Endurance Reserve...

[GradonSilverton]

I think in getting a bug on this one....

Endurance Reserve (200 END, 20 REC)
40 Active Points
OIF (Batteries) -1/2

Cost should equal 27....
But I'm getting 33 in HD...

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right"><b>Cost&#160;&#160;</b></td><td><b>Power</b></td><td align="right"><b>END</b></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">33&#160;&#160;</td><td>Endurance Reserve (200 END, 20 REC) Reserve: (40 Active Points); OIF (-1/2)&#160;</td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table><b>Powers Cost:</b> 33

Something I'm missing here or is this a "in next update" thing?

[Simon]

You need to apply Modifiers to both the Reserve and the REC.

There are some moderately complex rules in place regarding rounding and calculations when the Modifiers are the same vs. when they're distinct, but you really don't need to worry too much about that....HD will take care of it for you.

From the example that you posted, it looks like you applied OIF to the Reserve only (not to the REC)

[GradonSilverton]

Originally posted by dsimon
You need to apply Modifiers to both the Reserve and the REC.

There are some moderately complex rules in place regarding rounding and calculations when the Modifiers are the same vs. when they're distinct, but you really don't need to worry too much about that....HD will take care of it for you.

From the example that you posted, it looks like you applied OIF to the Reserve only (not to the REC)

Im it matters, I took the power straight out of FRED p. 103 when the one I was working on wasnt coming out right so I wanted a example.

I made the change and now have this...

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right"><b>Cost&#160;&#160;</b></td><td><b>Power</b></td><td align="right"><b>END</b></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">27&#160;&#160;</td><td>Endurance Reserve (200 END, 20 REC) (40 Active Points); OIF (-1/2)&#160;</td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table><b>Powers Cost:</b> 27

Which is right....

But I'm still confised...per the example.

[Simon]

I'm not sure how else to explain it....the Reserve and the REC can have different Modifiers placed on them....you can put a Modifier on the REC of "Only Recovers in Sunlight" if you wish (for example).

This requires that you specify the Modifiers for the Reserve and the REC individually.

Which it seems you have done.

If you can explain where you're confused, it might help....

[GradonSilverton]

Originally posted by dsimon
I'm not sure how else to explain it....the Reserve and the REC can have different Modifiers placed on them....you can put a Modifier on the REC of "Only Recovers in Sunlight" if you wish (for example).

This requires that you specify the Modifiers for the Reserve and the REC individually.

Which it seems you have done.

If you can explain where you're confused, it might help....

Hhmm...I think my confusion lies in how the power is built in HD.... when I select Endurance Reserve there are 2 fields...1 for the END and 1 for the Recovery (via a edit button).... I then applied the OIF to the Empty box below....

Using the Real Cost = Active Cost/(1+Limiters) that should mean 26.6=40/(1+1/2).

What I have to do to get the power right is apply the -1/2 twice....1st to the Main Power...and 2nd to the Recover..... I think my complaint is how it has to be done in HD..... shouldn't the -1/2 applied to the power (Endurenace Reserve) be sufficient enough to get the correct cost.....

I thank you for the reply in helping me get it correct, but my concern is how HD requires it to be done is different than what FRED wants you to do...

[Simon]

HD does things the way it does because Modifiers that are applied to the Reserve do not necessarily apply to the REC and vice versa. This is a requirement of the rules.

If I apply, say, "Only Recovers in Sunlight", that Modifier should only affect the cost of the REC, not the cost of the Reserve.

It's basically halfway to being 2 separate Powers.

They join back together into a single Power if you apply the SAME Modifiers to both the Reserve and the REC...HD recognizes this and totals everything together before making the Modifier calculations.

This is all done in order to accomodate the rules of the system and allow Endurance Reserve to function the way it needs to.

It'll probably help you understand if you think of the Reserve and the REC as two distinct Powers.....

[GradonSilverton]

Originally posted by dsimon
HD does things the way it does because Modifiers that are applied to the Reserve do not necessarily apply to the REC and vice versa. This is a requirement of the rules.

If I apply, say, "Only Recovers in Sunlight", that Modifier should only affect the cost of the REC, not the cost of the Reserve.

It's basically halfway to being 2 separate Powers.

They join back together into a single Power if you apply the SAME Modifiers to both the Reserve and the REC...HD recognizes this and totals everything together before making the Modifier calculations.

This is all done in order to accomodate the rules of the system and allow Endurance Reserve to function the way it needs to.

It'll probably help you understand if you think of the Reserve and the REC as two distinct Powers.....

I'm with ya... Thanks for the help.