The Giant Force projecter brawl

[JmOz]

Out in space they all meet in an astroid field, who would win (Any who can not survive have indestructable space suits on)

[JmOz]

Okay this was originaly going to be a Kyle vs Hal thread but decided to throw in some other choises as well

[Vondy]

Dr. Strange

[Agent X]

Hal Jordan Rocks! Alan Scott does too but I give it to Hal.

Dr. Strange isn't just a force projector but I'd have a hard time voting for anybody to beat him in a poll.:)

[Vondy]

Originally posted by Agent X

Dr. Strange isn't just a force projector but I'd have a hard time voting for anybody to beat him in a poll.:)

The operative word being "<i><b>just</i></b>"

[Agent X]

Originally posted by D-Man
The operative word being "<i><b>just</i></b>" Well, you and I will have to disagree on what the spirit of the poll is.;) :p

[Agent X]

Why in the world are people voting for this Kyle whatsisname guy?

[JmOz]

The spirit was for characters similar to Green Lantern, thus the setting and the bit about the space suits.

[JmOz]

Originally posted by Agent X
Why in the world are people voting for this Kyle whatsisname guy?

Umm you will note he is winning right now

Maybe because he is extremly more powerful than Hal, has more finesse than Hal, more imagination than Hal, and put bluntly is more interesting than Hal.

[Vondy]

Actually - if it were a matter of personality I'd vote for Guy Gardener. He cracked me up when he was in the JLA.

I'm tempted to vote for the silver surfer...

[Vondy]

Originally posted by Agent X
Well, you and I will have to disagree on what the spirit of the poll is.;) :p

"<i><b>spirit</i></b>" being the operative word...:D

dagnabit, my html wasn't well formed!

[Agent X]

Originally posted by JmOz
Umm you will note he is winning right now

Maybe because he is extremly more powerful than Hal, has more finesse than Hal, more imagination than Hal, and put bluntly is more interesting than Hal. More powerful doesn't make you more heroic. More finesse? More imagination might have more to do with an artistic revolution happening about the same time that DC thought it was time to defecate on one of their icons. More interesting is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

[Agent Escafarc]

I vote for Kilowog if all else fails he would hit them with a big wrench:D

[Vondy]

Originally posted by Agent X
More powerful doesn't make you more heroic. More finesse? More imagination might have more to do with an artistic revolution happening about the same time that DC thought it was time to defecate on one of their icons. More interesting is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

Hell, if we're going with more <i>interesting</i> I <b>WILL</b> vote for Guy Gardener.

As an aside - Gardener held in the power of a sun that was going supernova (and freaked out about it: "you want me to do what?!) because one of the other JLA member convinced him he could (I think it was WW).

He's got some stones.

[Agent X]

Originally posted by D-Man
Hell, if we're going with more <i>interesting</i> I <b>WILL</b> vote for Guy Gardener.

As an aside - Gardener held in the power of a sun that was going supernova (and freaked out about it: "you want me to do what?!) because one of the other JLA member convinced him he could (I think it was WW).

He's got some stones. Well, if it's just based on the most interesting I would have to agree with you there.

[Bartman]

Originally posted by Agent X
Why in the world are people voting for this Kyle whatsisname guy?
He has a suped up ultra-mega-hyper-ring with more power than any previous GL. And it has all the limitations of the previous rings removed. Frankly I'm not very fond of the character. I can think of a half dozen GLs I find more interesting. But he should be able to win a battle against any of the others.

[Pattern Ghost]

I voted "other" for Silver Surfer.

[Vondy]

Originally posted by Bartman
He has a suped up ultra-mega-hyper-ring with more power than any previous GL. And it has all the limitations of the previous rings removed. Frankly I'm not very fond of the character. I can think of a half dozen GLs I find more interesting. But he should be able to win a battle against any of the others.

Sounds like a continuity issue. When Gardner had the ring its power was limited only by the will of its user.

Sounds like DC has been dicking with their own baseline again.

Agitating. Its why I pretty much stopped reading comics.

[Jeff T.]

Molecule Man

[JmOz]

Originally posted by D-Man
Sounds like a continuity issue. When Gardner had the ring its power was limited only by the will of its user.

Sounds like DC has been dicking with their own baseline again.

Agitating. Its why I pretty much stopped reading comics.

Actualy when Guy had the Green Ring it was still limited by the color Yellow

When he had the Yellow ring he had to get into fights with real GL's to recharge it

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Bartman
He has a suped up ultra-mega-hyper-ring with more power than any previous GL. And it has all the limitations of the previous rings removed. Frankly I'm not very fond of the character. I can think of a half dozen GLs I find more interesting. But he should be able to win a battle against any of the others. I'm not at all fond of the character.

[Bartman]

Originally posted by D-Man
Sounds like a continuity issue. When Gardner had the ring its power was limited only by the will of its user.

Sounds like DC has been dicking with their own baseline again. Shocking ain't it? ;)
Obviously DC decided they needed to make Kyle 'kewl.' And they decided this is how they would do it. I agree with removing the 'yellow' limitation, I always thought that was contrived. But yeah they did go overboard on the making Kyle the 'greatest GL ever' stuff.

[Bartman]

Originally posted by Agent X
I'm not at all fond of the character.
Well if he were just one of many I'm not sure I would mind him. His interactions with Guy, John and Hal could be interesting. As the only GL, and the 'kewlest' one at that, I find him highly annoying.

[JmOz]

I personaly would have liked to see Hal step down and Kyle become the main GL, instead of the abuse they gave Hal.

Perhaps Hal joined the Honor Guard, or even better in a last titanic battle vs Sinestro (who else?) he uses every bit of his will power to entrap Sinestro for all time in an energy bubble that he can not break out of, but do to the amount of Will it took, If Hal ever put on a ring again the bubble would shatter releasing the Arch Villain. Hal Excepts retirement, Marries Carol, lives happily ever after, with occasional appearences in Kyle's book...

[Agent X]

All Hal needed, like many other characters, is a good writer. Scrapping the character to bring in the young guy just smacks of cheap gimmick.

"Hey, if you like Friends we're sure you'll like the new Green Lantern. He's kewl, he's sarcastic, and most of all, he's twentyish!"

[JmOz]

I respectfully disagree,

While I do agree a good writer would have helped, there comes a point where the characters history causes more problems.

See you could not change his personality, but his personality was to True Blue Hero. However as I said earlier the way they handed the torch was just wrong on so many levels and Hal should have got more respect on his way out.

Then again at the time DC liked doing this to characters (Superman, Green Arrow, Batman, and Wonder Woman all got the same treatment in a two year period)

[Agent X]

Originally posted by JmOz
I respectfully disagree,

While I do agree a good writer would have helped, there comes a point where the characters history causes more problems.

See you could not change his personality, but his personality was to True Blue Hero. However as I said earlier the way they handed the torch was just wrong on so many levels and Hal should have got more respect on his way out.

Then again at the time DC liked doing this to characters (Superman, Green Arrow, Batman, and Wonder Woman all got the same treatment in a two year period) I don't know how you can be too True Blue Hero. I would rather read a story about Hal Jordan than a stock young adult hero guy that has become all too common and not just in comics. How many times do we have to see actors who obviously aren't old enough to be doctors portraying doctors?

At least in the old days they used sidekicks. Now, they think teenagers and early twenties heroes crammed full of angst are the way to go. Or at least it seemed that way for a while.

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by Agent X
At least in the old days they used sidekicks. Now, they think teenagers and early twenties heroes crammed full of angst are the way to go. Or at least it seemed that way for a while.

I really hate that they don't still don't really use sidekicks anymore(or that they are getting away from other bits of the genre like masks,flashy costumes,codenames and secret IDs but thats another rant). Everytime I hear someone use the child welfare/endangering a minor bit, I want to say "Dude! it's a comic book it doesn't have to be realistic. In real life the Government wouldn't let any of these clowns run loose spandex or not.":rolleyes:

[Lord Mhoram]

Originally posted by JmOz
I personaly would have liked to see Hal step down and Kyle become the main GL, instead of the abuse they gave Hal.



After all the screwing they gave Hal, there was a 6 issue story arc of the classic Hal coming to the future, and spending time with Kyle. At one point they fight the "evil Hal" whatever his name was. At the end of it, Hal basically said, you're doing a good job kid, keep it up, and gave him a duplicate of his ring- the classic not vs yellow ring, which apparently can copy itself.

Then we had the Ion storyline where Kyle ended up absorbing every last erg of GL energy in the universe, and became a god. He got rid of it recreating the Classic power battery. And in the last year or so, he has been going through space, finding old GLs to give a copy of Hal's old ring to - recreating the Green Lantern Corps.

Sometimes Kyle is annoying, but it wasn't the character's fault how he got the title of GL (I hated what they did with Hal), but at least they have the character have respect for the traditions of who he is. So I personally don't mind him.

And I think he would win the fight. :D

You know I was having a discussion with the wife about who has had thier lives screwed over most by the writers- the leading two being Cyclops and Lightning Lad. Hal is up there too.

[JmOz]

So you and your wife are utterly not familiar with Hawkman?

I agree with most of what you said on GL BTW, and I have the 6 issues where Hal comes to the Future

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by Lord Mhoram

You know I was having a discussion with the wife about who has had thier lives screwed over most by the writers- the leading two being Cyclops and Lightning Lad. Hal is up there too.
Did you happen catch this week Legion book?

[JmOz]

I did...

Elemental Lad was a crime, new robotic cadet seems like a real break out character

[Agent Escafarc]

Originally posted by JmOz
I did...

Elemental Lad was a crime, new robotic cadet seems like a real break out character
Yeah I agree on both. I 've always enjoyed the Acadamy stories in past incarnations of the Legion so I'm looking forward to seeing more of this group.

[Lord Mhoram]

Originally posted by JmOz
So you and your wife are utterly not familiar with Hawkman?



Just what we have seen of him in the JSA or JLA over the years. Never been a favorite character. But the recent "as long as you don't get together you won't die" twist was pretty mean.

[Lord Mhoram]

Originally posted by Agent Escafarc
Did you happen catch this week Legion book?

That was actually what started that discussion. And having Mekt seem to go Multiple Personality disorder..... and Garth coming back. Hoo boy. This could be interesting.

[Lord Mhoram]

Originally posted by Agent Escafarc
Yeah I agree on both. I 've always enjoyed the Acadamy stories in past incarnations of the Legion so I'm looking forward to seeing more of this group.

Me too. Bouncing boy/Chuck was always my second favorite legionaire (after Val). So far I've been impressed with the new Legion title.

And I don't consider what happened to Element Lad up there with LL or Cyc. That was pretty much a one storyline event... the other two it is just one thing after another after another.

[JmOz]

Originally posted by Lord Mhoram
Just what we have seen of him in the JSA or JLA over the years. Never been a favorite character. But the recent "as long as you don't get together you won't die" twist was pretty mean.

Trust me, he has been throughly screwed over

Current series is wonderful however

[Rage]

Originally posted by D-Man
Dr. Strange

Phoenix

[cubist]

Silver Surfer, just beacuse not only does he have hella power, but he thinks at lightspeed-like rates, giving him advantage over even such powerful beings as Phoenix.

[assault]

Originally posted by Bartman
Well if he were just one of many I'm not sure I would mind him. His interactions with Guy, John and Hal could be interesting. As the only GL, and the 'kewlest' one at that, I find him highly annoying.

Well, at least John Stewart's still about in JLA...

I voted for Hal, but I kind of wished I'd voted for Alan Scott. Come to think of it, there isn't a lot of wood in space, so, given the way the situation was posed, he might be in with a chance.

[phydaux]

I've always been a Marvel guy, so I'll give a shout out to my favorite Power Projector of all time, Iron Man.

Sure, he also falls in the flying brick slot, but I've always seen him as a power projector first and formost.

Hal would kick his ass, though, as well as everyone else on the list. John Stewart would give him the most trouble, but Hal would beat him, too.

Guy would be tough, but Hal has cleaned his clock too many times before. Hal would do it again. Guy even knows this. That's why he hates Hal so much.

Then Doctor Strange would pimp slap them all while remaining Invisible and Intangible.

Molocule Man is powerful enough that he could even take out Doctor Strange, but he isn't sly/sneeky/clever enough to make it happen.

And Pheonix it too loaded down with Psyk Lims to fight that many people and not suddenly stop on the verge of total victory, then heal all her opponents and consume herself with her own powers so as to not accidentaly kill again.

[phydaux]

The way I see it all happening, Hal, John and Guy would circle the astroid field, pacing themselves and deflecting attacks while getting closer and closer to each other. All the others would get caught up in a grand melee and knock each other out of the running.

Hal and John would see each other out of the corner of their eyes, and with out either a wink or a nod, both turn on Guy. They would knock him out, take his ring and encase him in a Force Bubble for his own protection. All the other would get the same treatment. John and Hal would give all the rings and other foci to G'Nort. After all, no one would have the heart to actually attack G'Nort. They would have G'Nort make sure everyone got home OK.

Once they were sure everyone else was out of the combat and safe, then the real battle could begin.

And Hal would be the winner, but it would be a 15-round split decition.

[McCoy]

Originally posted by Agent Escafarc
I vote for Kilowog if all else fails he would hit them with a big wrench:D
Kilowog, greatest Green Lantern of all. Has the advantage of being a brick as well as a Green Lantern. Could use the ring's full energy (except for some flight) defensively, and punch the others out.

[winterhawk]

I'm going to go with Silver Surfer on this one, based on "Galactus' heralds are given a fraction of his infinite power."

[Agent X]

When did Phoenix and Silver Surfer become Force Projectors?

[Rage]

Originally posted by Agent X
When did Phoenix and Silver Surfer become Force Projectors?

Well Phoenix can do a little thing called telekinesis, which is force projection... of a form.

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Rage
Well Phoenix can do a little thing called telekinesis, which is force projection... of a form. Force Projection is basically Force Walls and Telekinesis with the Physical Manifestation limitation. Phoenix certainly can do both but her sfx don't really match up with Force Projection. This is why I didn't vote other and go with Dr. Strange. Dr. Strange can do anything a Force Projector can do but he's actually much too versatile to actually be simply a force projector.

[Tim]

I went for the origonal; Alan Scott.

As for the Phoenix. As Jean Gray or Marvel Girl, all she had was decent TK and a little telepathy. As the Pheonix, she was an unstoppable cosmic entity that could destroy a planet.

[McCoy]

Originally posted by Agent X
When did Phoenix and Silver Surfer become Force Projectors?
Uncanny X-Men #101 and Fantastic Four # 48, respectively. :D

[megaplayboy]

Susan Storm Richards...DUH!:D

Invisible force projection...

[McCoy]

Originally posted by Tim
I went for the origonal; Alan Scott.

As for the Phoenix. As Jean Gray or Marvel Girl, all she had was decent TK and a little telepathy. As the Pheonix, she was an unstoppable cosmic entity that could destroy a planet.
Actually, the planet was destroyed as a side effect of her destroying a star.

[Tim]

Originally posted by McCoy
Actually, the planet was destroyed as a side effect of her destroying a star.

Well it has been fifteen years since I read that issue. :)

[proditor]

I went with Alan Scott.
To quote him from a recent(ish) issue of JSA...
"I wrote the book on Willpower."

Plus, I honestly loathe Hal Jordan.