Galactic Champions--poll 2: Active Points? [Archive]

megaplayboy

Aug 18th, '03, 12:24 PM

Posted a poll a while back asking how many total character points the guidelines should set in GC for low, middle and high end campaigns. The follow up: how many active points should be the limit for the low, middle, and high end campaigns?

BenKimball

Aug 18th, '03, 05:52 PM

Ack! 150+? Just say no to power inflationism! =)

Cheers,
Ben

Keneton

Aug 18th, '03, 06:11 PM

Galactic champiosn should use the ER with a limit of betweeen 120 and 150 ER.

Active points are not all of what the power level is about. Some members of the infinity watch had 60 or 70 active point attacks.

:)

OddHat

Aug 18th, '03, 07:51 PM

Active point limits as a guideline are fine. OTOH, the active point totals of a power do not necessarily reflect that power's utility in or out of combat. Sometimes you want the telepath who can send a message across galaxies or represent an embodied world mind. I'd say no top limit for active point totals in a very high powered Galactic Champions game, with the understanding that GMs are going to have to be ready to smack the guy who comes up with the indirect transdimensional continuous triple penetrating transformation attack using a very big stick with a nail in the end.
:)

assault

Aug 18th, '03, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by OddHat
the indirect transdimensional continuous triple penetrating transformation attack using a very big stick with a nail in the end.
:)

I think a very big stick with a nail in the end is a perfectly reasonable focus for an indirect transdimensional continuous triple penetrating transformation attack. It just screams "agent of Darkseid" to me.

I don't see why the GM would want to smack anyone for that.

Or do you mean that the GM would use a very big stick with a nail in the end to smack the _player_?

:)

Alan

lemming

Aug 19th, '03, 06:56 AM

I'm of the thought that the utility of the power is going to be more a factor than sticking to some active point ceiling.
I was in a Galactic Champions game a few years ago. We each had a low, medium, and high powered character. I think active points went from ~60 to 700 AP.
The 700 point one was an Element Lad like construct of putting a large dome up. Though he got a fuel air explosive added as well later on.

It all depends on your play style, our group had a lot of fun.

Keneton

Aug 19th, '03, 04:48 PM

Once again I am saying between 120 and 150 ER or Effectiveness Rating not 120 - 150 Active Points. Cosmic Champions is an incremental increase over regular champions in power. You will see more Dex, Speed, Attack power, Defense etc...

:)

megaplayboy

Aug 19th, '03, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Keneton
Once again I am saying between 120 and 150 ER or Effectiveness Rating not 120 - 150 Active Points. Cosmic Champions is an incremental increase over regular champions in power. You will see more Dex, Speed, Attack power, Defense etc...

:)

eh...too easy to build to concept and surpass those levels, sometimes. 30 DEX, 5 levels, 15d6, special defenses, 35 pd/ed etc will get you up there pretty quickly. God forbid a character throws 20 dice or more!
Mon-El, Goku, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Thor, Martian Manhunter, Phoenix, X-Man, and others will clock in at incredible levels--a typical high end cosmic hero could trash a team of 350 or even 450 point PCs in about a turn;)

Keneton

Aug 19th, '03, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by megaplayboy
Mon-El, Goku, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Thor, Martian Manhunter, Phoenix, X-Man, and others will clock in at incredible levels--a typical high end cosmic hero could trash a team of 350 or even 450 point PCs in about a turn;)
Sure its easy to exceed 150 ER. Its much more difficult to be an efficiant 120!. Keneton is almost 1200 points and that is earned EP! Horror Hunter and Shade from our campaign are over 2000 points.
PC's over 150 ER are built out of whack and campaigns at that level break down. The example you gave is likely around 110 ER no where near 150!

Now you can get up there. Doc D from the book is over 200 ER
Goku, I shudder to think at what his ER would be. I do not consider Silver Surfer, Pheonix, Gladiator to be PC's, but the others arguably could be.

I'd guess Thor's ER would be about 130 and maybe less due to veteran bonus.
:)

The ER is a great way of controlling a campaign like this. Active points do not consider the mainstay at this level Dex and Speed. Imagine 4d6 HKA (8d6 with str) at an 8 speed and 20+ OCV. You can have that and more at these ER levels.
:)

megaplayboy

Aug 19th, '03, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Keneton
Sure its easy to exceed 150 ER. Its much more difficult to be an efficiant 120!. Keneton is almost 1200 points and that is earned EP! Horror Hunter and Shade from our campaign are over 2000 points.
PC's over 150 ER are built out of whack and campaigns at that level break down. The example you gave is likely around 110 ER no where near 150!

Now you can get up there. Doc D from the book is over 200 ER
Goku, I shudder to think at what his ER would be. I do not consider Silver Surfer, Pheonix, Gladiator to be PC's, but the others arguably could be.

I'd guess Thor's ER would be about 130 and maybe less due to veteran bonus.
:)

The ER is a great way of controlling a campaign like this. Active points do not consider the mainstay at this level Dex and Speed. Imagine 4d6 HKA (8d6 with str) at an 8 speed and 20+ OCV. You can have that and more at these ER levels.
:)

Silver Surfer was a member of the Defenders and several ad hoc teams in the comics, one of them consisting of former heralds of Galactus. Gladiator is a member of an alien superteam. Phoenix was on the X-men, Rachel summers was on Excalibur, and the future Phoenix was a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Goku is of course a member of "Earth's special forces", who routinely fight alien and otherdimensional threats to Earth and other planets.

If Dr. D is at a 200 ER, and a team of 600 point heroes can beat him, then there are likely heroes in a high end cosmic game who can go mano y mano with him.;)

lemming

Aug 20th, '03, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Keneton
PC's over 150 ER are built out of whack and campaigns at that level break down. The example you gave is likely around 110 ER no where near 150!
:)
YMMV. Just for the heck of it, I plugged in some characters from that campaign. They ranged in ER from 100 - 250 for the small sample I entered.
The GM was brilliant and we were able to have the low ER characters contribute in adventures that the high ER characters were in as well.

Keneton

Aug 20th, '03, 12:50 PM

If you have one GM the need for the ER is reduced greatly. I still urge its use as a mens for writing excellent cosmic games. here for example is a cosmic villain in our campaign.

Nimrod the Hunter

Player: NPC

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">55  </td><td>STR</td><td>45</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>DEX</td><td>60</td></tr><tr><td align="right">50  </td><td>CON</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>BODY</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">25  </td><td>INT</td><td>15</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>EGO</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">50  </td><td>PRE</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td align="right">30  </td><td>COM</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">40  </td><td>PD</td><td>9</td></tr><tr><td align="right">35  </td><td>ED</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td align="right">7  </td><td>SPD</td><td>30</td></tr><tr><td align="right">21  </td><td>REC</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">100  </td><td>END</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">85  </td><td>STUN</td><td>2</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">15"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">11"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 376

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">90  </td><td>The Glaive of Power: Multipower, 90-point reserve [Notes: Although the Glaive appears to be an OAF it is just an effect of The Power Cosmic and hence can be summoned at will.] </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">1u  </td><td>1) Blunt End Strike: Hand-To-Hand Attack +2d6, Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2) (15 Active Points); Hand-To-Hand Attack (-1/2) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">9u  </td><td>2) Fusion Blade: Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 2d6 (plus STR) (vs. ED), Affects Desolidified Any form of Desolidification (+1/2), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2), Penetrating (x2; +1) (90 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">7u  </td><td>3) Naked Blade Strike: Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 3d6 +1 (plus STR) (vs. PD), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2) (75 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">7u  </td><td>4) Physical Spear Attack: Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 3d6 (plus STR) (vs. ED), Ranged (+1/2), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2) (90 Active Points); Range Based On Strength (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">58  </td><td>The Inescapable Net of Nimrod: Entangle 6d6, 12 DEF, Takes No Damage From Attacks Limited Group (+1/4), Cannot Be Escaped With Teleportation (+1/4), Affects Desolidified Any form of Desolidification (+1/2), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2), Area Of Effect (2" radius; +3/4) (292 Active Points); OAF Unbreakable Expendable (Extremely Difficult to obtain new Focus; -2), 1 Recoverable Charges (-1 1/4), Cannot Form Barriers (-1/4), Range Based On Strength (-1/4), Limited Power Power loses about a fourth of its effectiveness (-1/4) [Notes: Created from hypedense fibers found on the event horizon of the largest black hole in the galaxy. The net requires a 30 Strength just to lift. It is completely unique and indestructable. Other 1/4 limitation is due to immense weight and effects on range.] </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">315  </td><td>Elder of The Universe Package: (Total: 394 Active Cost, 315 Real Cost) Energy Damage Reduction, Resistant, 50% (Real Cost: 30) plus Physical Damage Reduction, Resistant, 50% (Real Cost: 30) plus Armor (20 PD/20 ED), Hardened (+1/4) (75 Active Points) (Real Cost: 75) plus Life Support , Eating: Character does not eat, Immunity: All terrestrial diseases and biowarfare agents, Immunity: All terrestrial poisons and chemical warfare agents, Longevity: Immortal, Safe in High Pressure, Safe in High Radiation, Safe in Intense Cold, Safe in Intense Heat, Safe in Low Pressure/Vacuum, Self-Contained Breathing, Sleeping: Character does not sleep (Real Cost: 50) plus Healing 3 BODY (Can Heal Limbs, Resurrection), Inherent (+1/4), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (124 Active Points); Extra Time (Regeneration-Only) 1 Turn (Post-Segment 12) (-1 1/4), Self Only (-1/2) (Real Cost: 45) plus Flash Defense (10 points) (Sight Group) (Real Cost: 10) plus Flash Defense (5 points) (Hearing Group) (Real Cost: 5) plus Lack Of Weakness (-5) for Normal Defense (Real Cost: 5) plus Lack Of Weakness (-5) for Mental Defense (Real Cost: 5) plus Lack Of Weakness (-5) for Resistant Defenses (Real Cost: 5) plus Lack Of Weakness (-5) for Power Defense (Real Cost: 5) plus Luck 6d6 (Real Cost: 30) plus +10 Mental Defense (16 points total) (Real Cost: 10) plus Power Defense (10 points) (Real Cost: 10) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">34  </td><td>Enhanced Senses: (Total: 34 Active Cost, 34 Real Cost) Enhanced Perception (+5 to PER Rolls for All Sense Groups) (Real Cost: 15) plus Nightvision (Real Cost: 5) plus Telescopic +6 to PER Rolls (only to offset the Range Modifier) (Sight Group; Additional Sense: Normal Hearing) (Real Cost: 9) plus Mental Awareness (Real Cost: 5) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">33  </td><td>Fleet of Foot: +9" Running (15" total), Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2) (33 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">7  </td><td>Long Reach and/or Glaive: Stretching 1", Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (10 Active Points); No Noncombat Stretching (-1/4), Always Direct (-1/4) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">200  </td><td>Power Cosmic: VPP, 100 base + 100 control cost, Cosmic (+2) (250 Active Points); Limited Class Of Powers Available Limited (-1/2) [Notes: Cannot add to any existing power or characteristics, no defenses (this does not include desolidification, invisibility or missile deflection-these powers are acceptable). Generally Nimrod uses the Power Cosmic for attacks or for attacks or special effects. The GM may allow a more potent use of his powers to be a plot device. Nimrod also uses this power for flight and FTL when outside of his spaceship.] </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">10  </td><td>Size and Density: Knockback Resistance -5" </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">27  </td><td>Tireless: +0 STR, Reduced Endurance 0 END (+1/2) (27 Active Points) (Modifiers affect Base Characteristic) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 798

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Martial Arts Maneuver</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td>Hand to Hand Arts </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>1) Charge: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, -2 DCV, STR +2d6 +v/5 Strike, FMove </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>2) Crush: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, STR +4d6 Crush, Must Follow Grab </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>3) Fast Strike: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, +0 DCV, STR +2d6 Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>4) Flying Dodge: 1/2 Phase, -- OCV, +4 DCV, Dodge All Attacks, Abort; FMove </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>5) Flying Grab: 1/2 Phase, -2 OCV, -1 DCV, Grab Two Limbs, +10 STR for holding on; FMove </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>6) Flying Tackle: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, -1 DCV, STR +v/5 Strike; You Fall, Target Falls; FMove </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>7) Legsweep: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, -1 DCV, STR +1d6 Strike, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>8) Martial Dodge: 1/2 Phase, -- OCV, +5 DCV, Dodge, Affects All Attacks, Abort </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>9) Martial Escape: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, +15 STR vs. Grabs </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>10) Martial Grab: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, -1 DCV, Grab Two Limbs, +10 STR for holding on </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>11) Martial Strike: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +2 DCV, STR +2d6 Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>12) Martial Throw: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +1 DCV, STR +v/5, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>13) Passing Throw: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, STR +v/5; Target Falls; FMove </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>14) Reversal: var Phase, -1 OCV, -2 DCV, +15 STR to Escape; Grab Two Limbs </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>15) Root: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, +15 STR to resist Shove; Block, Abort </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>16) Sacrifice Strike: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, -2 DCV, STR +4d6 Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>17) Sacrifice Throw: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, +1 DCV, STR Strike; You Fall, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>18) Shove: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, +15 STR to Shove </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>19) Takeaway: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, Grab Weapon, +10 STR to take weapon away </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>20) Weapon Bind: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +0 DCV, Bind, +10 STR </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>21) Weapon Element: Blades, Fist-Loads, Nets, Off Hand, Polearms and Spears, Whips </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">  </td><td>Ranged Martial Arts </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>1) Basic Shot: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, Range +2, Strike, +2 DC </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>2) Trip: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +2, v/5, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>3) Ranged Disarm: 1/2 Phase, +0 OCV, +0 DCV, Range +0, Disarm, +15 STR </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>4) Quick Shot: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, +0 DCV, Range +0, Strike, +2 DC </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>5) Offensive Trip: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +0, Strike +v/5, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>6) Offensive Shot: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +0, Strike, +4 DC </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>7) Offensive Ranged Disarm: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +2, Disarm, +10 STR </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>8) Far Shot: 1/2 Phase, +1 OCV, -1 DCV, Range +4, Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>9) Distance Shot: 1+1 Phase, +0 OCV, -2 DCV, Range +6, Strike , +1 Segment </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>10) Defensive Shot: 1/2 Phase, -1 OCV, +2 DCV, Range +0, Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>11) Weapon Element: Boomerangs and Throwing Clubs, Bows, Crossbows, Javelins and Thrown Spears, Thrown Knives, Axes, and Darts, Thrown Rocks </td></tr></table>Martial Arts Cost: 135

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Analyze: Combat 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Analyze: Style 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>Animal Handler 19- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Breakfall 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Combat Piloting 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Computer Programming 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Concealment 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Defense Maneuver: I-IV  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Fast Draw 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Navigation (Air, Dimensional, Land, Space) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Oratory 19- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Paramedics 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>PS: Galactic Hunter (INT-based) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Rapid Attack (HTH)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Rapid Attack (Ranged)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Riding 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Security Systems 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Shadowing 25- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Stealth 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">12  </td><td>Survival (Arctic/Subarctic, Desert, Marine, Temperate/Subtropical, Tropical, Urban) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Systems Operation 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Tactics 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Teamwork 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Tracking 25- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Trading 19- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Two-Weapon Fighting (HTH)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Two-Weapon Fighting (Ranged)  </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>TF: Mecha, Riding Animals, Science Fiction & Space Vehicles </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">23  </td><td>WF: Common Martial Arts Melee Weapons, Common Melee Weapons, Common Missile Weapons, Blowguns, Boomerangs and Throwing Clubs, Early Thrown Grenades, Flails, Garrote, Homemade Weapons, Lances, Nets, Off Hand, Sling, Small Arms, Staffs, Thrown Chain & Rope Weapons, Thrown Sword, Vehicle Weapons, Whips </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">6  </td><td>Weaponsmith (Biological Weapons, Energy Weapons, Firearms, Muscle-Powered HTH, Muscle-Powered Ranged) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">32  </td><td>+4 with All Combat </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>+2 Overall </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Linguist </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>1) Language: Galactic Common (Imitate dialects) (5 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>2) Language: Hzeel (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>3) Language: Mandaarian (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>4) Language: Mon'Dabi (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>5) Language: Perseid (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>6) Language: Malvan (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>7) Language: Se'ecran (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>8) Language: Thorgonsic (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>9) Language: Varanyi (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>10) Language: Vlarian (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>11) Language: Xenovoric (Completely Fluent, w/Accent) (3 Active Points) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Scholar </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>1) KS: Alien Races (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>2) KS: Dangerous Beasts (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>3) KS: Fighting techniques of ten thousand worlds (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">1  </td><td>4) KS: Galactic Empires (2 Active Points) 11- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>5) KS: Lifeforms (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>6) KS: The Galactic Powers (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Traveler </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>1) AK: The Local Group of Galaxies (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>2) AK: The Milky Way Galaxy (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>3) AK: The Andromeda Galaxy (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>4) AK: The Known Universe of CU (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 14- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 302

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Perk</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">60  </td><td>Follower: Numerous robotic servants aboard ship and at base locals (x16, 200 Base, 150 Disad) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Money: Filthy Rich </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">30  </td><td>Vehicles & Bases (Hideouts in Many Space Locations) (x4, 100 Base, 100 Disad) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">200  </td><td>Vehicles & Bases: Starship-Grand Safari (1000 Base, 150 Disad) </td></tr></table>Perks Cost: 305

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Talent</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Absolute Range Sense </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Absolute Time Sense </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9  </td><td>Ambidexterity (Eliminate Off Hand Penalty entirely) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Bump Of Direction </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">37  </td><td>Danger Sense (Area: General Area, Function as a Sense, Sensitivity: Any Danger) 14- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Environmental Movement (no penalties on/in Zero G Combat) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Environmental Movement (no penalties on/in Underwater Combat) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Lightsleep </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">24  </td><td>Universal Translator 18- </td></tr></table>Talents Cost: 88

Total Character Cost: 2004

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">25  </td><td>Distinctive Features: Awesome Presence Not Concealable, Extreme Reaction, Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Distinctive Features: 10' Tall Golden Humanoid Not Concealable, Noticed and Recognizable, Detectable By Commonly-Used Senses </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Hunted: Cosmic Forces beyond Human Understanding 8- (Occasionally), More Powerful, Watching, Extensive Non-Combat Influence </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Hunted: The Other Elders of The Universe 11- (Frequently), As Powerful, Watching </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Driven to Hunt Most Challenging Game Common, Total </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Arrogance toward lesser beings. Very Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">10  </td><td>Reputation: Uncontrollable Cosmic Force Sometimes (8-), Extreme </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 105

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 1699
Total Experience Available: 1699
Experience Unspent: 0

Keneton

Aug 20th, '03, 12:54 PM

Nimrod should be able to beat Dr. Destroyer within a turn, but the fight is not completely lopsided. If Doc D were prepared he should be able to deal with Nimrod. Nimrod was defeated by a 120 ER character of extreme efficiency. Keneton would not last until the 6th.

Foes like Firewing may not make it past the 3rd of the 1st turn. For an everage group of Cosmic heroes, he should still be challenging due to his great flexibility and good CV.

Enjoy!:D

assault

Aug 20th, '03, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Keneton
Foes like Firewing may not make it past the 3rd of the 1st turn. For an everage group of Cosmic heroes, he should still be challenging due to his great flexibility and good CV.

Enjoy!:D

Yes, but who is he? You omitted any descriptive text.

If I was feeling snide, I might be tempted to suggest that he was just a characterless big pile of points, and that that was typical of characters that go beyond a certain power level.

Hmm. I haven't had enough caffeine this morning.

Alan

lemming

Aug 20th, '03, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by assault
If I was feeling snide, I might be tempted to suggest that he was just a characterless big pile of points, and that that was typical of characters that go beyond a certain power level.

Hmm. I haven't had enough caffeine this morning.
Drink your coffee. There are people in India sleeping.

Quite a lot of martial arts there.

The Galactic Champions we were doing was just one GM, but we've done multi-GM stuff in the past.
One thing we found was that some players play more efficiently than others, so ER would have to modified to take some of that in account. Other players we could trust with VPPs, some no way. It just worked out to eyeball characters and adjust when nessasary.

Though the ER looks to be very handy for players & GMs who don't have that much experience.

Keneton

Aug 20th, '03, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by assault
Yes, but who is he? You omitted any descriptive text.

If I was feeling snide, I might be tempted to suggest that he was just a characterless big pile of points, and that that was typical of characters that go beyond a certain power level.

Hmm. I haven't had enough caffeine this morning.

Alan

The attachment file with the rest of his info would take up too much space on the boards so I used a smaller format.

As for the big pile of points, he is a lot of points but quite a sophisticated character design. Understand he was written to challnge severl chracters with over 1000 earned EP. He is a galctic elder in the line of the runner, the champion, the contemplator, etc from silver surfer comics.

megaplayboy

Aug 20th, '03, 08:35 PM

Well, it looks like the majority of voters on this poll are leaning toward the higher end of the scale for Active Points.

the first poll indicated a split on total points--about half thought the guidelines in FREd were sufficient, and the other half thought the GC guidelines should skew higher.

So most likely the favored range would be:

low, 80 or 100 AP, 450 or 600 total points
mid, 120+ AP, 600 or 700+ points
high, 150+ AP or no limit, 1000+ points

I skew it that way because I think the people the most likely to run and play in a high end game are those who voted for the higher limits. I could be wrong, of course;)

One thought: Since GC is essentially set at the 'end' of the Hero Universe timeline, and brings in so many disparate elements--magic, aliens, high technology, superbeings, etc.--shouldn't it be a showcase for what you can do at the high end in the Hero System? After all, if a system really breaks down at the upper levels when simulating incredibly powerful characters from comics, film and fiction, then it's not really a universal system. I've never seen an "epic level handbook" for a superhero game, so that would be pretty cool.:)