Who's dead in the Marvel/DC universe?

[Guardian]

Our current campaign storyline involves a baddie re-animating old corpses. Our campaign is set in an amalgam of the DC and Marvel universes. He has now stepped up the attacks by managing to revive and control an unspecified alien Green Lantern, Captain America's old sidekick Bucky, and Jason Todd (Robin #2 of 3).

So can any of you comic book fans with eidetic memory come up with other heroes who are truly dead and gone, and haven't been brought back by the comic publishers? I'm interested in just those from the last century, not really from the distant past or far future (like the Legion of Superheroes). Others I could think of include the original Supergirl (Kara/Linda Danvers) and the original Flash (Barry Allen).

Thanks for your input.

[MrWolf]

Aquagirl (Tulla, Aqualad's girlfriend) got killed in the Crisis...

Terra may be dead, it's hard to say... I saw a few issues where it might have been her, it might have been a clone... I never knew what the resolution on that was.

Most of the original Doom Patrol: Negative Man, Elasti-Girl, and The Chief (Niles Caulder). (I used to be a big Titans fan, and Mento, one-time foe of the Doom Patrol married Elasti-Girl, and they adopted Gar Logan, who went on to become The Changeling.)

Cliff Steele (Robotman) lived, though.

Colossus died of the Legacy Virus, to "give the world a cure". Feh.

Um... Superman "died", but somehow I don't think that counts...

... it's hard to think of many more, although apparently Donna Troy died recently, pre the new "Outsiders" book...

[OddHat]

It's your game world, and a mix of Marvel and DC to boot. Any hero that hasn't shown up in play can be declared dead and brought back by your villain. :)

[Hugh Neilson]

How about all those villains Scourge killed back in the mid-'80's? None of them came back, I think.

Several JLE members (Ice, Crimson Fox, probably some others) were killed by the Mist in an issue of Starman, and there were quite a few deaths that took in the brief Eclipso series. Wildcat II; Hourman II is also dead; so is the original Starman's other son, who Jack Knight took over for. Quite a few original JSA characters are dead.

Check the back issue bins for Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - they had a Book of the Dead, and some of them are probably still buried.

[Agent Escafarc]

If your villian needs to have the body to re-animate than the following won't do because they didn't leave a body behind:
Flash(Barry)
Supergirl(Kara)-Unless the villain can travel into Hypertime she doesn't exist after Crisis.
Terra(original)- no body in her grave, has been suggested that the second Terra is actually the original bumped around in time.

Lilith, Kole, Jericho, Donna, Hank Hall, Atom I,Hourman I,Dr. Midnite I,Wildcat II,Peacemaker, Steel II, Amazing Man, Vibe, Tomorrow Woman,Crimson Fox I&II would all be good choices.

[lemming]

Thunderbird of the X-Men
The Human Fly (mmm, garbage)
The Ringer
Captain America II, IIRC (or was that who became Nomad? Then perhaps Bucky II?)
Green Goblin (At least around '93 he was still dead. For that matter, so was Gwen)
Captain Marvel

That's just a few that I remember off hand.

[Uncle Shecky]

Originally posted by lemming
...
Captain America II, IIRC (or was that who became Nomad?
...


It was Bucky II (Jack Monroe?) that became Nomad. I think he might have been paired with Captain America III though (though I could be wrong). I think Cap II was the former Patriot. Anyway, whichever Cap he was paired with is dead.

A lot of the old All Winners Squad and Invaders are pushing up the daisies: the original Union Jack, the Whizzer, the Patriot, probably Miss America, the Blazing Skull, Red Raven, etc.

Cap and the new Union Jack killed Baron Blood many years ago, but he could've come back.

Lots of Peter Parker's human associates (Gwen and Capt. Stacy, Jean DeWollfe, Uncle Ben, etc.).

The White Tiger (Hector Ayla?) was killed very recently in Daredevil.

Lots of members of X-Force/X-Statix have been killed, U-Go girl being the most recent. And current X-Statix member Dead-Girl is undead.

I think The Torpedo died in an issue of Rom.

Some of the New Mutants: Cypher. Maybe Karma (not sure she stayed dead).

Some dead hero/villains too: I don't think anyone ever brought back the Swordsman (former villain who became an Avenger) or the Executioner (Thor villain who sacrificed his life in Hel).

Villains:
Terrax died back in FF 269 or so, but he might have been restored too. He'd be an extremely powerful zombie!

Count Nefaria maybe?

Scourge killed a few classic (and many not so classic) villains. The Basillisk is one.

Edit: I forgot some good ones: Guardian and Sasquatch, from Alpha Flight.

[Beetle]

Both Dove I and Dove II are toast (though I refuse to believe that whole "Monolith" storyline ever happened - I want Hawk and Dove back!). Also Mockingbird of the Avengers. The original Baron Zemo has been pushing up daisies since the 1960s.

Technically the four members of the Elementals died before being sent back with powers. The Haunting (aka Ghost Girl) was also dead. [oops. Sorry, not DC or Marvel Universe]

[Guardian]

Thanks everybody for these excellent answers. I'll have to do some internet research to find out exactly who some of these guys are (I don't recognize many of the names), but I now have a great starting point.

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by Guardian
Thanks everybody for these excellent answers. I'll have to do some internet research to find out exactly who some of these guys are (I don't recognize many of the names), but I now have a great starting point.

Here's a good one for DC:
http://www.dcuguide.com/Who_Home.htm

And one for The Titans they have the largest number of deseased members:
http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=titanstogether&id=5&go

[Blue]

I have Handbook of the Marvel Universe at home, including the Book of the Dead parts 1 & 2. If I remember I'll post a quick list of the prominent ones when I get home (in a couple hours).

[Crimson Arrow]

Dove II (Dawn Grainger) is alive. This was only revealed very recently in JSA. That's the problem with superheroes, even years later, they can pop out of the woodwork.


I'll believe Donna Troy's really dead in, oh, about ten years.
;)

There are lots of good choices listed here already.

For some details on Scourge's crusade, try http://victoria.tc.ca/Recreation/Comics/SFiles.html

By and large his victims were second stringers.

Apart from the Teen Titans, the second division team the Global Guardians might have the highest fatality rate in the DC universe.

http://dcworld.itgo.com/GlobalHistory.html

Just remembered, Impala of the Global Guardians was revealed as having been killed in an issue of JSA (his picture was hanging on a wall showing heroes who had been slain in combats held for the entertainment of supervillains).

[ch0wyunf47]

In an early issue of the Avengers volume 3 (the busiek stuff... aka, the totally-awesome stuff) there's a giant screen of past avengers... there's a bunch of dead ones in there

some of whom in fact come back to life when the grim reaper resurrects them and controls them... the swordsman, the almost-thor (i forget his name), and i think 5 others in that issue.

you can also kill off anyone you particularly dislike and then bring them back
:D

[Armitage]

Originally posted by Uncle Shecky
A lot of the old All Winners Squad and Invaders are pushing up the daisies: the original Union Jack, the Whizzer, the Patriot, probably Miss America, the Blazing Skull, Red Raven, etc.

Cap and the new Union Jack killed Baron Blood many years ago, but he could've come back.

Some of the New Mutants: Cypher. Maybe Karma (not sure she stayed dead).

Villains:
Terrax died back in FF 269 or so, but he might have been restored too. He'd be an extremely powerful zombie!

Count Nefaria maybe?

Edit: I forgot some good ones: Guardian and Sasquatch, from Alpha Flight.


Miss America died during childbirth on Wundagore Mountain. Bova tried to pass-off the infant Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch as her children to Whizzer.

Baron Blood was recreated by the Bane in the Marvel UK Knights of Pendragon title, and he's drifted here and there since then.

Karma was believed dead in the single digits of the original New Mutants comic, but she later turned up alive and possessed by the Shadow King (before he was called that).

Terrax came back in New Warriors Vol. 1, #1. A scientist was analyzing the residue of his energies left where he disintigrated and accidently concentrated them enough for him to create a new body from rock and soil.

Count Nefaria revived as a side effect of the ionic energy he absorbed from Power Man waaay-back-when. He blew up fighting the Avengers and Thunderbolts, but ionic beings do that a lot. They always come back.

Guardian came back, three...four times? He's currently alive and leading Alpha Flight again. Sasquatch also came back, unless you mean the Sasquatch who wasn't Walter Langkowski who died in the most recent Alpha Flight series.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by lemming
The Ringer
Green Goblin (At least around '93 he was still dead. For that matter, so was Gwen)


The Ringer was brought back as a cyborg in Lethal Foes of Spider-Man. It's kind of funny. Mark Gruenwald predicted (half-joking) that Turner D. Century would be the first Scourge victim revived.

Green Goblin II and III are still dead. Norman's back.

[Scott Heine]

Well, for all I know, Marvel has resurrected him, but...

Captain Marvel died of cancer in a Graphic Novel. He would be one scary dude to have resurrected for the heroes to face.

Best... superhero... death... ever... :D

[McCoy]

In the Marvel universe, I don't think anybody has stayed dead except Bucky Barnes and Ben Parker.

In the DC Universe, you always have the entire population of the planet Krypton. Of course, in the Silver Age new survivors were being discovered every month. Almost expected the newspapers in Argo City the day after to have the headline "PLANET EXPLODES; No One Injured."

[ChaosDrgn]

The original Capt. Marvel is still dead, so is Bucky. Karma (X'ain Coy Manh) is still alive, she's currently featured in the current New Mutants issue.

Physically Donna Troy is dead, the way they ended it though is she could be brought back if anyone had the guts to write her properly (NOT wanting to start that debate, already dead on Animoations). To my knowlege both Barron Blood's are dead. The original as well as Spitfire's son who became BB in the Union Jack mini-series. Barry Allen (Flash) is still dead as a doornail, so is the Rita Farr of the Doom Patrol. Johnny Quick (Jesse's Quick's (Titans & JSA) father is still dead, or at least joined the speed force. Jason Todd (Robin) is still dead, even though his body is missing from the grave (I'm not going to spoil who was in Batman unless asked). Zatara (Zattana's father) is still in the grave.

I also belive Steel (J.H. Irons) also died recently in Superman. OH, and depending on how you do it the original Hourman is also dead as well, though technicaly he's in a "pocket dimension" until his son uses up a certain amount of time.

[JmOz]

Where was the hourman story about that?

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by JmOz
Where was the hourman story about that? Recent issues of JSA.

[lemming]

Originally posted by Armitage
The Ringer was brought back as a cyborg in Lethal Foes of Spider-Man.
Does he still have the fear of getting his dental work messed up?

[assault]

Originally posted by Uncle Shecky
It was Bucky II (Jack Monroe?) that became Nomad. I think he might have been paired with Captain America III though (though I could be wrong). I think Cap II was the former Patriot. Anyway, whichever Cap he was paired with is dead.


Jack Monroe (Nomad) was Bucky to the 4th Cap - the 50's one who went mad, because his stories were a little embarrassing to Marvel... This would have made him the third Bucky - the real one died at the same time that the real Cap got frozen, and there was another that hung around with the two fake Caps (aka, the Spirit of 76 and the Patriot).

Anyway, if you want to revive powerful deaders, just start with Supergirl... Anyone else is redundant, really.

Alan

[Blue]

The Handbook of the Marvel Universe, being from 1984, is woefully out of date. Nonetheless here's the more interesting ones from the two issues.

--------------

The Ancient One - Died in Marvel Premier #10. Former Sorcerer Supreme before Dr. Strange.

Baron Zemo - Died in Avengers #15. WWII Villain.

Nighthawk - Died in Defenders #106. Member of the Defenders.

Miss America - Died in Giant Sized Avengers #1. Member of the Invaders & Liberty Legion.

Black Knight (I) - Died in Marvel Superheroes #17.

Satana - Died in Marvel Teamup #81. Daughter of Satan.

Thunderbird - Died in Xmen #95. Former X-man.

Toro - Died in Submariner #14. One of the two original "human torch" from the old Invaders series.

[JmOz]

Toro is alive,

He made a number of appearences in the 90's

[Space Cadet]

Let's see... there's Egghead (bought the farm when he tried to
kill Hank Pym with a blaster that backfired when Hawkeye put
an arrow into the barrel as said blaster was being fired), Nova
(the Frankie Raye Nova; was killed at some point in time during
the run of the Silver Surfer's own book, from what I understand), and Tarantula I (died, IIRC, after being mutated
into a giant spider-like creature and jumped off a building into
the gunfire of police officers).

There's probably a few other members of the Daisy-Pushing Club
yet to be listed, but right now I can't think of them.

Space Cadet :cool:

[Blue]

Originally posted by JmOz
Toro is alive,

He made a number of appearences in the 90's

I stand corrected. I haven't bought a comic in about 13 years.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by Blue

Nighthawk - Died in Defenders #106. Member of the Defenders.


A limited series a couple years ago revealed that the "fatal explosion" only left him in a coma, from which he has recovered. He was in the most recent Defenders series.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by JmOz
Toro is alive,

He made a number of appearences in the 90's

You may be thinking of the original android Human Torch, who came back from the dead and joined the West Coast Avengers.
But there was a mystery around Toro's death and there was a homeless man with flame powers in Power Pack at the same time that it was revealed that Katie Power's elementary school teacher was Toro's widow. But nothing ever came of it and at some point after the book's cancellation it was denied that he was Toro. Just backpedalling in my opinion.

[ChaosDrgn]

AFAIK Toro is dead, then again I'd have to go back and look at Power Pack. Marvel seemed to backpedal a lot when it came to PP and a few other series. The Human Torch came back in Avengers West Coast #50, "lost" his powers in Namor #12 and was a secondary character in the Hero for Hire series (where his powers seemed to fade in and out from 12 on).

Also dead are a number of Hellion's from New Mutants/X-Men. Max Mercurary(sp) died in Impulse. I would say Hal Jordan but he's running around as The Spectre. There are also a number of Golden Ager's who are officially dead (Sandman and Mr. Terrific come to mind).

As for the current Hourman look in JSA 31+. I know they really start using him in the Stealing Thunder storyline (coming out as a Tpb Weds).

[tmutant]

Don't forget Boston Brand, a.k.a. Deadman. How inconvenient would it be for him if his corpse were resurrected?:D

[Hugh Neilson]

Originally posted by tmutant
Don't forget Boston Brand, a.k.a. Deadman. How inconvenient would it be for him if his corpse were resurrected?:D

Hmmm...How many former Swamp Thing bodies are laying around the DCU. There's a scary thought...

[Nuadha]

DC deadites:

(I'll try not repeat ones already mentioned, but I apologize if I do.)

Metamorpho- Although he was officially brought back recently, he was dead for a long time in the comics, since Grant Morrison's JLA #1

Element Lass- (I believe that was her name....) The female version of Metamorpho, she commited suicide in an issue of Neil Gaiman's The Sandman.

Lex Luthor I- How feaky would this be? Lex Luthor currently occupies a cloned body. His original body died of Kyptonite poisoning, but they saved his Brain. (See the grpahic novel "They Saved Luthor's Brain" for details.)

Jim Corrigan- The original (pre-Hal Jordan) Spectre.

Grim Reaper- Batman villain from Batman Year Two.

Mongul- He's dead, but I don't how he died. Could be a real bitch for your players if he came back as he can go toe-to-toe with Superman and comes out on top sometimes.

Lex Luthor's Bizarro- Before teh current Bizarro #1, Lex Luthor made several attempts at cloning the Man of Steel. They all died. See the Man of Steel miniseries for his first attempt.

Abin Sur- The alien GL that gave Hal his ring. Recently hung out in The Spectre as a ghost before going on to be reincarnated. He might be a bit cranky if he is pulled back to his old body.

Vigilante 1 and 2 (I believe)- Street-level superheroes.

Cerberus- Superman villain from early eighties with many heads.

Terraman (Post- crisis)- I can't remember how he died, but I think it was stopping some sort of nuclear disaster.

Hal Jordan- Gave his life to restart the sun. Current Spectre, but he's still dead, dead, dead. Of course, there's no body left.

The New God. I can't remember his name, but there is a New God that died on Earth during the original Kirby issues. You never got to see him as anything but a corpse.

Steel- I belive John Henry Irons died recently.

Dr. Fate- I don't believe the current Dr. Fate in JSA is the same Fate as the old one.

Ice- I was kind of pissed when I heard they killed her off. There's a new Ice Maiden in the DCU these days, but I don't think she has any connection to the eighties Ice.

Aztek- Died in Grant Morrison's JLA series.

Tomorrow Woman- Sentient android. Sarcificed herself to save the JLA, disobeying her programming, which was to kill them. Buried in a grveyard with other dead heroes in an early issue of Morrison's JLA (issue 11 I believe).

Conduit- I believe that was his name. A high school friend of Clark Kent's that gained the ability to shoot Kryptonite radiation and tried killing Clark/Superman. Real name was Kenny Braverman. Horrible story. Not worth reading, but he's dead and had a kinda cool costume.

Hippolyta/Wonder Woman- Died in Our World's at War. Diana/Wonder Woman's mother and a member of the JSA.

Villain that was executed in recent issue of Spectre- One of the last issues of recent Spectre had a villain that was killed in an electric chair. He was superstrong because of some mutation from an experimental drug and the chemical imbalance made him crazy.

Aquababy- Aquaman's baby son was killed by Black Manta (or Ocean Master, I can't remember which). Just a baby that breathes underwater, resurrecting Aquababy would only be good for psychological reasons. sick. Just sick.

Professor Zoom- The original Zoom is dead. The new one is an imposter. Flash villain.

Sinestro- Released from the OA battery to fight Hal Jordan when he was attacking OA, Sinestro was executed by crazy Hal. Recently appeared as a zombie Sinestro in The Spectre. Dead again.

The Extremist. Story was reprinted in "JLA: A New Beginning" A group of Heroes from an alternate world called the Extremists were attacking a Russian nuclear facility and something went wrong. One sacrificed himself to stop a nuclear meltdown. Can't remember his name, though.

[Peregrine]

What? Donna Troy's DEAD?

Who do I get to kill in revenge? Who wrote that atrocity?

*GRRR*

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by Nuadha
The New God. I can't remember his name, but there is a New God that died on Earth during the original Kirby issues. You never got to see him as anything but a corpse.

If it's the one I'm thinking of, I got the distinct impression that he was some type of water-god, from Orion's eulogy and the fact he was killed near the sea. Named Sea Grin for that and his lighthearted nature. (Who else but Jack Kirby could get away with those dreadful pun names?) :rolleyes:

Man, there are a lot of updates for me in reading this thread. Sure is hard to get a comic book character to stay dead. You'd think they were Toons. ;)

[Guardian]

WOW !!

I'm humbled by the vast amounts of comic book knowledge assembled at this Board. Thanks for all of the info, everybody.

- Guardian

[Nuadha]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
If it's the one I'm thinking of, I got the distinct impression that he was some type of water-god, from Orion's eulogy and the fact he was killed near the sea. Named Sea Grin for that and his lighthearted nature. (Who else but Jack Kirby could get away with those dreadful pun names?) :rolleyes:


That's the one!

While almost every New God that Kirby had die in his series was brought back by later writers (Steppenwolf, Kalibak and Desaad were all killed in Kirby's 11 issues), Seagrin was the only one that later writers didn't resurrect.

[ChaosDrgn]

Dr. Fate- I don't believe the current Dr. Fate in JSA is the same Fate as the old one.
The Extremist. Story was reprinted in "JLA: A New Beginning" A group of Heroes from an alternate world called the Extremists were attacking a Russian nuclear facility and something went wrong. One sacrificed himself to stop a nuclear meltdown. Can't remember his name, though.


Fate: He's Hector Hall, the son of the golden age Hawkman & Hawkwoman. Was also the Silver Scareb during Infinity Inc. The spirits of the previous Fate's are in his amulet.

JLA: I belive the name is Wujinda or close to it. They were take off of Marvel's Avengers and he was their "Thor."

If what your trying to do is similar as they did in Avengers 11 & 12 (vol3) I'd stick with people who are dead dead. From what I remember of the story the Grim Reaper corrupted their spirits as well as their bodies. If your going for straight Zombies then use whoever you like. The Avengers defeated them by reaching to the spirit deep inside the person, pulling it "out" and getting in touch with it.

[ChaosDrgn]

Originally posted by Peregrine

Who do I get to kill in revenge? Who wrote that atrocity?


Graduation Day #3. And the way they end it they could bring her back if they really wanted to. Personally I don't think many writers know what to do with her so they get rid of her out of hand. And yeah I know a lot of people here Byrne bash but all I can say is a: he kept her alive and b: He tried to sort the caracter out. And no, this is not an opening comment for a flame.

[Peregrine]

Originally posted by ChaosDrgn
Graduation Day #3. And the way they end it they could bring her back if they really wanted to. Personally I don't think many writers know what to do with her so they get rid of her out of hand. And yeah I know a lot of people here Byrne bash but all I can say is a: he kept her alive and b: He tried to sort the caracter out. And no, this is not an opening comment for a flame.

Damn. In case it wasn't apparent, Donna has always been one of my favorite characters. And while Byrne tried to sort her out, he made matters worse in the attempt, I think.

I'd like to see her brought back, as long as it's written well.

[ChaosDrgn]

Off from the original topic I know. I am Bryne fan, I freely admit it. I don't think he's the best writer or artist around he does have his moments.

I think what he was trying to do with Donna, at least near the end was take her back to a point that fans wanted her at. Diana's sister and with her own super-powers again. Before that she had been everything from adopted daughter of Titans to a DarkStar.

I can't say I enjoyed everything he did on Wonder Woman. I do see where he tried taking the characters though and give him the credit for at least atempting to do something with them. It's too easy to push a character in the background or kill him/her off just because the writer can't find the character's "voice" as easy as the others.

[Hugh Neilson]

Originally posted by Nuadha
That's the one!

While almost every New God that Kirby had die in his series was brought back by later writers (Steppenwolf, Kalibak and Desaad were all killed in Kirby's 11 issues), Seagrin was the only one that later writers didn't resurrect.

The reason we never got #12 is that Kirby wanted to kill Orion and the Powers That Be at DC disagreed. He'd long be back by now as well.

How many times has Darkseid been dead?

[Enforcer84]

Marvel is what I know best:

1. Mar_Vell
2. Thunderbird
3. Colossus
4. Swordsman I
5. Mockingbird
6. Unus the Untouchable
7. Shapechanger? Guy who dies masqurading as Prof X
8. Oddles of badies killed by Scourge
Titania I, Letha, Vamp, Enforcer, Bluestreak, Mirage, Firebrand I, others I cannot remember)

[starblaze]

Originally posted by ChaosDrgn
Off from the original topic I know. I am Bryne fan, I freely admit it. I don't think he's the best writer or artist around he does have his moments.

I think what he was trying to do with Donna, at least near the end was take her back to a point that fans wanted her at. Diana's sister and with her own super-powers again. Before that she had been everything from adopted daughter of Titans to a DarkStar.

I can't say I enjoyed everything he did on Wonder Woman. I do see where he tried taking the characters though and give him the credit for at least atempting to do something with them. It's too easy to push a character in the background or kill him/her off just because the writer can't find the character's "voice" as easy as the others.

The problem with John Byrne is that he can't leave things alone. He always has to reinvent or redo or retcon every character he does. Sometimes that is a good thing sometimes it isn't.
Good Example: Fantastic Four, X-men, SuperMan
Bad Example: SpiderMan Chapter One

[starblaze]

Character that were from the above mentioned Avengers issue
ThunderStrike
HellCat, has since come back and is with the Defenders
Dr. Druid
WonderMan, since returned from the dead
Mockingbird
Swordsman
Captain Marvel
The Grim Reaper had corrupted and ressurected them and had them defeat the Avengers.
The Scarlet Witch was able to use her chaos magic to rid them of the corruption and they saved their living Avengers before going to back to being dead.

[Blue]

Iron Fist died in Powerman & Ironfist... issue 75 I think (Last issue anyway). I'm going to guess that he's since been brought back or that someone else has his powers now.

[ChaosDrgn]

Originally posted by Blue
Iron Fist died in Powerman & Ironfist... issue 75 I think (Last issue anyway). I'm going to guess that he's since been brought back or that someone else has his powers now.

Brought back in Namor (around 16-17) and was a regular in Hero for Hire.

And the Changeling subb'd for Prof. X and was killed. They've kinda re-incarnated him as Morph though in Exiles and Age of Apocolypse.

[keithcurtis]

Originally posted by ChaosDrgn
JLA: I belive the name is Wujinda or close to it. They were take off of Marvel's Avengers and he was their "Thor."

"Wandjina"

Other possibilities:

Wildcat II (Yolanda Montoya? Montez?)

Dr. Midnite II

Adam Warlock

Hawk (Extant)

Knockout (the Good one from Hypertime)

Blockbuster

That's off the top of my head. Most of these have robably come back in some form or another.

Keith "But--but I SAW them DIE!!!" Curtis

[Hugh Neilson]

Originally posted by Enforcer84
7. Shapechanger? Guy who dies masqurading as Prof X


Changeling

In alternate universes, AKA Morph, but Changeling was a far more serious character (both in tone and personality, and in use of his powers).

[Hugh Neilson]

You realize, of course, that whatever group you select, one of them will be revealed to not have been dead after all in a comic that comes out while you're running the scenario. A comic one of your players reads religiously, of course!

[death tribble]

There is still oodles of dead to add to this list.

Like all the original members of Zodiac in the Avengers.

Scourge (two different versions) in Captain America.

Angar the screamer was killed by the police so Screaming Mimi joined Thunderbirds.

I thought that in Thunderbirds as well that Baron Zemo 2 was dead.

Loki. Killed by Thor in Thor 475.

Johnny Quick is dead I believe from a Flash issue.

The Eel was killed by Viper.

Kangeroo is dead (Spiderman).

The original Hobgoblin (if it was Ned Leeds)

The original Vigilante is indeed dead but there was a cowboy one as well.

Psylocke of the X-Men is dead (and that's one I am not happy about)

[lemming]

Originally posted by death tribble
The original Vigilante is indeed dead but there was a cowboy one as well.
Peacemaker died in an issue of Vigilante. Only guy I know who stored Plastique in his helmet.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by death tribble
There is still oodles of dead to add to this list.

I thought that in Thunderbirds as well that Baron Zemo 2 was dead.

Loki. Killed by Thor in Thor 475.

Kangeroo is dead (Spiderman).

The original Hobgoblin (if it was Ned Leeds)

Thunderbolts.
Techno saved Zemo's mind electronically, much like he did to himself. It was then transferred into various bodies, ending up in the unscarred body of Zemo's Counter-Earth duplicate.

Thor 475 dealt with the High Evolutionary and the Godpack. You may be thinking of 432, when Thor destroyed Loki and Odin "dispersed" him as punishment, leading Erik Masterson to become Thor. Loki's body was destroyed and his spirit was imprisoned in Mephisto's realm, but he got better.

Kangaroo appeared (without explanation) as an inmate in a secret super-prison in a Wolverine story. He also appeared in Spider-Man's Tangled Web 16-17, set in the same prison. The Spot did die at the end of the stoty however.

Leeds wasn't the Hobgoblin. The Hobgoblin Lives limited series revealed that he was a brainwashed pawn of the real Hobgoblin, like Lefty Donovan when he was used to test the refined Goblin formula. The second Hobgoblin, Jason Macendale, formerly Jack-O-Lantern, is dead though. The original Hobgoblin blasted him to ashes in his prison cell.

[MrWolf]

Hah... and actually the cowboy Vigilante *was* the original, not Adrian Chase.

He was a member of the Seven Soldiers of Victory, along with Shining Knight and others.

But if he isn't dead he should be, since he was a hero in the 1940s...

/obscure All-Star Squadron reference.

[ChaosDrgn]

Originally posted by MrWolf
He was a member of the Seven Soldiers of Victory, along with Shining Knight and others.

But if he isn't dead he should be, since he was a hero in the 1940s...

Not really because him and the other 7 Soldiers became time-lost, being rescused by the combined JlA and JSA, one of the few hold overs of Pre-Crisis storytelling.

History of the DC Universe
The war was over and with it began the decline of the latest Heroic Age. The Law's Legionnaires (aka 7 Soldiers from the pic) formed before the war, came to an end when one of their teammates, Wing, sacrificed his life to defeat the entity known as the Nebula Man. The other heroes were dispersed throughout time, only to be rescused many years later by the combined forces of the Justice Society of American and one of the later-formed Justice Leagues.

[ChaosDrgn]

Attach picture of the Seven Soldiers of Victory

[Hugh Neilson]

Originally posted by ChaosDrgn
Not really because him and the other 7 Soldiers became time-lost, being rescused by the combined JlA and JSA, one of the few hold overs of Pre-Crisis storytelling.

Still got retconned. Wing became a retroactive Soldier, and they added Alias the Spider (since they couldn't use Green Arrow and Speedy). This came out in the Shade miniseries, if I recall correctly.

[ChaosDrgn]

Amazing how the Shining Knight and Pat Dugan (Strpisey) remember being time lost in Stars & S.T.R.I.P.E.S.

[death tribble]

I have the complete run of Vigilante and am sure that Peacemaker survived the series. He did guest and kill one of the the three Vigilantes who died during the run. The original was Chase and he was the last one to die. Suicide.

The (DC) Suicide Squad killed quite a few. The Thinker was killed by the Weasel who was killed by the person wearing the Thinker's helm. Multiplex was killed by the Parasite. Mindblower was killed by DCs verson of Jihad. I think Psi was the name of another casualty. Partly as a rejig on characters following the Crisis.

The original Killer Frost, Crystal Frost, died fighting Firestorm.
The Monitor and Anti-Monitor died during the Crisis.

In the Marvel Universe, Modok is dead. The Melter was killed by Scourge and was perhaps the biggest name to fall to him.
Death Adder was the other. The Executioner was another victim and it was claimed that the Scourge Captain America met was related to the Executioner (note: not the Asgardian god but a gunman in a blue and white suit). The Fly was another victim.

Mind you it is hard to tell with Darkseid's servants as he can blast them to bits and then recreate them.

[lemming]

Originally posted by death tribble
I have the complete run of Vigilante and am sure that Peacemaker survived the series. He did guest and kill one of the the three Vigilantes who died during the run. The original was Chase and he was the last one to die. Suicide.
Whoops. I guess I had it turned around. I've got the complete run as well, but haven't flipped through it in ages.

[Acroyear II]

Originally posted by Enforcer84
Marvel is what I know best:

1. Mar_Vell
2. Thunderbird
3. Colossus
4. Swordsman I
5. Mockingbird
6. Unus the Untouchable
7. Shapechanger? Guy who dies masqurading as Prof X
8. Oddles of badies killed by Scourge
Titania I, Letha, Vamp, Enforcer, Bluestreak, Mirage, Firebrand I, others I cannot remember)

The Vamp was revealed to be alive in an issue of Deadpool. There was one other villain who escaped the massacre in the Bar with No Name, but I cannot remember who it was.

Acroyear II

[Acroyear II]

Originally posted by Blue
Iron Fist died in Powerman & Ironfist... issue 75 I think (Last issue anyway). I'm going to guess that he's since been brought back or that someone else has his powers now.

It was revealed that the Iron First killed in issue #75 was a clone (don't you hate when that happens?). The real one was trapped in (or visiting) some mystical city.

Acroyear II

[Armitage]

Originally posted by Acroyear II
It was revealed that the Iron First killed in issue #75 was a clone (don't you hate when that happens?). The real one was trapped in (or visiting) some mystical city.

Acroyear II

Actually he was one of the evil plant men who periodically threatened K'un-L'un (the mystic city) transformed into a duplicate of Iron Fist. And the terminally ill super-human child who killed him was actually the Super-Skrull, magically brainwashed by Iron Fist's enemy, the wizard Master Khan.

[SuperPheemy]

Isn't Kraven the Hunter dead? Or did he get better already?

[Colossus]

Some of these are listed prior- but these are some of the most interesting for me in the Prime Realities of Marvel X-Men

Colossus (alive in the Ultimate universe - should be back any month now in regular)

his sister Magik (a current Exile, but that does not count)

Cyper (who is not Douglocke) - I have no idea how you would use him, but hey -he is going to stay dead.

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by SuperPheemy
Isn't Kraven the Hunter dead? Or did he get better already?

I thought I heard that his son has taken up his mantle. Anyone correct me on that? :confused:

[Twilight]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
I thought I heard that his son has taken up his mantle. Anyone correct me on that? :confused:

Two of his sons followed in his footsteps. One of them became Grimhunter and was killed by Kaine in that god awful Spider Clone era. The other one, Aloshya I belive his name is, basically became a mirror image of his dear old dad.

[Agent Escafarc]

Peacemaker was killied in the Eclipso mini-series where Wildcat II, Steel (tecnicaly he was number II though they have him listed as number I), Manhunter(turned out it was Dumas), and the Creeper(he has since gotten better though they haven't explained how) also died.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by Twilight
Two of his sons followed in his footsteps. One of them became Grimhunter and was killed by Kaine in that god awful Spider Clone era. The other one, Aloshya I belive his name is, basically became a mirror image of his dear old dad.

Except that he's a part-time hero instead of a villain. He has accepted that his father was insane and sees no reason to follow in his footsteps. He knows Spider-Man's secret identity and the two of them have actually become friends.
Plus his mother was a mutant and he has powers too. Essentially another wannabe-Wolverine, superhuman senses and accelerated healing, but the characterization definitely saves him from being just a Wolverine clone though.

[Siberian Tiger]

A listing of all those killed in DC Comics' Suicide Squad series can be found at Bodycount - the unofficial Suicide Squad website (http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/public_html/Bodycount/bodycount.html)

[death tribble]

Other Marvel dead include

Zuras of the Eternals;
The Whizzer;
The Torpedo (by Dire Wraiths);
The Wraith (by Scourge);
The Sin Eater
Thunderbolt Ross (for the Hul fans)
Major Talbot (ditto)

EDIT: Silly me forgot the Porcupine.

And Viper 1 was killed by the Viper. But the Eel is also dead.

[Hugh Neilson]

Elasti-Girl of the Doom Patrol stayed dead. That's a zombie with some power.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by death tribble
Other Marvel dead include

Zuras of the Eternals;
Thunderbolt Ross (for the Hul fans)


Zuras came back in an Eternals 1-shot that had him reclaim the throne of Olympia and renew the Eternal isolationism. Icaris rebelled and left with several other Eternals who accidently ended up establishing themselves as a hero team on the West Coast. Nothing else has been done with it though.

General Ross was revived by the combination of the Leader's resurrection machine (the one that was used to revive Marlo) and "Soul Man", one of the Gamma Town mutates. He was active in Hulk before the current "on the road" stories began. Betty Ross is probably still dead though. After the Abomination poisoned her, General Ross put her corpse in a cryo-preservation chamber. That's where she was last seen.

[Twilight]

Originally posted by Hugh Neilson
Elasti-Girl of the Doom Patrol stayed dead. That's a zombie with some power.

I belive Doom Patrol villains General Zahl and Madame Rouge also remained deceased.

[CrosshairCollie]

You should just make a team of undead Marvel mutants. You can call them ...

The Uncanny X-Humed!

(Hopes the joke hasn't been done yet ...)

[Hugh Neilson]

Originally posted by CrosshairCollie
You should just make a team of undead Marvel mutants. You can call them ...

The Uncanny X-Humed!

(Hopes the joke hasn't been done yet ...)

The X-Humed line has been done somewhere before...can't remember where, though.

[Armitage]

Originally posted by Hugh Neilson
The X-Humed line has been done somewhere before...can't remember where, though.

Sensational She-Hulk #34-35. Black Talon attacked her with a team of zombie mutants, Changeling, Black Bishop (Hellfire Club), the Living Diamond/Jack O'Diamonds, and Scaleface (Morlocks).

[Hugh Neilson]

Originally posted by Armitage
Sensational She-Hulk #34-35. Black Talon attacked her with a team of zombie mutants, Changeling, Black Bishop (Hellfire Club), the Living Diamond/Jack O'Diamonds, and Scaleface (Morlocks).

Thank you. Now I'll be able to sleep! :)

[death tribble]

The Spymaster also stayed dead. He was an Iron Man villain and was killed by the Ghost. They were both phasing through a wall but the Ghost was quicker and got the tech off Spymaster before he finished phasing through.

[Amnesia]

One Marvel superhero most have over looked (except death tribble) is Psylocke.

Psylocke makes an excellent pawn for any bad guy to bring back from the dead, just have your bad guy use her in the same way the Hand used her for the Mandirin as a telephathic assassin.

[Jhamin]

Obidiah Stane from Iron Man has stayed Dead, although his Iron Monger armor has turned up from time to time.

Do we count one-off villians? How many appearences do they need before they count? Otherwise, Stratosfire from one of the Old IM annuals has also stayed dead.