Fantasy Equipment 101

[lensman]

If your anything like me, you would like to drown th eplayers in options. I really never use to like ehat I call "shop-fu"
Players spending time buying / trading / upgrading equipment.
But I decided that my new run was going to pay attentioon to commerce, trade and economics.
The reason: never did it before and thought I would try it.

Yes, I know it adds nothing to role playing.
But it does add to suspension of disbelief, or more accurately it draws the players attention to detail.

So here is a list that I started, far from finished, so if anyone wants to jump in and share that is fine with me.

Excuse the formatting, I use excel for almost everything, a lot got lost in th etranslation to .txt

[Greenstar]

Yes, the formatting is pretty hosed, but the data looks very interesting and useful to me. Any way you could email me the Excel file? I could certainly leverage some of this for the FH campaign I'm working on right now!

[DarkGreen]

What are the cost units?

In most FH games I've played in the "gold piece" standard follows that DnD convention that the average peasant craftsman might earn 1 gp per days work. Since you have a months rent on an apartment listed as 300gp, I assume you are using a different standard?

In which case the armor and such should be more expensive. A suit of full plate would take a team of several smiths a year to make, so it should cost at least 12 times the full monthly support cost of a craftsman. IF the details are important and we assume magic hasn't totally changed the competitive landscape.

-DG

[CourtFool]

Two l's in llama! Hrmph!

[keithcurtis]

Looks pretty comprehensive. Feel free to mine my site for any ideas:

http://home.attbi.com/~TheGM/SE/appendix.html

Keith "Day late and a Gold piece short" Curtis

[DarkGreen]

Originally posted by CourtFool
Two l's in llama! Hrmph!

That isn't the price for llamas, it's the price for lamas!

Ptthhththtpt! :p

-DG

[Chris Goodwin]

Pay the rent, buy the camel? Pay the rent, buy the camel?

:D

[Chris Goodwin]

I notice that a camel costs 300 while a (l)lama costs 8000. Unless the camel is a racing camel, in which case it costs 45000! A draft camel is 14,000.

One night with a courtesan costs 1000 (1/8 of a llama) while one day with an officer (captain or major) costs 500.

A dueling pistol (60K) costs more than a large boat (55K; 3.5 ton capacity, 30' length) while a harquebus is 1150 and a cannon 1812.

A redheaded falcon at 20000 costs more than a pleasure slave at 7500.

Am I reading it right? A quality war horse costs 5, while a war horse (no quality) costs 3, and a riding horse costs 280? An untrained war horse is 2, while an unbroken riding horse is 175? A combat trained heavy strider horse (destrier, Clydesdale type) is 45000, while a horse, strider (not heavy), trained for combat, is 30000. A draft horse is 9000, a medium horse 7500, and a light horse 6000. A mule is 4700 while a donkey/mule/burro is 120 and a donkey is listed as 100.

I'm not picking on you, honest. This is just stuff I noticed.

[lensman]

Right,
I said it was a work in porogress.
Yes, the costs are wildly off.

I do want to change them and will use armor cost as a base line , once I enter it from FH 2 nd ed.

All this was kluged to gether from many sources and systems.

CourtFool: The pysch lim you must have:
Compelled to Correct others
Total, very Common
Must add that to Master List of Psychs.

Dark Green: Unit cost, because I am unning in Broken Kingdoms setting is based on the Calabrian Mark, silver I believe.

Greenstar: Wil send you, and anyone who requests it the Excel sheet

keithcurtis: Will look at ypour site and incorperate your items.
The List grows!

[CourtFool]

Originally posted by lensman
CourtFool: The pysch lim you must have:
Compelled to Correct others
Total, very Common


Compelled to Correct Others (Very Common, Total)
Situation is given before Intensity. :D

[mudpyr8]

If you really want to use D&D equipment, just go to http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html

The EQ is SRD and you can use it however (mostly) you want. If you have gamers that really only understand a D&D economy, this is probably the way to go. To make metric conversion easy, just divide by 2. With the heroic STR in Hero, that's good enough.

[lensman]

So here is a zip of above in excel format.
I
All I have done is removed all other pages other than the Master.

Give a holler if it works, or not, for you.

[Markdoc]

Some of these important issues were covered by gaming guru Ogden Nash who wrote

The one-l lama, he's a priest
the two-l llama, he's a beast
and I'll bet a silk pajama,
there isn't ANY three-l lllama!

As for armour:

>>>> In which case the armor and such should be more expensive. A suit of full plate would take a team of several smiths a year to make, so it should cost at least 12 times the full monthly support cost of a craftsman.<<<

Not true. The armoury at Graz (which you can still visit) turned out literally thousands of suits of full plate each year, and certainly did not employ thousands of armourers. A specialist armourer today, although he has better tools, can turn out a full suit of tailored plate in a month or so, including linings and straps, even using only hand tools - these guys couldn't stay in business, otherwise!

Having said that, full plate was expensive - Leopold of Bavaria is recorded as having paid over 20,000 dalers for a suit of armour or the equivalent of 55 years income for a townsman. Not all armour would be that expensive - but you can reckon that several to 10 years salary for an ordinary townsman (not a peasant) would be about right.

Remember that standard prices are an invention of the recent past though - history is replete with cases of people paying enough loot to buy a small palace for a dress or a racing horse.

cheers, Mark

[Agent Escafarc]

I've found I.C.E.'s ...and a 10-Foot Pole an excellent source for equipment prices.

[Toadmaster]

Originally posted by lensman

CourtFool: The pysch lim you must have:
Compelled to Correct others
Total, very Common
Must add that to Master List of Psychs.


That actually isn't a bad lim to add.

"Count Demoney"
"De MoNAY, De MoNAY"
"Don't Correct the King"

[Zoth]

I've found I.C.E.'s ...and a 10-Foot Pole an excellent source for equipment prices.
And looks like you can buy it here

http://store.ironcrown.com/detail.jsp?itemId=2022&category=2040 (store.ironcrown.com/detail.jsp?itemId=2022&category=2040)

Also coming out this month is D&D 3RD Arms and Equipment Guide

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/881590000 (www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/881590000)