The Imagineer-third attempt (Ben, please delete the others)

**John515** · Mar 4th, '04, 04:16 PM

One more time!!!!

**lemming** · Mar 4th, '04, 04:24 PM

Cut and Paste is the way to post them.
IMAGINEER

Player: John C. Kohn

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Char   </td><td>Cost</td></tr><tr><td align="right">20  </td><td>STR</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td align="right">29  </td><td>DEX</td><td>57</td></tr><tr><td align="right">23  </td><td>CON</td><td>26</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>BODY</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>INT</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td align="right">18  </td><td>EGO</td><td>16</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>PRE</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">14  </td><td>COM</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>PD</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">13  </td><td>ED</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td align="right">6  </td><td>SPD</td><td>21</td></tr><tr><td align="right">10  </td><td>REC</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td align="right">40  </td><td>END</td><td>-3</td></tr><tr><td align="right">35  </td><td>STUN</td><td>0</td></tr><td></td><td> </td><td></td></tr><tr><td align="right">6"  </td><td>RUN</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">2"  </td><td>SWIM</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align="right">4"  </td><td>LEAP</td><td>0</td></tr></table>Characteristics Cost: 148

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Power</td><td align="right">END</td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">140  </td><td>Imagination Pool: VPP, 70 base + 70 control cost, Powers Can Be Changed As A Zero-Phase Action (+1) (140 Active Points) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">14  </td><td>Armored Costume and Longcoat: Armor (7 PD / 7 ED) (21 Active Points); OIF (-1/2) (added to Primary Value) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">2  </td><td>Really Cool Shades: Flash Defense (5 points) (Sight Group) (5 Active Points); OAF (-1) </td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>Powers Cost: 156

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Martial Arts Maneuver</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Fast Strike: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, +0 DCV, STR +2d6 Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">5  </td><td>Kick: 1/2 Phase, -2 OCV, +1 DCV, STR +4d6 Strike </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Legsweep: 1/2 Phase, +2 OCV, -1 DCV, STR +1d6 Strike, Target Falls </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">4  </td><td>Martial Dodge: 1/2 Phase, -- OCV, +5 DCV, Dodge, Affects All Attacks, Abort </td></tr></table>Martial Arts Cost: 16

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Cost  </td><td>Skill</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Acrobatics 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Breakfall 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Sleight Of Hand 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Stealth 15- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">3  </td><td>Scholar </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">9  </td><td>1) KS: Superpowers (INT-based) (10 Active Points) 20- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>2) KS: Superheroes (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>3) KS: Supervillians (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>4) KS: The Superhuman World (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 13- </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">2  </td><td>5) KS: Alien Races (INT-based) (3 Active Points) 13- </td></tr></table>Skills Cost: 32

Total Character Cost: 352

<table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td align="right">Val  </td><td>Disadvantages</td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Social Limitation: Secret ID, Frequently (11-), Major </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Code Of The Hero, Very Common, Strong [Notes: Fights Fairly, Treats others w/respect (esp. women/authority figures), always keeps promises, attempts to fulfill requests for help] </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Code Versus Killing, Common, Total </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Novice Hero, Very Common, Strong </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">15  </td><td>Psychological Limitation: Overconfident, Very Common, Moderate </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Hunted: Gli-Ta-Kil, More Powerful, 11- (Frequently), Harshly Punish </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Dependent NPC: Mom and Dad, Normal, 8- (Infrequently), Unaware of character's adventuring career/Secret ID, Group DNPC (x2 DNPCs) </td></tr><tr><td valign="top" align="right">20  </td><td>Dependent NPC: Nosy Old Ms. McCreedy, Landlord, Incompetent (-20 points or lower), 8- (Infrequently), Unaware of character's adventuring career/Secret ID </td></tr></table>
Disadvantage Points: 150

Base Points: 200
Experience Required: 2
Total Experience Available: 13
Experience Unspent: 11

**John515** · Mar 4th, '04, 04:37 PM

thanks! there's a whole bunch of background stuff too that didn't come up. how do i post that?

**Zed-F** · Mar 5th, '04, 03:51 AM

Well, you have a big honking VPP, which you seem to intend to use in combat since you took a zero-phase advantage on it, but you have no power skill, so you can't change it in combat...

For 10 more points you could get a 60-point VPP with zero phase and no control roll; alternatively you could just drop it to 60 points and use the 20 leftover points to buy a control skill, or change to a 60-point VPP with no control skill and a 1/2 phase to change slots.

**Argus** · Mar 5th, '04, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Zed-F
Well, you have a big honking VPP, which you seem to intend to use in combat since you took a zero-phase advantage on it, but you have no power skill, so you can't change it in combat...

For 10 more points you could get a 60-point VPP with zero phase and no control roll; alternatively you could just drop it to 60 points and use the 20 leftover points to buy a control skill, or change to a 60-point VPP with no control skill and a 1/2 phase to change slots.

He is using the PowerSkill 20- for the control skill. (10 points

**Kristopher** · Mar 5th, '04, 01:45 PM

I didn't see it on the Skills list.

Wait, you're refering to the Knowledge Skill. OK.

**Zed-F** · Mar 5th, '04, 05:57 PM

Ah - I didn't see any indication that that was supposed to be the power skill on the writeup, but if you say so....

I don't think you are supposed to use a KS as a power skill. A power skill is supposed to be a 3/2 skill, not a 2/1 skill. That's just a matter of adjusting the roll to reflect the proper points cost, however, though the roll might wind up being a bit low.

**Argus** · Mar 6th, '04, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by Zed-F
Ah - I didn't see any indication that that was supposed to be the power skill on the writeup, but if you say so....

I don't think you are supposed to use a KS as a power skill. A power skill is supposed to be a 3/2 skill, not a 2/1 skill. That's just a matter of adjusting the roll to reflect the proper points cost, however, though the roll might wind up being a bit low.

If you buy a KS - Int based it becomes a 3/2 skill.
I know that Scholar takes 1 point off the top, but does it really matter?

A.

**Zed-F** · Mar 6th, '04, 05:33 AM

If you buy a KS as int-based, it becomes a 3/1 skill, not a 3/2 skill. Certainly you can't buy a 3/2 skill that starts at a base of 13- and buy it up to 20- with only 9 character points.

**Ranxerox** · Mar 6th, '04, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Zed-F
If you buy a KS as int-based, it becomes a 3/1 skill, not a 3/2 skill. Certainly you can't buy a 3/2 skill that starts at a base of 13- and buy it up to 20- with only 9 character points.

Agreed.

Otherwise people would just buy scholar and then buy all of their other skills as knowledge skills - i.e. KS:Stealth, KS:Shadowing, KS:Combat Piloting, etc. Knowledge skills just allow your character to know things. They don't let your character do things.

**Kristopher** · Mar 6th, '04, 07:08 AM

While I admire the attempt to save points, using the KS is going to draw a lot of objections. As you have seen.

**Ndreare** · Mar 6th, '04, 10:15 AM

You are allowed however for a +1/4 advantage to use a Background skill (like KS) instead of a "Power" skill for powers and control.

**Argus** · Mar 6th, '04, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Zed-F
If you buy a KS as int-based, it becomes a 3/1 skill, not a 3/2 skill. Certainly you can't buy a 3/2 skill that starts at a base of 13- and buy it up to 20- with only 9 character points.

My mistake, I must be remembering something else. Maybe I'm thinking V4.

A.

**John515** · Mar 7th, '04, 10:32 AM

A character can base a KS on INT for 3 charater points, giving a base (9+(INT/5)) roll. Each +1 to the skill roll costs +1 character point.
- HERO 5th Edition

HERO Designer calculated everything correctly.