HSG & HSEG Printed Books - when will they be available?

[Thanee]

HSG - HERO System Grimoire
HSEG - HERO System Equipment Guide

Any idea when (roughly) we can expect those in the HERO Store? :)

Bye
Thanee

[Steve Long]

As soon as we have some specific news, we'll post it here and mention it in the weekly news updates.

[Thanee]

Thank you!

Of course, I have been hoping that you would have at least a rough estimate by now (like "they are days|weeks|months away still") ... but ok. More patience it is. :)

Did I mention, that I am really looking forward to those two books! :D

Bye
Thanee

[Gary Ciaramella]

I asked the same question, requesting a guesstimate, last week... he ignored it. :P

[Steve Long]

I didn't ignore it, I somehow simply didn't see it.

[marc]

I am getting the feeling that there is more involved with not seeing the printed books than a printer log jam .. assuming so based on that if a book really needed to get out it would get out .. and weeks delay would be understood .. months delay smell of other underlying issues.. But that is just my view on it.

[Gary Ciaramella]

I am getting the feeling that there is more involved with not seeing the printed books than a printer log jam .. assuming so based on that if a book really needed to get out it would get out .. and weeks delay would be understood .. months delay smell of other underlying issues.. But that is just my view on it.

I concure.

[Thanee]

Well, I have no idea how long the printing process (incl. shipping and distribution) normally takes, but I would expect a month or two between having the print master done and having the actual books available.

Bye
Thanee

[Gary Ciaramella]

I didn't ignore it, I somehow simply didn't see it.

And yet, still no guesstimate.

[ghost-angel]

And yet, still no guesstimate.

Probably because he doesn't have one.

[Lord Liaden]

There may be business-related or legal reasons why Steve or Darren haven't made more details public. Both of them have posted to threads on this topic, so they're aware of the speculation, and I'm sure they would address it if they could, just out of self-interest. I worry that too much uninformed theorizing may get people worked up, to no benefit.

[Gary Ciaramella]

Probably because he doesn't have one.

A guess is a guess... don't require serious backing information. He should have an idea if it is weeks or months away. And if he doesnt want to do that, then he should say so... ignoring the question only irritates people (such as myself) and really, is it in his best interest to irritate his customers?

[Lord Liaden]

During Steve Long's Hero Games website chat of March 24 (currently transcribed in "Company Questions,") Steve referred to the circumstances behind the delay as "a whole perfect storm of nonsense that I'd just as soon not go into." Sounds like various things have occurred to cause this, which might be sensitive for Steve to expound on in public.

[Gary Ciaramella]

During Steve Long's Hero Games website chat of March 24 (currently transcribed in "Company Questions,") Steve referred to the circumstances behind the delay as "a whole perfect storm of nonsense that I'd just as soon not go into." Sounds like various things have occurred to cause this, which might be sensitive for Steve to expound on in public.

I am not asking for information in why there is a delay, I am not interested in the dirty laundry.

[ghost-angel]

A guess is a guess... don't require serious backing information. He should have an idea if it is weeks or months away. And if he doesnt want to do that, then he should say so... ignoring the question only irritates people (such as myself) and really, is it in his best interest to irritate his customers?

He's not ignoring anything - he has no information. What part of "When we have an update we'll give one" is so hard to understand?

[Gary Ciaramella]

He's not ignoring anything - he has no information. What part of "When we have an update we'll give one" is so hard to understand?

Yes, fine. The man is smart, I am sure he has an idea between weeks and months. But this going round and round is going nowhere.

[ghost-angel]

They're obviously deliberately withholding information they don't have just to annoy you.

[Gary Ciaramella]

They're obviously deliberately withholding information they don't have just to annoy you.

Do you not understand the concept of the guesstimate? And really, if he honestly does not know if it will be weeks, months, or years before those books are out... he can just say so. Then I will stop waiting for the book and move on to something else.

[ghost-angel]

Any time anyone ever guesstimates someone gets mad when the guess is wrong. So they're not guessing. It's not how they operate. That's not hard to understand.

Maybe it's time a Moderator just locks this thread.

[Gary Ciaramella]

Maybe it's time a Moderator just locks this thread.

No need, this conversation is over.

[marc]

I understand what your looking for Gary .. i also seek the same info ..

It is also quite clear that many that have replied here are blatantly deflecting the guesstimate question around and twisting it into so form of information dig. personally i understand that guesstimates are frequently incorrect i do not get mad if the information is incorrect. It would not be called guessing if the information was always correct.

stomping feet and asking for a thread to be closed is again just a deflection from the what i perceive as a very generalized question. I am also curious as a customer as to weeks months give us a shot from the hip answer.

Steven Long is very active with the community here. which i like very much.

However the lack of info on this particular topic has me concerned. In a way that i feel is deeper than an incorrect guesstimate. guesses are wrong quiet often. That is why they are called guesses.

My guess is that it has dealings in money issues. As do many things that feel like this.

My guess on a book would be the next book we see will be Star Hero at Gen Con .. as we made a sudden switch to Star Hero form another project .. and with the hopes that Star Hero will be a success at Gen Con generating a fix to some problems . Along with that i would like to add that as with many of my assessments i am likely 90% wrong. So maybe we could reverse homeopathicly concentrate my guess into something legitimate.

i just have my fingers crossed and my wallet ready for whatever boils up.

[Thanee]

Well, Star HERO has been announced as a GenCon release a loooong time ago already. :)

Of course, Star HERO is a big title, but I would also consider the two books we are talking about here to sell quite well, as they are very useful to a lot of HERO fans. :)

Bye
Thanee

[Hugh Neilson]

Any time anyone ever guesstimates someone gets mad when the guess is wrong. So they're not guessing. It's not how they operate. That's not hard to understand.

Exactly - if Steve says "3 months" and it's out in 3 weeks, or vice versa, we'll be back to this thread, or a sister thread, bemoaning his inaccuracy.

When they know for sure when the book will hit the shelves, I expect they will say so. What's the point of guessing?

Tell you what - Steve Long came to me in a dream, standing on a flaming pie, and said "The HSG and HSEG will be printed on the 25th of June".

There - that's just as useful as any blind guess from anyone else, so can we give it a rest for a month and a half to see if I am a Prophet of DoJ or I should lay off the spicy snacks before bed?

[BobGreenwade]

I know from personal experience that being asked the same question over and over, and saying "I don't know" every time only to have the question immediately asked again by the same person, is profoundly frustrating. And that's putting it mildly -- and diplomatically.

Put more bluntly than I'd really like: "What part of 'I don't know' do you have trouble understanding?"

Steve, Darren, and the rest are not giving a guesstimate because they don't have one. They have no idea. It could be tomorrow, it could be July, it could be next year. It's a matter of "your guess is as good as mine" -- literally.

I want these two particular books also, and the DOJ guys have plenty of cause to tell the responsible parties "Our customers are getting impatient for this." But I do understand when circumstances get this far out of someone's control.

They've already said that when they have the information on about how long it'll be, they'll let us know right away. They're not going to give us information they don't have.

[Lord Liaden]

It is also quite clear that many that have replied here are blatantly deflecting the guesstimate question around and twisting it into so form of information dig.

Sometimes, working out when something is going to happen requires working out how it's going to happen, and the "how" may require sensitive negotiations. I'm not definitely saying such issues are at play here, but the company's long reticence makes me suspect it. Which is why I've been trying to be patient and leaving them to settle the matter.

[Steve Long]

As you may've seen elsewhere on the boards from Jason's posts, the HSEG is now available for orders -- last I heard I believe the printer's shipping it to us today, or at the latest Monday -- so hopefully now that the first little bit of logjam has unjammed, other bits will soon follow. ;)

[Thanee]

Yay! :D

Now only waiting for the Grimoire to also hit the store to place my order.

Bye
Thanee

[Thanee]

Things continue as usual on other fronts. Darren’s still working hard on the printer logjam, and I think he’s hacked through enough of it that we’ll soon get The HERO System Grimoire off the presses, with other books to follow shortly.

Ahh... the light at the end of the tunnel... I can finally see it! :D

Bye
Thanee

[Thanee]

The HSG still hasn't arrived, right? Just wondering, since I cannot find it in the store (neither under in stock nor out of stock :)).

And since I waited to order both at the same time, it seems, the HSEG is already out of stock... but I guess it will get a reprint in time, so not really a problem (I'm more looking forward to the HSG, anyways :)).

Bye
Thanee

[rjcurrie]

The HSG still hasn't arrived, right? Just wondering, since I cannot find it in the store (neither under in stock nor out of stock :)).

And since I waited to order both at the same time, it seems, the HSEG is already out of stock... but I guess it will get a reprint in time, so not really a problem (I'm more looking forward to the HSG, anyways :)).

Bye
Thanee


The Hero System Grimoire was at Origins this past weekend. It's possible that some copies were shipped directly there while the rest were shipped to the warehouse in Nevada. And since Tina and Jason were at Origins, it's possible that they simply haven't been added to the store.

[dmjalund]

The Hero System Grimoire was at Origins this past weekend. It's possible that some copies were shipped directly there while the rest were shipped to the warehouse in Nevada.... to be studied by top men...

[Thanee]

The Hero System Grimoire was at Origins this past weekend. It's possible that some copies were shipped directly there while the rest were shipped to the warehouse in Nevada. And since Tina and Jason were at Origins, it's possible that they simply haven't been added to the store.

Ah, very good. Then it should appear in the store soon. Thank you! :)

Bye
Thanee

[Ryhope Wood]

I was hopeful that we would see HSG as it debuted at Origins but it is (a) still not listed in the Hero Store and (b) was not mentioned in Steve's weekly update at all.

I've waited too long for this one. I'm going to buy and print the PDF.

[Lord Liaden]

Steve Long did refer to this situation briefly during his online chat yesterday, which is transcribed here (http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php/86092-July-7-2011-Hero-Chat-archive). Let me quote the relevant passage below:


Our new release for the show was THE HERO SYSTEM GRIMOIRE, which we had a few of specially printed up for the con. We sent the remainder on to GenCon and should be getting the full shipment into the warehouses at some point soon; I'm not sure on the exact scheduling of that.

[Thanee]

From elsewhere...


Indeed, the hard copies are on the way to the warehouse now. Watch for actual announcements as soon as I have hard dates. dw

Yay! :D


Given my luck, I will probably miss the 23 minute window when they appear in the online store before they are sold out. :lol:

Anyways, looking forward to it.


Speaking of which... any idea when the HSEG will be back in store? :)

Bye
Thanee

[Hierax]

They are both now available!

[Thanee]

Thank you! :)

Bye
Thanee

[Hierax]

The printed version of the HSEG isn't showing up in the store anymore :(