DH #13: The Millenium City 8

[OddHat]

Just a general congatulations to the contest winners; great characters, at least two of whom I'm sure will make their way into my campaigns in the near future.

[Hermit]

I'm liking this 'Ego boost' stuff. ;)

[Talon]

As the one who had to wait the freakin' longest for it...yeah, it's nice. :)

[Killer Shrike]

Thanx for the kind words :)

[Crimson Arrow]

Yes, thank you.

Hard to believe the first round was November last year!

[Hermit]

While we're waiting for the official Bolo review on the other thread ;) I thought I'd post a few of my thoughts on the other entries for the contest. Things I noticed about them. Really, this is only barely touching the surface. I've also thinking about inter groupmember relations, etc.

In a nut shell, they're fantastic... but to elaborate:

Lady Liberty: I'm a sucker for legacy heroes, and in Lady Liberty has not one heritage to honor but two. She maybe the most original character in the bunch (tie with Raaktor for that). The Patriot and Mystic Archetypes do not strike me as natural blends, but somehow Geoff does it smoothly and seemingly effortlessly. Any GM hoping to bring in official mystic organizations of the Champions Universe will find Lady Liberty well suited to the task.

Psiphon: For those liking reformed "villains" turned hero, Glen brings us Psiphon, a guy who started out on the wrong side and knows it.I like Psiphon as much for his strong personality (Which shines through in this) even more than for his powers (Which are well done, with an interesting twist on the "standard" mentalist). I really feel for this character.

El Aguijon: I've already mentioned on another thread that while I have no certain favorite, if I were going to pick one of these guys to play in a TT game, I'd probably grab "The Sting" up in a heartbeat. This character seems a homage to insect style heroes that have come before, with his scientific genius, his upbeat patter, and personal life troubles. One thing I like about Alejandro is that it is very easy to visualize his supporting cast of friends, loved ones, and even rival. Side Note: I plan to make a connection between Marisa Montez, and Daniel Collins (the now retired "Microman").

Raaktor: I confess, when I first saw the picture of this character for the "Name the Hero" contest, I balked. It just seemed too obvious a Wolverine-wannabe. Jonathan, however, took that picture and went in directions that I would never have thought of. Frankly, I'm not sure I've even seen anything like this even in the comic books... if there is, it's surely NOT overdone. The powers and abilities are versitile and formidible without being overwhelming. This is a great 'concept' character. Heck, the guy even brings one of his own hunted with him; Red Elk seems a nasty piece of work.

Megaera: Not content with two victories under his belt already, the ever dogged Mr Marshall crushes the opposition (You can get off of us now John, it's over ;) ) with another great character. This one having elements reminescent of Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel, but with her own take and cut on such things. I think a GM could form an entire adventure around Megaera and her sisters. While based on Greek Mythology with a modern twist, Megaera's foes and interests do go beyond that. This is a great example of why "Flying Bricks", when done right, never go out of style.

Commando Rubberbando!: I'm sorry, the exclaimation point has to be put there. Ed gets his chance to shine as he brings us a character cursed unfairly with an overly exhuberant name :) This alone endears him to me, because one of the "unwritten rules" among PC heroes in my own campaigns is "Never, ever, let the press name you first..." . How could I not like a character who is a victim to that law? The personality seems pretty original for his power set (What, a NON goofy /non science stretcher?). One little touch I heartily approve of: The guy protects Dearborn! While I love Millennium City, it's great to see a super hero in the general area who proudly guards towns around it.

[Crimson Arrow]

I thought I'd follow Hermit's example and post some thoughts too. I have to reiterate how much I liked all of them.

Lady Liberty: I thoroughly agree that she’s a very original character and an unusual mix of archetypes, which works well. It’s nice to see a character who tends to fulfil a background role, for a change. She has enough about her (especially that high SPD) to hold her own in a fight. I really like the symbolism of her three enchanted items (although maybe I’m reading too much into this). The badge representing the authority of the law, the handcuffs, the right to deprive criminals of their liberty, and the gun as the ultimate symbol of the use of force to preserve order. A little like the ancient Roman “fasces “ symbolising the right to inflict corporal and capital punishment. The versatility of a VPP and the aura cloaking her from magical detection round things out very well.

Psiphon: I always like to see criminals reforming and becoming superheroes, so Psiphon’s background appealed to me hugely. His reasons for doing so made sense and showed a lot of character. Plenty of plot hooks stemming from his background, of course. The powers have indeed got an elegance to them (someone, I think one of the judges, said something like that on the old boards). I also liked the way he is designed to be tough for other mentalists to defeat, rather essential, given his history.

Stalker: Stalker appealed to me for a number of reasons. In some respects, he reminded me of my own entry for that round, including the gas powered launchers in the wristbands and the “taking over from a relative thing�. A very nice range of powers and I liked the idea that he compensates for his age by using gadgets. He also has a couple of unusual powers which could take someone by surprise. Stalker is obviously going to be the investigator of the team, but with some serious inventing muscle (especially when you factor in his overall levels). I liked the idea of The Choir as a villain group. Did you have any names for the rest of them?

Steadfast, the Human Bulwark: I always like a character with a ready-made nickname. I think he had the most exciting background story and a religious hero makes an interesting change and should be intriguing to play. As previously mentioned, he is not on an ideal team bearing in mind his faith, but as with many things, he looks as though he can withstand that. I like the idea of a “Blob�-like immoveable character. Steadfast's a little better looking than Fred Dukes, though. The powers have some nice ideas for putting the concept into play. Maybe Edmund and Alejandro can annoy Lady Liberty and Stalker by duetting!

Commando Rubberbando!: I agree that he needs an exclamation point. I loved this name when it first got mentioned all those months ago, so it was great to see it win. I think this one had a very plausible and detailed history. Related to this, he seems to have a complex, yet understandable personality. I agree it’s nice to have a relatively serious stretching character, for a change. I liked the way his skills reflect his lengthy military service; he’d complement a team well. I also thought it was nice to see a stretchy character who did not rely too heavily on his powers.

[Hermit]

Going to go narcistic for a moment and focus on my own submissions (using Arrow's questions as an excuse ;) )

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
Stalker: Stalker appealed to me for a number of reasons. In some respects, he reminded me of my own entry for that round, including the gas powered launchers in the wristbands and the “taking over from a relative thing�. A very nice range of powers and I liked the idea that he compensates for his age by using gadgets. He also has a couple of unusual powers which could take someone by surprise. Stalker is obviously going to be the investigator of the team, but with some serious inventing muscle (especially when you factor in his overall levels). I liked the idea of The Choir as a villain group. Did you have any names for the rest of them?


Great minds and all that ;) Stalker was my attempt to take an old classic legacy situation, and turn it on it's ear. He was originally designed to be something of a loner, but Ben and Darren have intregrated hm smoothly into the MC 8 much to my delight.
For GMs, I wanted him to be useful on many levels. I therefore thought of a villain team he could directly or indirectly introduce to someone's Players, and also made it so he might one day step down should someone want to use him as an excuse for Stalker III.
Funny you should ask about The Choir, you see, I had considered writing them up in full and seeing if Digitial Hero would want them. They are not fully formed even in my head, but some of the names I'd been playing with included:
Bridge
Caterwaul
Dirge
Duet
Songbird
Soprano


Steadfast, the Human Bulwark: I always like a character with a ready-made nickname. I think he had the most exciting background story and a religious hero makes an interesting change and should be intriguing to play. As previously mentioned, he is not on an ideal team bearing in mind his faith, but as with many things, he looks as though he can withstand that. I like the idea of a “Blob�-like immoveable character. Steadfast's a little better looking than Fred Dukes, though. The powers have some nice ideas for putting the concept into play. Maybe Edmund and Alejandro can annoy Lady Liberty and Stalker by duetting!


Well, you'll notice Steadfast has a few things left up to the GM. That's because I wanted him somewhat open ended to tailor to folks games. His powers could be divinely granted, merely mutant potiential unleashed by the life threatening origin, or he maybe being used by someone for some (sinister?) purpose.

The funny thing about Steadfast is he was originally made to be a team player, just not the MC 8. It had to be edited out to make the MC8 his team, but originally he was going to be with an NPC group called "The Samaritans". Hence his perks. That ready made nick name you praise was born of my making a goof and not realizing there was already a "Bulwark" in the CU. I got melodramtic about it, but it was easy enough to fix. I simply had Edmund make the same mistake during his interview with the Samaritins and get corrected. I'd post the bit, except, well, he's not mine now and I don't want to step on the DoJ's toes.

[Lord Liaden]

As I was hoping, this group makes a very solid team. They have a wide variety of powers and skills to draw from, although they do seem to be a little weak in ranged combat. Their origin is an interesting and well-told story with some clever battle tactics depicted. I've always liked the "non-team" concept, and this would work particularly well if the characters were used as PCs: if all the players can't make a game session you don't need an excuse for a character to be absent. Perhaps best of all, the Champions could be omitted from the origin with almost no effect on the story, enabling GMs to establish the team wherever they like.

The characters display considerable depth and complexity - considering the care that was lavished on them, that's no suprise. Every one of these heroes, even the simplest concepts, have some distinctive twist that sets them apart. They also all have strong, serious motivations for becoming heroes - there doesn't seem to be a prima-donna in the pack.

I think they've taken the number two place on my list of "favorite Champions teams" after Scott Heine's Protectors. :) I just wish they could have been given another team name. "MC8" is appropriate but kind of dry IMHO, and doesn't really carry over if you want to place them in another city. :(

[Darren Watts]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
I just wish they could have been given another team name. "MC8" is appropriate but kind of dry IMHO, and doesn't really carry over if you want to place them in another city. :(

If you place them in another city, you absolutely should change the team name. Just to make sure, everybody does get the reference to the MC5, Detroit's legendary proto-punk band, right? 'Cause I don't wanna have to come over there and start knocking heads. You think it's easy coming up with stuff like this day after day? dw

[Hermit]

who? I mean.. uhm yeah, of course we got it.

[Talon]

Oh yeah, MC5, sure, of course.

(???)

Hermit, I really like the concept of the Choir too, and would love to see them fleshed out in DH.

Thanks for all the LL compliments! I'm about halfway through my second read of the MC8, after which I'll have comments of my own. :)

[Crimson Arrow]

Lord Liaden's made some insightful comments.

I'd also noticed that only three have a proper ranged attack (as opposed to throwing an improvised weapon). If I were playing El Aguijon, I'd get him a ranged attack ASAP. There was a choice of no range, or lowering the attack to a level where even 5th Ed defences would have shrugged them off. Well, I could have lost some skills, but I like my characters to have lots of skills and I know I'm not alone in that.

In fact, the MC8 have got a surprisingly effective range of skills (bearing in mind the number of authors involved). I can see them being a JLA sort of team. They lose the first fight, go off and come up with a brilliant plan using their wide-ranging skills and win the rematch.

Second to the Protectors? Now that is praise.

I wasn't sure about the name MC8 when I first read it, but it's really grown on me. I think it's because it strongly identifies a) with their home city and b) with the fact that there are eight of them. Names like The Avengers, The Protectors, Power Company are all great, but it doesn't tell you anything about them.

[Crimson Arrow]

Hermit, I like what I'm hearing about the Choir. If you're interested, I have a couple of suggestions in mind and might think of a few more. The ones you have so far are very good, though. Just wondered if you were open to some suggestions, on the basis that you hadn't fleshed them out.

Maybe I should finish the write-ups for Tisiphone, Alecto and Red Elk and submit them.

Oh yes, he is a nasty piece of work, but with a side that might surprise you. He likes tickling puppies. No, that's not it really. :)

[Darren Watts]

Oh, for cryin' in the beer. What do they teach kids in school these days?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC5

Go, young grasshoppers, and be astounded by the sheer ass-kickingness of it all. In the sound that abounds and resounds and rebounds off the ceiling...

dw

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by Darren Watts
Oh, for cryin' in the beer. What do they teach kids in school these days?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC5

Go, young grasshoppers, and be astounded by the sheer ass-kickingness of it all. In the sound that abounds and resounds and rebounds off the ceiling...

dw

Sorry, Darren, I'm afraid my problem is being an old grasshopper. I cut my teeth on rock-and-roll and came into manhood under the unfortunate influence of disco. Punk was never really my era. And no point in asking me about rap... :rolleyes:

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
Hermit, I like what I'm hearing about the Choir. If you're interested, I have a couple of suggestions in mind and might think of a few more. The ones you have so far are very good, though. Just wondered if you were open to some suggestions, on the basis that you hadn't fleshed them out.

Maybe I should finish the write-ups for Tisiphone, Alecto and Red Elk and submit them.

Oh yes, he is a nasty piece of work, but with a side that might surprise you. He likes tickling puppies. No, that's not it really. :)

Considering how well the MC8 have turned out, I think a lot of us would be very interested in seeing the Choir, the other Furies and Red Elk.

[OddHat]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden
Considering how well the MC8 have turned out, I think a lot of us would be very interested in seeing the Choir, the other Furies and Red Elk.

Seconded.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Darren Watts
If you place them in another city, you absolutely should change the team name. Just to make sure, everybody does get the reference to the MC5, Detroit's legendary proto-punk band, right? 'Cause I don't wanna have to come over there and start knocking heads. You think it's easy coming up with stuff like this day after day? dw I did......sort of indirectly.

[Hermit]

Wow, I'm flattered, and a bit intimidated by the interest in the Choir (And Arrow should DEFINITELY do Red Elk). I'm certainly giving it serious thought now.

In the mean time... where the heck is Bolo's review? ;)

[BoloOfEarth]

Okay, Hermit, it's finally done. Sorry for making you wait.

BTW, I second (no, wait, it's someting more like twenty-third) the motion for you to complete the Choir. (Truly, a Theme group...) Don't you love people singing your praises?

[Hermit]

Originally posted by BoloOfEarth
Okay, Hermit, it's finally done. Sorry for making you wait.


Thanks:) Things just aren't right without the official Bolo review on it :)


BTW, I second (no, wait, it's someting more like twenty-third) the motion for you to complete the Choir. (Truly, a Theme group...) Don't you love people singing your praises?

:o Well, yeah, I'm shallow enough to enjoy that a lot :) Thanks.

[BoloOfEarth]

Well, IMO it all comes down to ego, at least with my writing. Given the time I put into researching airships, writing up the Bayside Blimp, and then proofreading and editing it about 438 times, I figure I got paid less, per hour, than a seven year-old at a Nike factory. That's not saying anything about HERO's pay scale, it's just that I spent far too much time on my work. And seeing my name in print was a major high. That may be shallow, but everybody needs validation. Good work like that shown in the MC8 deserves validation and recognition.

[Hermit]

I know it was a thrill for me :)

Oh, in the further name of Ego (but also because the other characters are fascinating) I've been wondering how the MC-8 get along or think of each other. Darren puts some mention of how the relations tend to go under "Campaign Use".

Any further thoughts from folks on that?

[Lord Liaden]

Generally speaking, I would expect these heroes to have a pretty smooth working relationship. All of them seem to be serious and dedicated to their calling, so I should think that they would come to count on each other when facing a serious challenge.

I truly believe that Lady Liberty will be the glue that holds this team together. Not only is she the one most likely to call the heroes to meet a crisis, but she has the kind of dedication and idealism that would naturally command respect. The team will probably take its cue for overall goals from her, and I can see her as team spokesperson. OTOH, in an actual fight I'd expect the others to defer to Commando Rubberbando as field leader. He has the most combat experience and a natural take-charge attitude.

Raaktor is likely to assume the role of "spiritual mentor" for the group: his personality, similar role in his original tribe, and ability to read the physical clues to people's inner thoughts, would naturally lead to that. Stalker might also contribute on that level to a lesser degree due to his longer life experience. Psiphon is likely to be more the outsider in the group due to his fear of what PSI could do to his friends, but I could also see him being very protective of them because they give him a sense of belonging that he's lacked since leaving PSI.

As mentioned earlier in this discussion, El Aguijon will probably be the team jokester, trying to lighten his teammates' serious mood. Then again, if he truly does have a death-wish as his writeup hints at, he may need to be reigned in by the team leaders from taking unnecessary risks.

I suspect that Steadfast will be the team peacemaker, attempting to smooth over personality conflicts and perhaps mediating disputes. Megaera has the discipline and decisiveness to be both a strong voice in planning and decision-making, and the logical backup to Rubberbando as combat leader.

[Hermit]

As usual, It's hard to top L.L's logic. That sounds very plausible to me. Someone in the Champions thread once posted a sort of "What do your character think of each other".

Going with that, and what I could read into 'Campaign use' section for the group, and comparing some psychological limitations in each entry I thought I'd take a stab at what Stalker MIGHT think of his team-mates. This is just a guess, and nothing more.

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What Stalker thinks of:
Lady Liberty: "I admire her; A no nonsense young woman with a dedication to getting the job done. She reminds me a bit of my son. She has more faith in the system than I do, but to each their own. Damned if I can figure out those devices she uses though. Oh well, we all have our secrets."�

Psiphon: "He's quiet, except when he's offering some scum a second chance. I don't begrudge anyone their shot at redemption, but when I meet the Choir, I hope he's not around. I don't care if one of them gets on their knees and begs- They're going to pay. As for his powers, His ability to draw in psychic energy and the side effect of cranium growth is odd. Psiphon may be a living example of energy-matter conversion."

El Aguijon: "The man's mind is brilliant. His attitude is often grating. Unfortunately they're in the same body. Maybe I secretly envy the way he's able to continue to enjoy life no matter what comes. I have considered helping him in enhancing his sting to become useful from a distance, but other things have to come first, for both of us."

Raaktor: "Imagine, a living breathing Homo Sapiens Erectus among us. Anthropology and Biology are not my areas of expertise, but the abilities he's manifested, if modern man can duplicate them, could be worth learning. I could use hunting skills like Raaktor's, even if my prey is of the two legged variety."

Steadfast: "You do not 'turn the other cheek' in a war. The kid's (God, most of the team seems too damn young) an idealist. He's noble, he's pure, and he'd give his life for anyone of us and he barely knows us. I just hope he doesn't get himself or anyone else killed while he's reconciling those ideals with what has to be done."

Megaera: "In many ways the true powerhouse of the team. More impressive to me than that raw power is Megaera's uncanny intellect. There are times she makes me feel positively dim. We haven't talked much. I'm not sure she approves of my own tactics, and I can't say I approve of all of hers. We're facing society's predators, and I see no shame in ambushing them from behind or any other direction that works."

Commando Rubberbando: "Roger is the sort of man I can respect. I believe he knows (or at least suspects) my true age. We've caught each others' lingo more than once. The man is a soldier, and tempers his own idealism with full knowledge of the dangers we face. While I'm no mind reader, it seems he's fighting for the sake of his family and all families like it. If I had learned that lesson earlier, maybe my own son would still be here. Once I'm done with the Choir, maybe I can focus some of my time in helping his condition. Oh, and whoever stuck him with that name should be shot."�

[Talon]

Here's my go:

What Lady Liberty thinks of:

PsiPhon: "He's a good guy who means well. However, his criminal past and his skittishness make him a liability. He needs a lot of counseling -- hopefully before he makes a mistake and someone gets hurt. I'd never do this now, but someday we could launch a great sting operation against PSI by advertising his location to the right informants. I'd spend more time with him myself, but I've got an identity and a job to protect."

El Aguijon: "Smart, capable, a positive attitude...I couldn't ask for more. He gives the group a lot of tactical flexibility -- even if his powers aren't the strongest, the psychological effect of insect swarms can be devastating, especially against agents and lesser villains. He's also great at boosting morale, even when things seem hopeless. I wish I could learn how he does that."

Stalker: "For an obsessed avenger, he keeps his head about him pretty well. I'm glad he realizes that bringing the Choir to justice is better than some sort of vigilante revenge. He'd get along really well with my father, though I really don't want to give Dad any ideas..."

Raaktor: "Trax is a fierce warrior with a heart of gold. His mesmerism is clearly some sort of shamanistic ritual magic...too bad I can't talk to him about it without revealing my own abilities. :sigh: He can be a real pain with his complete lack of knowledge about how the world works, but somehow I feel closer to him than most of the others on the team."

Steadfast: "He's a good guy. He's a good guy. --If I keep saying that, maybe I'll remember it the next time he goes off to check the crying kid instead of sucking up villain damage like he's supposed to. Not that I fault him for wanting to keep people safe, but heroes need to prioritize. Sometimes he can be just too darn good."

Megaera: "Megaera is brilliant, and a skilled tactician. Honestly, I think she could outdo me as a leader, and I'd be happy to give her the spot, but she's something of a soloist, and you can't do that when you're in charge. She makes a great skirmisher and second in command, so I'm not complaining. I wish I could get to know her better (we are the only women on the team), but she's always so distant when I try to just talk to her."

Commando Rubberbando: "Roger's been through so much in his life, and has really taken it well. I admire everything he's done, and still does, for his country. I wish I had as much experience as he does -- I know he doesn't do it on purpose, but sometimes he makes me feel like a rookie again. If we need to split the team, he's the one in charge of the other half. All in all, he's the one I trust the most."

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Geoff Speare

Steadfast: "He's a good guy. He's a good guy. --If I keep saying that, maybe I'll remember it the next time he goes off to check the crying kid instead of sucking up villain damage like he's supposed to. Not that I fault him for wanting to keep people safe, but heroes need to prioritize. Sometimes he can be just too darn good."


Oh yeah, she wants him. ;)

EDIT: Pardon, need to subdue my inner smart aleck there... Seriously, thanks for joining in on that Geoff.
*Prods Glen, John, and Ed* Anyone else? :)

[Crimson Arrow]

I've done about half (gimme a break, I've got three to do). Should be ready tomorrow.

[Killer Shrike]

Pulling a long day -- up at 600 am to get to the car shop to show them the problem with my car they didnt detect themselves (traffics a bitch going north on the 15 in the morning)-- took the lead mechanic on the road for 15 minutes at 8 am on a stretch of open road. He sits behind the wheel for 5 minutes and figures out something is wrong with the rack & pinion), and working late until 730ish until my wife can pick me up and then we go to pick up WilyQuixote from the airport for the second time this month :rolleyes:

Should get home by 10 pm after dinner, and plan to relax in front of American Chopper for an hour and then hit the sack -- only got 2 hours of sleep last night :D


Maybe tomorrow?

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
I've done about half (gimme a break, I've got three to do). Should be ready tomorrow.

No worries, and no hurries... :)




Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Pulling a long day --

only got 2 hours of sleep last night :D


Maybe tomorrow?

Yipes! Yeah, a long and eventful day sounds like. Hope your vehicles treat you more kindly soon.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Hermit
Yipes! Yeah, a long and eventful day sounds like. Hope your vehicles treat you more kindly soon. Now that theyve replaces the rack & pinion it should be smooth sailing.....

[Hermit]

As I wrestle with Insomnia, I figured I'd put down a few thoughts from the loyal and lovable Steadfast :)
.................

What Steadfast thinks of:
Lady Liberty- "A good woman, but she's about my age going on forty. She's definitely a perfectionist, but sometimes I think in her drive to get the job done, she forgets the fall out our battles create beyond mere property damage. What kind of message are we sending when we storm in like Dirty Harry in long underwear, but don't let people see our human sides? It's the one area I disagree with her about, because overall, Lady Liberty knows what she's doing. I used to worry about her being a bit.. uhm, squishy, but you should see her move once the fighting starts. She brings organization to the group, and we're going to need that if we ever want to really get it together as a team."

Psiphon- "Psiphon and I are friends, he just doesn't know it yet.. or more likely, admit it. Yes, I've heard he's an ex-criminal, but 'By their fruits you shall know them', and I've seen him at work. He's brave, and he's always willing to help others find their own redemption while searching for his own. He'll offer a hand to anyone, but refuses all hands offered to him. I've got to help him with that. I've worked with young people and seen what that sort of social deprevation can do to the soul, but it's going to have to be on his terms, not mine, so I don't push. In the mean time, he's got my back mentally, and I can shield his body when things get physical. It's really amazing how he gets people to just keel over like that without actually having to hurt them. I wish I could do that."

El Aguijon- "A great guy! I guess the rest of us do tend to be a tad gloomy or intense sometimes, and Alejandro reminds us to enjoy the world while we're protecting it. I think it's also his way of keeping heart even when things get darkest. He and I share a love of music, and I consider him a friend. He's been acting a bit reckless of late in battle, and that worries me a bit. Fortunately, we're not the only ones who have a hard time predicting him. I'm no tactical genius (Like half the team seems to be) but a small flying latino leading a swarm while singing to a buzzing Ride of the Valkyries tune is enough to catch anyone off guard."

Stalker-"I sense a lot of pain in Stalker, but the few times I've tried to get him to open up, he's nearly bit my head off. I really wish he wouldn't call me 'kid', but he does. I'm afraid that's how he sees me, despite the fact I'm of age roughly with Psiphon, Megaera, and L.L. I'm torn between trying to prove myself to him (Should I even have to?) and hoping someone else on the team can get through to him before this vendetta of his gets him killed. Like the rest of the team, he's no slacker in a fight. It's just amazing how many options he managed to put on those wrist launchers. Sadly, once the fighting is over, it's back to the shadows and his own personal hunt for him. There should be more to life."

Raaktor- "Raaktor has incredible insights if you take the time to listen to him. A good thing, because otherwise some 'modern' people might try to take advantage of him. I'm sure not going to let that happen. I've heard some of the papers refer to him as if he were some violent savage; that's a lie. He's a man of peace if ever there was one. Sometimes he reminds me of my Pastor... with steel clawed gloves, slight fangs and some really freaky abilities added on, of course."

Megaera- "Remember back to early Highschool to that one class where you got to sit next to one of the prettiest, smartest, and most talented girls in your grade? Remember what a nervous wreck it made you to try to talk to her as an equal? Well, there's Megaera (and her sisters) for you. But that's my problem, not hers. I'm not sure what to make of the "By Athena" language, is Athena her god, or just her patron? On one hand I worry that she's being used, on the other hand, no one else on the team comes closer to understanding what it's like to have a higher power blessing you, and burdening you all at the same time. I like to think we team up pretty well, her taking them high, I taking them low; but maybe I'm deluding myself."

Commando Rubberbando- "If all you judge Commando Rubberbando by was appearance or his codename, he wouldn't seem very impressive..At first glance he's no where near as awe inspiring as Megaera, as primal as Raaktor, or as colorful as the dedicated Lady Liberty....but if you know the facts, you have to respect him. He was a hero, long before he had powers. I'm not just talking about being a soldier. He's walked in civil rights movements during times in our history when that could endanger a black man's life. Mr. Allcomb does more than put on tights and 'kick butt'; he helps better the city around him. Without even intending it, he's become something of a rolemodel for myself, and so many others. He's the second half of the 'leadership' of the team; and his experience always shows. I think sometimes his dislike of improvising in the middle of battle ruffles some of the other members, but I can't be sure."

[lemming]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Now that theyve replaces the rack & pinion it should be smooth sailing.....
I think I know one of your problems. Someone took your engine and replaced it with a sail.

[Glen Sprigg]

Alright, alright...I'll see what Psiphon's got in that oversized cranium of his...

***********

Lady Liberty: "You know, she kinda reminds me of those PRIMUS agents I talked with, all stiff and law-and-order types. She'd probably make a good cop if she wasn't doing the superhero thing. She's definitely a no-nonsense type of person, which is good in this line of work. She's a good leader for this group, if we really need one."

El Aguilon: "He takes this way too lightly; one of these days he's going to find out how serious this can be, and I hope someone's there to pick up the pieces. Still, there's nothing like a swarm of bees to get someone's attention."

Stalker: "On the other hand, this guy takes this way too seriously. I'm worried he's going to hurt someone, or get badly hurt himself. I think his pieces are already broken inside, and he's just barely holding on now."

Raaktor: "This one's interesting. I'd like to try to learn his own language, just to give him someone to talk to. Heck of a fighter, especially when he goes berserk. Definitely a guy who will watch your back, assuming he's not climbing over top of it to get at the fight."

Steadfast: "I think we could get along if I let it happen. He's got the right attitude about second chances, even if he's too tied to religion. Good guy to have in front of you when bullets start flying. I wonder what Psymon would think if he poked around in that mind? He'd probably keel over from the unfamiliarity of touching a good thought."

Megaera: "Now there's a super girl. Confident, tough, and a serious powerhouse. Anyone who can plow into Mechanon and still not muss her hair is okay by me. Even Mind Slayer wouldn't want to mess with her, which is a good enough reason to stick close to her in a fight."

Commando Rubberbando: "Nice to know I'm not considered the 'token black guy' on the team. He reminds me a lot of my dad, actually. Except for the drinking, gambling, and jail time, of course. I wonder if they served together in 'Nam. I doubt it, since this guy's way better than Dad was at tactics and stuff. I mean, an ex-Green Beret? Even Lady Liberty takes orders from this guy."

Glen

[Crimson Arrow]

What El Aguijón thinks of:
Lady Liberty: “What a mysterious lady. She likes to keep herself in the background, unlike me! Lady Liberty’s dedication to her role is magnificent and her abilities and skills make her useful in a number of ways in and out of combat. I would trust her with my life. I just wish she’d lighten up a little. I know things can be tough for us, but life’s easier with a smile and a song.�

Psiphon: “Psiphon is a little withdrawn, but in his circumstances, I cannot blame him. To be honest, I admire him hugely for taking a stand against PSI. Everyone deserves a second chance and it is nice to see he’s willing to give others the opportunity he had. He’s another one who could do with a little more humour, but with his past, I’ll give him some leeway.�

Stalker: “A fantastic and talented scientist. His knowledge and expertise are extensive and I love our talks about science. He can be very intense, which is not my style. I know lives are at risk, but sometimes when he is around, you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. I get the feeling he does not approve of my jokes, but he has never expressed an opinion about it. Maybe he’ll loosen up when he gets to know the group better, but I have my doubts. I wonder what he went through to make him so obsessed.�

Raaktor: “Remarkable! That is the only word which describes this fellow. He is surprisingly intelligent and some of the skills he displays cannot be matched by humans today. This might seem a little odd for a man of my background to ask, but what else has society lost in the name of ‘progress’? I get the impression he was quite unusual, even in his time, though. It is a little difficult to follow his mindset sometimes, but I have never been into that ‘new age’ stuff. I have not yet made much progress in explaining modern technology to him, but I shall persevere.�

Steadfast: “I have great respect for this young man. In spite of all we in the MC8 see, he retains his faith, not just in God, but in humanity too. People like him are the future, for without them, what is worth fighting for? I know some of the others think Steadfast is an idealist who needs to come to grips with the ‘real world’. I think he is very well aware of it, but that his beliefs see him through. I hope he can remain on his path. Nice voice too. Maybe he can give me some tips.�

Megaera: “To tell the truth, I am somewhat in awe of this lady. She is so beautiful and strong-willed, I feel a little awkward in her presence. Her courage, wisdom and compassion do her credit and I do not need to mention how powerful she is too. She even has a brilliant mind. In spite of all this, she never acts as though she is anything better than you or me. Now do you see why I find her amazing? She has even been known to smile at some of my puns, although she’s all business during a fight.�

Commando Rubberbando: “I admire this man immensely. He has been through one career in the armed forces and now has a new one as a costumed hero. Like me, he has risen from adversity. He might seem a little stern sometimes, but I know there is a very genuine human being under that rubbery shell. He is a family man and I can relate to that. I trust him implicitly to lead us in any combat.�

[Crimson Arrow]

What Raaktor thinks of:
Lady Liberty: “I think she finds me intriguing. I get the impression she wishes to talk to me about something, but then she backs off. She may seem a little grim, but this is obviously just her way. Being a hero and fighting evil is not some kind of game to her; she is deadly serious and I can understand her approach. I think she could afford to relax a bit more, however. In life, one must find balance and I hope that I can encourage her to see a little more of the humour all around us.�

Psiphon: “This fellow has a remarkable gift. He has turned his back on people he thought were his friends, in order to be true to himself. I sense the strain this has placed upon him. However, each man must find his own path in life and he has chosen his. I know that others might doubt Psiphon because of his past, but I can tell he is genuine in his desire to turn from evil. I am there if he ever needs guidance, but I think this is a man who strides to his destiny unaided.�

El Aguijón: “Outwardly, he is very cheerful and full of the joys of life. This would normally gladden my heart. However, I fear there is something more at work here, hidden from sight. I have tried to speak to him about this, but he insists nothing is wrong and turns it into a joke. I am keeping a close eye on him and am ready to catch him, if he falls. This “science� thing he talks of is seems like just another sort of magic to me, but he insists that is not the case. We shall see.�

Stalker: “I have some reservations about him. He is brimming with tension and perhaps grief. I can tell there is a lot going on in his mind. There is something about him which reminds me of the story of Kataniki, a brave hunter who was haunted by the death of his wife and became one with the night, never again to see the light of day. As with El Aguijón, I have tried to discuss this with Stalker, but he will not talk about it at all. Perhaps this will change as I gain his trust. He too follows this mysterious path of science. Unlike El Aguijón, he does not seem too bothered if I understand his chosen way or not. He is clearly committed to his fight against evil and I respect him for that and trust him in battle.�

Steadfast: “This man believes in one deity. This is an unusual concept to me, but it is be quite common now, so Megaera tells me. So much has changed in the world since I was born, that I will not judge the faith of anyone, unless they are obviously evil. Steadfast does not appear to have any problems with me, in spite of our differing beliefs. In fact, he seems to enjoy having discussions with me about moral and spiritual matters. He is clearly a good man and I sense a great inner strength in addition to his physical power.�

Megaera: “A representative of a goddess walking among us. What a miraculous age to be in. She has the qualities of a great leader, yet with modesty and a willingness to listen to others. We have often spoken of matters relating to life and she has a wonderful mind and a calm wisdom, which I admire. I have great faith in her and her abilities.�

Commando Rubberbando: “This is a man with much to commend him. He is a brave and experienced fighter and I am proud to stand alongside him. I hope that he can teach me some of the ways of a modern warrior. Some think that he is troubled, by I think that he is basically at peace with himself. He campaigns for “equal rights�. The idea of treating a member of your own tribe unfairly seems insane to me, but I have now experienced it first hand. He has my full backing.�

[Crimson Arrow]

What Megaera thinks of:
Lady Liberty: “Lady Liberty has immense dedication to her life as a hero. She and I have worked together on occasion and I find her to have a very professional attitude. She sometimes tries to engage me in conversation, but seems to have something else on her mind. I have tried not to press Lady Liberty, but perhaps she thinks I do not want to talk. When I have time, I shall try to make more of an effort to get to know her and show that I wish to be a friend as well as a colleague.�

Psiphon: “This is a man who has been through a lot. He is hard to get to know, as he is something of a loner. For a while I wondered if might be because he once trusted a group of people who turned out to be his enemy and that he is afraid of this happening again. However, I now think that his attitude might actually be out of a desire to protect us, should PSI ever try to seek revenge. I have reassured him that he need not face his fears alone. While he thanked me, he has retained his distance. I know we are all there for him, should he need us.�

El Aguijón: “El Aguijón is a lively character. It is obvious that he is a very clever and talented man, but I wish he would be a little more cautious and serious when we are in a combat situation. I am trying to instil in him the value of working as a team and that if one part of the ‘machine’ stops working, the rest can soon follow. I know that he understands this, but he seems almost incapable of stopping. I suppose it is just his nature.�

Stalker: “I cannot say that I approve of his methods; they are not to my taste. Sometimes, I think he is more of an assassin than a warrior. However, I appreciate that occasionally an indirect approach might save lives, so while I will not resort to such tactics myself, Stalker’s methods can sometimes be the best. He has a good heart and a desire to see justice done. I just hope that this does not turn into a thirst for vengeance.�

Raaktor: “Trax and I share a kind of bond. Each of us represents a time which has now passed, although in his case, that time was considerably longer ago. We also believe in balancing opinions and options before acting, although he can be quite impulsive at times. Fortunately his instincts are very good. I am trying to teach him about the modern world, especially history. He is a quick learner, but there are so many new things, it is taking time to educate him.�

Steadfast: “Steadfast believes his powers are a gift from his God and I can easily believe him. I am not sure if he finds me a little disturbing; he seems to have trouble talking to me sometimes. It could be because my existence challenges one of the tenets of his faith, but perhaps he is just a little shy. He is one of the team I have the most confidence in. I think he would die rather than see a good person fall. He also does charity work, which I think is important. People must see that we are about more than just destruction.�

Commando Rubberbando: “Roger is a good soldier and an expert in combat situations. My tactical experience is, at the moment, more theoretical in nature, but I hope to learn much from my association with this man. Judging from things he has said, he has seen a lot of the worst side of human nature, yet he still fights for a better world. I feel honored to have a bold and skilled warrior such as this by my side. Not only this, but he is an equal rights activist, a cause which is worthy of such a doughty fighter.�

[Talon]

Did anyone else find it really hard to keep out "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" cracks when talking about Raaktor? :)

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Geoff Speare
Did anyone else find it really hard to keep out "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" cracks when talking about Raaktor? :)

Actually, I'm just relieved no one has made jokes about Steadfast's power..

"Just standing there is what I do best!" :)

BTW, thanks for the opinions guys.... I've already begun using the MC-8 as NPCs and it's working well.

[Lord Liaden]

Thanks for sharing these insights, gang. It's intriguing to see these characters through the eyes of their teammates (or as close to that as a character's creator can get).

I'm struck by the high regard all of the other MC 8 have for Megaera - her power, intelligence and attitude. She seems to be gaining the aura that Superman wears as part of the Justice League: she may not lead the team, and not all of the Eight agree with her methods, but they all respect and admire her. She seems to be the one that the team would count on to see them through when things get desperate; like a sports team giving the ball to their best player in the last seconds of a game.

[Hermit]

Hey, let's not be hasty Lord Liaden. For all we know Commando Rubberbando's thoughts on her might be "I can't STAND the bi..." ;) But not likely.

Good points though. I was judging Stalker's and Steadfast's reactions on her personality and psych lims (Reflecting how she behaves), her competency (Power level), and that DF of hers certainly would have its influence.
Good PRE and COM as well.

[Killer Shrike]

And....here it is: Commando Rubberbando(!)'s intraparty perspectives:

Lady Liberty: “A real spitfire, that one. Tuff. Thinks fast on her feet. Knows what she's about. But she's holding something back...Tactically, she understands the value of surprise, and concealing strength from an enemy. What she lacks in firepower she makes up for with tricks and tenacity. She would have made a good Green Beret back in Nam -- gender notwithstanding. She prefers to guide than to lead; this is ok though -- many a field commander has had an advisor that was smarter and better informed than themselves but without the willingness to make tough decisions in the clinch. With maturity she may grow out of this -- in the meantime I'm glad she's on our side. The team looks to her for the logistics and intelligence of our little operation, and her special tap on information ensures that we all look to her for strategic briefings. If we had Intel this good in the GB's, life would have been a lot easier! Hooah!�

Psiphon: “With parents in the upper income bracket instead of the lower, this kid could have been anything. He's livin proof of the lack of options for an inner city kid turning them to crime; sure he walked on the other side of the law for a spell, but he's just a product of his environment. When an opportunity to get out of the ghetto came along, he took it -- in his place, any of us might have done the same. What's remarkable about David is that when he realized what he was involved in he had the courage to get out of it even if it meant his own death. Ive seen courage like that among kids his age overseas, but its rare here in the States. What I ask myself is, would I have had the same courage in his place at his age? I don't know, but I doubt it. I didnt become a man until a squad of Charlies had my squad pinned down in the jungle in the dead of night, with 3 of my buddies bleeding out beside me. I found my courage -- the no bullshit if-I-do-this-Ill-probably-die-but-if-I-dont-I-will-die kind of courage -- because it was do or die. David though; well David had a choice, and thats real courage. He might be the bravest of all my new squadmates when you get down to it. I'd like to be a mentor to the boy like I used to be to some of the newbs fresh off the line back in the Army, or some of "indige" kids I worked with overseas, but I dont want to push it on him. I'll let him come to me -- that always works best. Tactically he requires careful positioning and planning to use to best advantage, but as part of a combined arms operation he's a powerful tool with which to demoralize an enemy teetering on the cusp of Defend and Withdraw.�

El Aguijón: “I just call him Bug most times -- he reminds me of a fellow soldier I served with in the GB's named Gonzalez-Contreras; we all called him Gonzo. He was a jokester too, and the first into any sitch -- fearless. He died in Kosovo, fell in the line. Went out with a grin. Bug's like that too. I dont think the others see it, but somethin's riding him to an early grave. I've had to snatch him back out of harms way too many times to think otherwise, and while he thanks me afterwards -- I dunno; somethin tells me he's ambivalent about not dying. I got my eye on him, and if there's anythin I can do about it he wont go down on my watch. Tactically, he's hard to use. He's got stealth but with Lady Lib we usually dont lack for recon options. He'd make a decent infiltrator, but he's so damn eager to get into trouble that I never feel safe sending him in alone. He mostly serves as a skirmisher and a wild card. He's got potential, but his emotions rule rather than his head. He would have washed out of the GB's or ended up dead most likely.�

Stalker: “A good man. Older than he lets on. MTV kids dont say gee whiz, keen, and peachy. I've seen his like before -- he wants revenge. Reminds me of a civilian militia member named Miric that I worked with in what used to be Yugoslavia. He used to be a violinist until his wife and kids were wiped out by mortars. The other militia called him 'The Shadow of Death'. He turned his violin strings into a makeshift garotte, and he used it often according to the locals. One of the other militia men told me that he had made a vow to never play the violin again until he had killed a dozen of the enemy for each of his fallen loved ones. I got the impression that his family had been large....I sense a little bit of that in Stalker. Tactically, he's the best of class. No happy horseshit, of all my new squadmates I'd want him with me when it all hits the fan. He thinks three moves ahead or more, and that equals competence in my book. I know that I can count on him when the situation turns sour. My only concern with him is that if he ever gets his revenge, his fighting spirit might evaporate -- and if that happened in the middle of a situation it would be bad for us.�


Raaktor: “Sounds weird, but he reminds me of my Uncle Josey. Uncle Josey was really my granddaddy's Uncle -- he lived to be 102. He was born at the tail end of the Civil War, was already an old man by WW I, and died just a few years before the moon walk. He worked on the first Ford assembly line, did all kinds of stuff. He had a story for everything. If you could think of it, he had seen or heard tale of something like it. Wise old man. He used to tell us stories when I was a kid. Thinking back, half of it was tall tales and folk lore he retold with a Detroit factory workers perspective -- one story he'd tell us about a guy he had worked with on the Ford lines who worked the line 7 days straight for the overtime to buy a house for his wife and kids, only to drop dead at the end of it from exhaustion was a spin on John Henry, and so on. But still, it enriched our minds and taught us values. Raaktor's like that. Just listening to him talk is like sittin on the floor listening to Uncle Josey. If being a superhero doesnt work out for him he should consider becoming the next Mr. Rogers or something. Once you get past the fangs and claws he's really just a big softie with a heart of gold. Tactically he's a good complement to Stalker and Lady Lib both, but too lethal for the most part to employ casually. If we have to do something in the bush, I can rely on him to take the lead until I can knock the rust off my bushmaster skills. In truth, I hate seein him show up in tight spots, because if he were to fall in battle it would be a sad loss to the world. He represents an earlier time before we had all this racial tension hooplah and a society stratified into the haves and havennots. I think we could all learn a lot about ourselves and the inequities that still exist in our culture through the eyes of a "man from before time" so to speak. His very existance in some ways proves that it doesnt have to be the way it is now."


Steadfast: “Hmph. Cornfed bible thumpin white boy -- fun, fun, fun. Seriously though, good kid, but I cant tell if he's naive, not too bright, or what. They say there's no aetheists in foxholes, and I still believe that there's some kind of higher power watchin over us, but Ive seen too many people killed in the name of one religion or t'other to put much store into any particular belief set. But, at least he doesnt try to push his beliefs on to the rest of us, and he's dependible. I ride the kid a little -- I think he needs a firm hand to compensate for his strange lack of self-confidence; I dont think Ive ever met somebody as humble as him before, and Ive met a lot of people. Modesty is well and good, but too much isnt healthy. This guy could twist an Abrams into a pretzel, but he acts like a shy librarian at times. He seems to look up to me, but I dont know why -- we come from two very different worlds, and Ive had to do things in my life that I think would curdle his stomach if he knew of them. I dont want the boy to look up to or emulate me; I want him to become a man worth looking up to himself. Tactically, he provides very necessary bulk to the squad. He's like our heavy machine gunner; a fairly static but much needed firebase from which the rest of us can attack out from. Im always glad to see the big galoot show up when we're squarring off with heavy hitters -- having him as an asset changes the whole battle plan. The big downside is that its difficult to get any kind of synergy by using him with one or more of the others. So the trick is to use him as the lynchpin -- whereever he is, thats the center of operations -- keep most of the others centered on him, and let me or Meg deal with stragglers and keep opponents within the perimeter. One good thing about Stand-slow is that when some bad guy badly needs to get bounced off a wall but no walls are handy, his back will do.�


Megaera: “What can you say? She's a "brick-house". All around, the most well rounded and capable member of the team, from a superheroic perspective. When she shows up, our odds of success get better regardless of the sitch. But of all the squad, I get the least feel for her. Hard to read. Cant quite figure out what her deal is, or what motivates her to fight crime. She's spirited, but other than as an idealistic pursuit I just dont see where she's coming from, and that makes me cautious to employ her as fully as her abilities would allow. With Stalker, Lady Lib, Psiphon, the Bug, Raak, or even Stand-around I know that they'll push themselves to the bleeding edge to get the job done when it matters, but with Megaera.....I just dont know yet.�

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Hermit
Actually, I'm just relieved no one has made jokes about Steadfast's power..

"Just standing there is what I do best!" :)

BTW, thanks for the opinions guys.... I've already begun using the MC-8 as NPCs and it's working well. Spoke too soon ;)

[Glen Sprigg]

That about covers everyone, doesn't it?

Is anyone else getting an itch to start writing co-op stories about these characters? Or is it just me?

Glen

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Hermit
Hey, let's not be hasty Lord Liaden. For all we know Commando Rubberbando's thoughts on her might be "I can't STAND the bi..." ;) But not likely.

More like -- "I cant get a handle on her" -- she's too otherworldly for CR to grok where she's coming from. CR reads people and thats where a lot of his decision making comes from -- by knowing how people tick he knows how to deal with them and how to employ them. With Megaera, he cant get a reading on what motivates her, and that makes him hesitant to trust her -- he doesnt know what she's capable of morally or ethically, how willing she is to go the distance, or what her breaking point is.

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Spoke too soon ;)

Tsk, and Steadfast spoke so well of him. :D

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Glen Sprigg
That about covers everyone, doesn't it?

Is anyone else getting an itch to start writing co-op stories about these characters? Or is it just me?

Glen

Heck, I often wish DoJ would do/allow more fiction, be it official stuff or fanfic (Though I understand gaming supplements don't need more than a sprinkling of it). Some of the writing at the "Super Hero Showdown" was quite good, and it would have been fun to see the characters with a few more pages.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Hermit
Tsk, and Steadfast spoke so well of him. :D

Yeah; CR likes Steadfast, but you gotta admit, to a hardened military man Steadfast is going to come off like a wet behind the ears newb. Once he's hardened up a little bit and developed a little salty crust of his own -- proven himself to CR as it were -- he'll get a lot more respect.

[Crimson Arrow]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
More like -- "I cant get a handle on her" -- she's too otherworldly for CR to grok where she's coming from. CR reads people and thats where a lot of his decision making comes from -- by knowing how people tick he knows how to deal with them and how to employ them. With Megaera, he cant get a reading on what motivates her, and that makes him hesitant to trust her -- he doesnt know what she's capable of morally or ethically, how willing she is to go the distance, or what her breaking point is.

I liked this tack. CR's views on all the others stem from his personal experiences, either specific people, or things he's has seen or done as a soldier. He's never, ever, met someone like Megaera. She doesn't fit into his worldview, or his experiences, so he is unsure of her.

It's a nice contrast with Stalker, another older person, who is perhaps more cynical. He is willing to form an opinion of Megaera based on what he observes and deduces, rather as a scientist might do. CR wants proof positive. What's interesting is that he might have to open a whole new class of experiences to understand her.

As to fan fiction, I quite like the idea, but I'm not sure how much interest there would be. Maybe it's because I have a vested interest, but I think the MC8's personalities and histories provide enough material for lots of stories, just about their own backgrounds, Hunteds, and beliefs, let alone dealing with, say, Dr. Destroyer threatening to melt the ice caps.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
I liked this tack. CR's views on all the others stem from his personal experiences, either specific people, or things he's has seen or done as a soldier. He's never, ever, met someone like Megaera. She doesn't fit into his worldview, or his experiences, so he is unsure of her.

It's a nice contrast with Stalker, another older person, who is perhaps more cynical. He is willing to form an opinion of Megaera based on what he observes and deduces, rather as a scientist might do. CR wants proof positive. What's interesting is that he might have to open a whole new class of experiences to understand her.

Exactly. What is it with you CA? You always seem to pick up on my intent -- its almost scary at times. ;)

[Crimson Arrow]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Exactly. What is it with you CA? You always seem to pick up on my intent -- its almost scary at times. ;)

While I'd love to claim some spooky psychic ability, I thought you'd explained it all clearly. The first paragraph I wrote simply rehashed what you had previously said and the second one was just a logical inference from what you and Hermit had written and explained the difference of attitudes between the the "elder statesmen" of MC8 (as I saw it).

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
While I'd love to claim some spooky psychic ability, I thought you'd explained it all clearly. The first paragraph I wrote simply rehashed what you had previously said and the second one was just a logical inference from what you and Hermit had written and explained the difference of attitudes between the the "elder statesmen" of MC8 (as I saw it). I always think I explain it clearly, but half the time seemingly nobody else does ;)

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
I always think I explain it clearly, but half the time seemingly nobody else does ;)

Huh? wha? I don' unnerstan'

;)

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Hermit
Huh? wha? I don' unnerstan'

;) Crimson Arrow can explain it to you :D

[Killer Shrike]

In the spirit of Champions Universe: News of the World, I updated Commando Rubberbando. I brought him up from 350 to 475 as that seemed reasonable based upon the Champions expansion to around the 525 point range -- close enough to be in the ballpark, but still leaving a 50 point gap on the table for the iconics.

Commando Rubberbando 2007 (http://www.killershrike.com/MillennialMen/CharacterFiles/NPCs/Commando%20Rubberbando.HTML)

Enjoy...

[Hermit]

Pretty Cool, Shrike. Thanks.

I might do something similar for Stalker and Steadfast, but being lazy, I'll probably just tell what they'd probably want to add where for each, and let folks do it themselves from there instead of writing a full sheet up, and throw in a bit more history to cover what they've been up to since then.

[Crimson-Hawk]

I think the "CU:NotW" style updates are a good idea and I'm glad KS did one for Commando. Very well written, btw.

Speaking of well written, the character sheet itself looks very nice. Is the export template for that available on the Hero Designer website?

[Killer Shrike]

I think the "CU:NotW" style updates are a good idea and I'm glad KS did one for Commando. Very well written, btw.

Speaking of well written, the character sheet itself looks very nice. Is the export template for that available on the Hero Designer website?

No, I haven't been posting my export templates on the HERO Designer site. I suppose I probably should, but haven't gotten around to it.

Anyway, if you send me an email, Ill send them to you.