Scott Heine - Protectors

[SAVeira]

Back on the old board, Scott was kindly post new images of his classic characters, the Protectors. Just wondering if Scott had some more images available? You did not get to my favorite character, Dr. Wraithe, also known as the Warlock. So if you have more great artwork or stories you would like share, please do.

Always wondered if you used Coatlicue in your own campaign and what became of her.

S.A. Veira

[nHammer]

Funny coincidence..I recently started updating the Protectors to 5th Ed...:D

[Ghost Archer]

Originally posted by nHammer
Funny coincidence..I recently started updating the Protectors to 5th Ed...:D

Funny, I recently finished updating the Protectors to 5th Edition.

[RDU Neil]

Are these updated images of the Protectors still available?

Or is that what you were asking?

Love to see them, either way.

[FlyBoy]

I second that.
"To Serve and Protect" was one of the best adventures ever to come out of 3rd edition...

[Scott Heine]

Hi, guys. Yeah, I started to post updated images for the ol' team a bit before New Year's. I was hoping to have them all up and available by now. Unfortunately, I've been absolutely buried at work -- it's all a good thing, but it's leaving me very little free time. I'm hoping things will settle down a bit by the middle of March, and then I can get the rest of the team available. In the meantime, I've posted the pics that were already done at a freebie web host. Here's the link...

The first batch of Protector pics... (http://www.geocities.com/scott_heine_hero/)

Doctor Wraithe, aka "The Warlock," will be the next one up. The line art is done and inked; just need to scan and color. But don't hold your breath. I'm serious when I say mid-March is the earliest I hope for...

Now pardon me while I bury myself under my "in" box once again... :p

[SAVeira]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
Hi, guys. Yeah, I started to post updated images for the ol' team a bit before New Year's. I was hoping to have them all up and available by now. Unfortunately, I've been absolutely buried at work -- it's all a good thing, but it's leaving me very little free time. I'm hoping things will settle down a bit by the middle of March, and then I can get the rest of the team available. In the meantime, I've posted the pics that were already done at a freebie web host. Here's the link...

The first batch of Protector pics... (http://www.geocities.com/scott_heine_hero/)

Doctor Wraithe, aka "The Warlock," will be the next one up. The line art is done and inked; just need to scan and color. But don't hold your breath. I'm serious when I say mid-March is the earliest I hope for...

Now pardon me while I bury myself under my "in" box once again... :p

Thanks Scott. I am looking for Doctor Wraithe.


S.A. Veira

[nHammer]

Originally posted by Ghost Archer
Funny, I recently finished updating the Protectors to 5th Edition.

:D :D :D

[Dynamo]

OK, we've got a link to the pics. Let's see the 5E conversions, guys. Put your money where your mouth is. :)

[RDU Neil]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
Hi, guys. Yeah, I started to post updated images for the ol' team a bit before New Year's. I was hoping to have them all up and available by now. Unfortunately, I've been absolutely buried at work -- it's all a good thing, but it's leaving me very little free time. I'm hoping things will settle down a bit by the middle of March, and then I can get the rest of the team available. In the meantime, I've posted the pics that were already done at a freebie web host. Here's the link...

The first batch of Protector pics... (http://www.geocities.com/scott_heine_hero/)

Doctor Wraithe, aka "The Warlock," will be the next one up. The line art is done and inked; just need to scan and color. But don't hold your breath. I'm serious when I say mid-March is the earliest I hope for...

Now pardon me while I bury myself under my "in" box once again... :p

Great pictures, Scott. Thanks for posting.

To Serve & Protect was always one of the best module/supplements ever made.

Thanks again

[Dynamo]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
The first batch of Protector pics... (http://www.geocities.com/scott_heine_hero/)Just took a look to make sure I had them all, and it turns out there's one missing. Where's Coatlique?

[TechnoViking]

I have the Protectors 5th ed. conversions that Glenn Sprigg did on the old boards. Ogier300 was nice enough to send me his .hdc files. I converted the files to pdfs with the graphic as a watermark.

You can find them at
http://www.dbasinge.net/rpg/index.html

Mike

[Blue]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
Hi, guys. Yeah, I started to post updated images for the ol' team a bit before New Year's.
Don't recall the name of the guy in the battle-suit, but he must spend a fortune on nair and other hair removers. His legs are silky smooth!:D

[Acroyear]

Originally posted by Blue
Don't recall the name of the guy in the battle-suit, but he must spend a fortune on nair and other hair removers. His legs are silky smooth!:D

lol

I was thinking the same thing. I think that was supposed to be tan colored armor-y stuff....

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by Mike Basinger
I have the Protectors 5th ed. conversions that Glenn Sprigg did on the old boards. Ogier300 was nice enough to send me his .hdc files. I converted the files to pdfs with the graphic as a watermark.

You can find them at
http://www.dbasinge.net/rpg/index.html

Mike

Any chance we can share out those HDC's?

[Scott Heine]

Originally posted by Acroyear
I think that was supposed to be tan colored armor-y stuff....

Um... Nope. He's got silky smooth legs. :rolleyes:

Don't ask me what I was thinking when I first drew him. Heck, that was DECADES ago now. I think I was influenced by Cyborg of the new Teen Titans; at least, that's who he reminds me of now. I think if I had it to do all over again, there'd be less flesh showing, more of a "Borg-like" feel, and the skin that could be seen would be scarred and disfigured.

To be honest, I don't really remember the issue ever coming up until I reposted the pic on the old boards a couple of months ago. Then again, I seem to remember that Mandroid went around with street clothes covering his armor most of the time -- probably baggy jeans, a dark T-Shirt, maybe a worn leather jacket. The character I had in mind for TS&P had kind of a "The Thing" complex, in that he felt ugly and visually repulsive. But that only came up in the campaign a couple of times, usually when the character had to remove his faceplate for some reason (which he never did in front of his teammates, as I recall...)

For what it's worth, someone (who shall remain nameless) sent me an e-mail today after looking at the pictures, thanking me for including a gay hero in a Champions product. Hmm. I never thought of Mandroid as gay...

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Scott Heine

Hmm. I never thought of Mandroid as gay...
Heck, I thought he was downright depressed. :)

[Blue]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
Hmm. I never thought of Mandroid as gay... [/B]

That's damn funny!
Especially when you consider that the alternative seems to be wearing tights, which in the hero world is acceptable among hetero folk.

My drawings all look like girls anyway. Oh, wait... I only draw women :)

[death tribble]

I have the book, To Serve and Protect and I liked it.
The pic for Dr Wraithe was not that good but it was a good book and the pic of Coatlicue on the cover was good.

The hero team for my group was The Protectors and we had this before the book came out (Late 1984 we started).
And there was an Ace in our group as well. Didn't the player get snotty about that.

I like the new Ace look. Helios was good in the original drawing and the new version lives up to that. Renegade has not changed and his look is Classic anyway.

I have nothing to add on the Mandroid debate except that was not his original name.

[Blue]

Never did pick up the book though I recall looking through it a few times. Mostly I didn't get it becaue my game's primary team were already called the Protectors.

In case I didn't mention it (and looking back through my posts, I didn't), very nice artwork.

[TheEmerged]

By the time I finally saw a copy of S&P at a flea market, I had long since learned my lesson from the infamous "Yes, stupid me bought Eurpoean Enemies over Strike Force" incident and snapped it up quickly :D It's my favorite adventure module that I actually own...

[FlyBoy]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
Hmm. I never thought of Mandroid as gay...

I thought his name was Silverfist...

[TechnoViking]

Originally posted by MisterVimes
Any chance we can share out those HDC's?
Sorry, I lost my copy of the .hdc files in a hard drive crash a couple of weeks ago.

Mike

[Scott Heine]

Originally posted by FlyBoy
I thought his name was Silverfist...

Well, yeah, it was in the published book. It was always Mandroid in the campaign (well, until he became a giant robot named "Rampage," but that's a long story). Rob Bell made us change it to "Silverfist" for publication because of a copyright issue.

-- S --

[FlyBoy]

Originally posted by Scott Heine
Well, yeah, it was in the published book. It was always Mandroid in the campaign (well, until he became a giant robot named "Rampage," but that's a long story). Rob Bell made us change it to "Silverfist" for publication because of a copyright issue.


Is it because of the Marvel characters known as Mandroids? Because it would be odd of him to request such a change when he didn't ask you to change the name of Quasar (another Marvel character)...

[Scott Heine]

Originally posted by FlyBoy
Is it because of the Marvel characters known as Mandroids? Because it would be odd of him to request such a change when he didn't ask you to change the name of Quasar (another Marvel character)...

*shrug*

I don't know; it was a long time ago. I was a DC guy myself, but that sounds right. I know he mentioned a Marvel copyright. We also changed Tempest to Maelstrom (I like both names, so no big deal), and Warlock to Dr. Wraithe (which I never liked as much, mostly because we already had a "Doc" on the team). But we never talked about Quasar, either because (a) Quasar wasn't in use much at the time (I have no idea), or (b) he knew I'd never change it. Hey, it's one thing for me to tamper with the characters of other players for publication, but Quasar was my character! :p

[JohnOSpencer]

Well, I don't have the book, but the pictures are great and the characters are solid.

John Spencer

[Crimson Arrow]

Those name changes are really strange. At first, I thought it must be because "Mandroid" is an invented word, so it could be copyrighted, but "Quasar" is an astronomical phenomenon and could not be protected. However, that does not explain "Tempest" and "Warlock". I would have thought that the Marvel Quasar was at least as well known as Tempest (a member of the Shi'Ar Imperial Guard with electrical powers IIRC) or "Warlock" (hadn't he been dead for a while?). Sorry if I've gone wrong on dates/ facts for the Marvel characters. I am sure someone can (and will) correct me, if I've made a mistake.

I am not too familiar with The Protectors ("To Serve and Protect" came out when I didn't buy a lot of game product, except Marvel Superheroes:) ), but they look great and seem like a team.

[Blue]

Well, that's the thing with copyright issues. You can contact anyone with a copyright to seek permission; but if they turn you down you have to go along with it. Because by contacting them you've kind of conceded that there might be some similarity.

Or you can ignore their character and claim there's no similarity, in which case you risk litigation later on if they decided to be vindictive about your use of the name.

Or, you can do what they did, and play it safe. Change a few names and hope you escape notice on anything you missed.

[Starcorp Man]

Scott, do you have an actual website, I've done the whole Google search for you and always get bunk. I've been looking for other art by you, to use of course.

Was saddened when you updated Dr Wraithe/Warlock in Adventurers Club that you didn't do the picture.

[Scott Heine]

Originally posted by Starcorp Man
Scott, do you have an actual website...

No, I don't have a site up with artwork. Illustration was always more of a hobby than a career for me. Most of what I do now is in-house stuff for education, branding, etc. Though it's been fun doing a few pieces for the new Hero, and I look forward to doing more as my schedule allows... :)


Was saddened when you updated Dr Wraithe/Warlock in Adventurers Club that you didn't do the picture.

Yeah, I was, too. I did NOT care for those illustrations. What was really odd is that I was originally asked to illustrate the piece, and actually submitted pics with the article. I never was told why my pics were not used. Oh well... Those were the days of ICE, which is probably 'nuff said.

[Starcorp Man]

Craptastic, on both accounts. Pitty really.

[Enforcer84]

Originally posted by Crimson Arrow
Those name changes are really strange. At first, I thought it must be because "Mandroid" is an invented word, so it could be copyrighted, but "Quasar" is an astronomical phenomenon and could not be protected. However, that does not explain "Tempest" and "Warlock". I would have thought that the Marvel Quasar was at least as well known as Tempest (a member of the Shi'Ar Imperial Guard with electrical powers IIRC) or "Warlock" (hadn't he been dead for a while?). Sorry if I've gone wrong on dates/ facts for the Marvel characters. I am sure someone can (and will) correct me, if I've made a mistake.

I am not too familiar with The Protectors ("To Serve and Protect" came out when I didn't buy a lot of game product, except Marvel Superheroes:) ), but they look great and seem like a team.

yes, but this is Marvel Comics, the company that tried to copyright the term Nazi. :D It didn't fly.:cool:

[Starcorp Man]

Well Warlock is a real term, as well as Tempest so there shouldn't have been any problems as far as copyright.

Mandroid, well that's a problem.

[Jeff T.]

Once again, very nice of you to do this, Scott. Understood that you are busy, we'll wait. At least, I know I will. The art and characters are excellent.

[MCMaenza]

Scott, the link to the photos is long gone from Yahoo (teaches me to check out the boards two years too late...). Any chance there is some place else to view them? I always loved your artwork and To Serve and Protect is one of my favorite supplements. Thanks.

[Chimpira]

Scott, the link to the photos is long gone from Yahoo (teaches me to check out the boards two years too late...). Any chance there is some place else to view them? I always loved your artwork and To Serve and Protect is one of my favorite supplements. Thanks.

Second that. I missed it the first go around.

[Jeff T.]

I've got 'em saved on my hard drive (along with 2200+ other images/character pics of HERO art from the last 25 years) if anyone wants 'em. I believe I've got the updated villain art he did as well. Still waiting for Scott to post the other five protectors (hint, hint, hint). :)

[MCMaenza]

Jeff, I'd definitely like to see them if you can locate them. I'm in no rush though.

[Manictao]

I've got 'em saved on my hard drive (along with 2200+ other images/character pics of HERO art from the last 25 years) if anyone wants 'em. I believe I've got the updated villain art he did as well. Still waiting for Scott to post the other five protectors (hint, hint, hint). :)

If you could find them, I would certainly love to get them from you. S&P was one of my all time favorite adventures from Scott, and I'm starting a new group who've never played Champions/Hero before. This'll be a great kick off for them. Did someone do a revamp of the characters to update them to 5th ed. as well?

[Jeff T.]

I assume this is ok with Scott since he put them up here in the first place.

[Jeff T.]

...and the villain, Coatlique.

[MCMaenza]

Jeff, thanks for putting those up. Nice to see how the characters and Scott's art style has evolved over time.

[Manictao]

...and the villain, Coatlique.


Thanks Jeff, much appreciated!

[Lord Liaden]

Did someone do a revamp of the characters to update them to 5th ed. as well?

Absolutely. :yes: Just go here:

http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11804

[Scott Heine]

I assume this is ok with Scott since he put them up here in the first place...

Of course! I really should finish the set someday, eh? I sort of became overwhelmed and never completed the other characters. Shame on me! Maybe (and that's a big maybe) early 2006? (We're moving into a new facility in January, and my attention is pretty distracted with the details right now. Oh, and then there's Christmas, of course... ;) )

[Greywind]

Excuses, excuses... :p Good luck with the move.

[Enforcer84]

Of course! I really should finish the set someday, eh? I sort of became overwhelmed and never completed the other characters. Shame on me! Maybe (and that's a big maybe) early 2006? (We're moving into a new facility in January, and my attention is pretty distracted with the details right now. Oh, and then there's Christmas, of course... ;) )
Best wishes on the Move and Holidays for ye.

[BobGreenwade]

The first batch of Protector pics... (http://www.geocities.com/scott_heine_hero/)For some reason I get a "page not found" error on this. :(

[Enforcer84]

For some reason I get a "page not found" error on this. :(
We're hiding them from you. :eg:

[Lord Liaden]

For some reason I get a "page not found" error on this. :(

Scott originally posted that link almost three years ago. That page has likely gone the way of the dodo.

Look up this thread a few posts to Jeff T.'s contribution - he kindly Attached the illos. :hail:

[BobGreenwade]

Scott originally posted that link almost three years ago. That page has likely gone the way of the dodo.

Look up this thread a few posts to Jeff T.'s contribution - he kindly Attached the illos. :hail:Aha! Quite so. Thanks! :)

[Manictao]

Absolutely. :yes: Just go here:

http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11804


Many thanks!

[Kilted_Avenger]

Scott originally posted that link almost three years ago. That page has likely gone the way of the dodo.

Look up this thread a few posts to Jeff T.'s contribution - he kindly Attached the illos. :hail:

Are those illos still available by chance???? :D

[bubba smith]

when i clicked the link all i go was" the page you requested could not be found"

[Lord Liaden]

Are those illos still available by chance???? :D


Look up this thread a few posts to Jeff T.'s contribution - he kindly Attached the illos. :hail:

Posts #41 and 42, to be precise.

[Lord Liaden]

when i clicked the link all i go was" the page you requested could not be found"


Scott originally posted that link almost three years ago. That page has likely gone the way of the dodo.

Please see my post above this one.

[Kilted_Avenger]

Please see my post above this one.

Oh right...thanks! But I didn't see pics for Quasar, Maelstrom, or Marksman. Does anyone know where these might be found? THANKS again! :thumbup:

[Lord Liaden]

Well, I have colored versions of the original illos for Quasar, Maelstrom, Brainstorm, and Doctor Wraithe from To Serve And Protect as JPEG files, which I found a while back on a now-defunct website. I'm actually trying to contact Scott Heine for permission to repost them. If he agrees I'll put them up here.

[Scott Heine]

Sure. Okay by me.

[Kilted_Avenger]

Awesome!!! Thanks to Scott and Lord Liaden!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[AmadanNaBriona]

Sure. Okay by me.

Sweet! Thanks Scott!

To Serve & Protect was one of my favorites, back in the day.

[Lord Liaden]

Sure. Okay by me.

Thank you muchly, talented and generous sir. :hail:

Remember, the images Attached below supplement the ones on Posts #41 and 42 above on this thread. I apologise for not having the Huntsman for you.

[TheQuestionMan]

To Serve and Protect - The Protectors


Ace, Doc Sonic, Renegade, & Silverfist.


QM

[TheQuestionMan]

To Serve and Protect - The Protectors


Helios & Huntsman.


QM

[bubba smith]

helios is ther but not huntsman

[red_eagle123]

Allow me to assist by posting Huntsman

[bubba smith]

nice

[Scott Heine]

For what it's worth, some of the illos being posted here are merely ones that other people have scanned from To Serve and Protect and colored themselves (sometimes incorrectly -- Maelstrom and Quasar, in particular), and quality is pretty sketchy (Huntsman, for example).

[aylwin13]

For what it's worth, some of the illos being posted here are merely ones that other people have scanned from To Serve and Protect and colored themselves (sometimes incorrectly -- Maelstrom and Quasar, in particular), and quality is pretty sketchy (Huntsman, for example).
I know that the Huntsman is mine (colored pencils, by the way, I hadn't learned digital coloring yet). It didn't scan well, at all. I'm not sure about the other two that you mention. They might be mine. It's funny how many different interpretations can be derived from a verbal description.

If possible, maybe you could post your "proper" versions of those characters. Pretty please. :)

[Lord Liaden]

For what it's worth, some of the illos being posted here are merely ones that other people have scanned from To Serve and Protect and colored themselves (sometimes incorrectly -- Maelstrom and Quasar, in particular), and quality is pretty sketchy (Huntsman, for example).

Let's see the descriptions from To Serve and Protect:

Maelstrom: "For a uniform, Dr. Ford has chosen a dark purple outfit with large yellow inserts. His hair is a tussled silver, and he is usually draped in a purple cloak with yellow striping." Looking at the original illustration, I would guess that all the black parts ih the colored file should have been purple, and the purple lining of the cloak should be yellow too.

Quasar: "In battle, Quasar wears an ornate white uniform with starry black sleeves and leggings. The trimming on his boots and gloves is bright gold, as is his hair and glowing eyes. His wings are a soft white." Sounds pretty close to the colored version attached here.

BTW according to his textual description, Dr. Wraithe's tunic is supposed to be dark blue, but otherwise his color scheme matches. Brainstorm seems just about bang-on.

Huntsman does look "off" (no offense to aylwin 13), but IMO the others look pretty good, particularly Quasar.

[Cardinal]

I wonder if Scott's Avatar comes from Quasar... specifically the starry night vibe.

[Checkmate]

If you read the thread, Scott did say that Quasar was his character. My guess is that his avatar is Quasar's chest:

LL,
Are you really arguing with guy who created or played the game with the people who created the characters? :P

[Greywind]

Who's arguing? This is conversation.

[Lord Liaden]

I wonder if Scott's Avatar comes from Quasar... specifically the starry night vibe.


If you read the thread, Scott did say that Quasar was his character. My guess is that his avatar is Quasar's chest:

Scott's avatar certainly looks like the symbol from Quasar's uniform in TSAP. Pretty snazzy, too. :thumbup:


LL,
Are you really arguing with guy who created or played the game with the people who created the characters? :P

Not at all, and I apologise if I gave that impression. I was merely comparing the colored illos with the textual descriptions from the adventure. As I noted, some are very obvious departures (although they don't look bad for that IMHO); but one could excuse whatever the colorists' departure was for Quasar's costume, given the text.

[Checkmate]

Not at all, and I apologise if I gave that impression. I was merely comparing the colored illos with the textual descriptions from the adventure. As I noted, some are very obvious departures (although they don't look bad for that IMHO); but one could excuse whatever the colorists' departure was for Quasar's costume, given the text.
No I was just kidding, I used the quick post and didn't know the code for the :p smiley.

[Pól Ruadh]

Nice to see the new designs.
I always liked The Protectors, and kudos to Scott for his design sense. Some excellent costume designs there.
When I used him, I always had Silverfist wear pants to hide his cybernetic shame. Just my thing, I guess.

[Legatus]

One thing is for sure, the Protectors will always serve and protect my love for the Champions Universe. :king::celebrate:king: