. and, er... um... You know what I mean, right? ;)

[misterdeath]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
I'm afraid I can't promise that. In fact, our market research shows that the increased controversy due to poorly written characters and mathematically incorrect scores tends to actually increase sales. As a result, we are planning to ensure that not a single character conforms to 5th Edition rules. ;)


Replace the 5th with 4th, and you describe the ICE age to a T.

D

[misterdeath]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
The character write-ups conform to HERO System 5th Ed.
The map is being redone
Flamestar has been removed
The book will include minor edits to update the book
There will also be some additional changes, but most importantly... it will be printed and bound! ;)

I'll have to look at it, then. The book is really cool, and very useful, albeit the .pdf looks ... rushed.

Minor edits and cleaning some things up would make the book mostly perfect.

Thanks!

D

[TheQuestionMan]

If The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown matches the quality of San Angelo : City of Heroes then by all means I'll buy a copy . If it only matches the quality of Denizens of San Angelo . Then leave it as a pdf. on the cheap .

I thrilled that the San Angelo setting is coming back and look forward to aquiring you hard work .

Too cool for words E.

[RPMiller]

Originally posted by TheQuestionMan
If The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown matches the quality of San Angelo : City of Heroes then by all means I'll buy a copy . If it only matches the quality of Denizens of San Angelo . Then leave it as a pdf. on the cheap .

I thrilled that the San Angelo setting is coming back and look forward to aquiring you hard work .

Too cool for words E. It matches the quality of SA. The only missing from the last draft that I played with was a map of China Town.

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by TheQuestionMan
If The Dragon's Gate: San Angelo's Chinatown matches the quality of San Angelo : City of Heroes then by all means I'll buy a copy . If it only matches the quality of Denizens of San Angelo . Then leave it as a pdf. on the cheap .
What do you mean by that, exactly?

[death tribble]

I have the other printed San Angelo material so I will be getting this.

[tiger]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
It may be that we publish the material from both EoSA and DoSA in a single big book, with characters updated for 5th Ed., updating the backgrounds, as well as adding some new characters to the book.


I think it's make a nice book together. Get the bad guys of the town along with other NPCs. Make for a very useful book

I'm looking forward to it all myself. I like having several city settings to use in a campaign

[tiger]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
Then you'll definitely want to buy The Dragon's Gate when it comes out. Though technically not released after SACoH2, it is 2nd Ed. in terms of it being compliant with 5th Ed. and, er... um... You know what I mean, right? ;)

Any idea of even a rough release date?

[Bartman]

You should have your inner dialog checked Darren. It appears to be leaking. ;)

As for Dragon's Gate, I'll have to see it when it hits the stores. I have a copy of the Cybergames edition. And while I thought it was a great buy, I haven't actually used it once yet. I would really have to be impressed to pick it up again. None the less I have enjoyed all the SA products released so far and would recomend any of them.

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by tiger
Any idea of even a rough release date?

Late November/early December.

[Sketchpad]

Excellent! I'm looking foward to the new wave of SA material! :)

[RPMiller]

Just out of curiosity how many folks would be interested in HeroDesigner Character packs for the SA books?
I'm not making any promises of any kind, I'm just wondering.

[Gold Rush Games]

I would! I would!

<Looks around>

Oh, wait...

[TheQuestionMan]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games
What do you mean by that, exactly?

I found the Denizens of San Angelo a bit of a let down . While it provides plenty of NPCs their sub-plots were poor and in some cases non-existant . The cost was high for what we got .

I simply found San Angelo : City of Heroes a better product and inspirational . Enemies of San Angelo was almost the same size , but provided a lot more in the way of sub-plots , interesting NPCs , and inspiational stuff .

I'll read it thourghly again and give you a better and more detailed comment . IMO .

Thanks for checking back and make mine a HERO from Gold Rush Games .

P.S. : has anyone ever produced a Usagi Yojimbo conversion to HERO / Action System / or M&M ???

[RPMiller]

Originally posted by TheQuestionMan
I'll read it thourghly again and give you a better and more detailed comment . IMO . Please do. I would really like to know about the character stats as well. Do you prefer the brief format or the larger versions, and what characters interest you and which don't.
Originally posted by TheQuestionMan P.S. : has anyone ever produced a Usagi Yojimbo conversion to HERO / Action System / or M&M ??? Gold Rush Games is creating conversions for all three products, and is currently only converting SA to Hero, however there may be some conversion guidelines released that would allow anyone to convert however they wish in the future.
Are you asking to be able to convert in all directions or from one specifically to another, ie A!S to Hero?

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by TheQuestionMan
I found the Denizens of San Angelo a bit of a let down . While it provides plenty of NPCs their sub-plots were poor and in some cases non-existant . The cost was high for what we got .
Ouch.

Okay. I appreciate your honest appraisal.


Enemies of San Angelo was almost the same size , but provided a lot more in the way of sub-plots , interesting NPCs , and inspiational stuff .
EoSA was 50% larger than DoSA. And EoSA was primarily about supers, whereas DoSA was primarily about Normals.

With more space to write background and stats in EoSA, and (IME) Hero fans' preference for supers, I suspect that DoSa simply didn't provide what most Champions fans wanted -- supers and lots of neat background material.

DoSA certainly sold far fewer copies than EoSA did (1600 vs 700), which seems to support my theory as well.


I'll read it thourghly again and give you a better and more detailed comment .
Thanks.


Thanks for checking back and make mine a HERO from Gold Rush Games .
You're making me all misty-eyed. ::sniff:: But seriously, thank you for your vote of confidence!


P.S. : has anyone ever produced a Usagi Yojimbo conversion to HERO / Action System / or M&M ???
I believe so. I know I did one years ago, though it never got posted on-line. I've since misplaced it, though a 5th Ed. conversion would be cool.

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by Durnin
Gold Rush Games is creating conversions for all three products, and is currently only converting SA to Hero,
What he means is that all three San Angelo books are being converted to HERO System 5th Ed., ActioN! System and M&M Superlink.


...however there may be some conversion guidelines released that would allow anyone to convert however they wish in the future.
As a matter of fact, as I mentioned in another forum, one of my many projects is an official HERO System-Action! System (http://www.action-system.com) conversion document. The kind folks at Hero Games gave me the green light to develop it for publication and, pending their review, will give the Hero seal of approval to make it official!

[Hermit]

I must admit, it's gratifying to see how well so many gaming companies work together. :)

[JmOz]

I only have one SA book (The Enemies book). I found it extremly well done, except for some character creation mistakes (For instance, and this one REALLY bugged me, there were END Reserves IN multipowers, to power the Multipower)

[TheQuestionMan]

Originally posted by Gold Rush Games

I believe so. I know I did one years ago, though it never got posted on-line. I've since misplaced it, though a 5th Ed. conversion would be cool.
Please get copy of Fantasy Hero 5thEd before you do . It provides an excellent section on Races Creation that I tkink you'll appreciate . I know I did :)

Fan , Gamer , and Consummer all wrapped up in one handsome package . How could I be wrong . :)

[Gold Rush Games]

Originally posted by TheQuestionMan
Please get copy of Fantasy Hero 5thEd before you do . It provides an excellent section on Races Creation that I tkink you'll appreciate .
Got it. Thanks.

[Gold Rush Games]

Just FYI, I posted an announcement about The Dragon's Gate (http://www.goldrushgames.com/dgsac.html) on the Hero Board. You can read it here (http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7074).