Weapons and Martial Arts, p2

[SteveZilla]

I couldn't seem to reply or to quote from Steve's reply to my first post, so I did a copy & paste for my follow-up question.

> 1. The type of Maneuver doesn’t matter; the DCs add in
> the normal way at the normal rate.

My confusion comes from the fact that Killing Strike isn't worded as "STR +nD6 Strike" but simply as "HKA 1/2D6 (2DC)". In the case of a weapon used with the Killing Strike maneuver, you would add the maneuver's 2DCs (which would convert to adding 1 DC) to the weapon?

> 2. I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking here. A
> character using a weapon can increase its damage via
> STR, Martial Maneuvers, CSLs, velocity, and however many
> other methods he has available to him given the
> circumstances — subject, as always, to the rule about
> not more than doubling the base attack’s damage.

To make a simple question out of the mishmash that I gave on my first post: If using a Martial Maneuver with a weapon, does STR still add it's DCs like it would without the Martial Arts?

>What you may be asking is: can a character apply his STR
> to a Martial Maneuver to increase its damage, then add
> all that damage to his weapon, and then also add his STR
> to the weapon as well (meaning he effectively adds his
> STR to the weapon twice)? The answer to that is “no.”

Nonono, that's not what I was asking. :) I know that in no way would any character get to add their STR twice to any one attack.

> When a character applies a Martial Maneuver to a weapon,
> he just applies the Damage Classes added by the Maneuver,
> not Damage Classes + STR. If he wants to add his STR to the
> weapon attack, he does so separately using the standard
> rules for doing so.

I must have missed or misunderstood that rule. So for example, a character with Martial Strike (+2 DCs), a 20 STR, and using a 1D6 weapon with a STR min of 10 would do 2D6 in damage (1D6 weapon + (2DCs/2=1DC maneuver) + 2DCs STR)?

SteveZilla

[Steve Long]

I couldn't seem to reply or to quote from Steve's reply to my first post

As stated on the main message board page, this board is set up so only I can reply. That makes it easier for everyone to follow the Q&As; for discussion, we have the “Discussion” board. ;)


My confusion comes from the fact that Killing Strike isn't worded as "STR +nD6 Strike" but simply as "HKA 1/2D6 (2DC)". In the case of a weapon used with the Killing Strike maneuver, you would add the maneuver's 2DCs (which would convert to adding 1 DC) to the weapon?

OK, now I understand what you’re asking. If the Maneuver doesn’t add DCs to an attack — if it instead allows the character to do a different type of damage than Normal (e.g., Killing or NND) — it’s not going to add to weapon damage at all. Its function isn’t to add, but to differentiate. That’s why weapons-based styles — Arnis, Fencing, Gatka, Kenjutsu, and the like — don’t have Killing Damage-based maneuvers, and why their NND maneuvers (like the Atemi Strike in Naginatajutsu) are expressed as straight damage, not a bonus to the weapon like the other Maneuvers.


To make a simple question out of the mishmash that I gave on my first post: If using a Martial Maneuver with a weapon, does STR still add it's DCs like it would without the Martial Arts?

Yes, a character can add both STR and Martial Maneuver damage increases to a weapon, subject to the usual rule about not more than doubling the base damage of the weapon.


So for example, a character with Martial Strike (+2 DCs), a 20 STR, and using a 1D6 weapon with a STR min of 10 would do 2D6 in damage (1D6 weapon + (2DCs/2=1DC maneuver) + 2DCs STR)?

Yes. He gets +1 DC to his weapon from the 2 Martial Maneuver DCs, and +2 DCs from having +10 STR.