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How about calling us what we are? In my case, I'm an Okahumpka Seminole. For that matter, I don't really have a problem with being called an Indian.Originally Posted by Doug McCrae
Or if you must refer to us by an overarching name, how about "aboriginal americans"? Its more accurate than "native", after all. (A native people is a people that arose in a particular location and is still in that location. We did not arise in this location... we arrived from Asia.)
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It's a racial category. Look at a census form.
You'll find four basic divisions exist:
Caucasian, African, Native American, Asian
Under these come some sub-groupings, such as Pacific Islanders.
Those four basic groups signal 4 of the 5 major migratory groups in human history. The fifth is the natives of Australia - the first people to leave Africa. DNA evidence shows the other three who left Africa all did it at the same time - moving to Central Asia. From there, at about the same time they split off and went to Asia, the America, and Europe.
Thus you have the indiginous groups of each of these regions having been there for about the same amount of time - evidence points to about 40k years ago as the split and the rough time when human first came into the Americas and Europe (I believe displacing an earlier likely now extinct line in Europe's case - I don't have the text anymore, so I don't recall the date on the Cro-magnons, we have managed to prove that Neandertals are not in our DNA though).
The so called races may not be a valid genetic distinction, but they are a valid historical and cultural distinction.
If you can't deal with it, get out of the modern world.
As for calling everyone by their individual historic-nationalities and not their 'race', I don't bother figuring out if the whites I meet are French, Anglo, Italian, Russian, Greek, Irish, Hebrew, Arab, or whatever... Once they're Americans that's what I care about. But I cannot help but notice they are white - it's as plain as the noses on their faces.
And that whiteness sets them aside for privilages in America the rest of us don't get... Statistics on who gets bank loans, jobs, fraternal membership, elected office, corporate upper management, prison, and so on prove that. We may not like it, even the whites may not like it, but it exists.
As far as aboriginal americans - I imagine there's very few of those... I don't find too many immigrate here from Australia. Look the word up - it refers to a specific group of people and is incorrect when used in any other manner. It's as incorrect as it would be for me to call a French Man in France a 'Commanche European'. It simply makes no rational sense.
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I think you should speak for yourself and not try to address the situations that the rest of us have encountered. My entire life I've had the same opportunity to improve my situation as my caucasian neighbors. I haven't availed myself to all of them, but that's my fault, not theirs.
You see, this is the modern world, where you're only limited by how hard you work for what you want.
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Sure. I'm white. Rachel and I are married, with every state in the Union recognizing it.
NOT! Sorry, please try again.
http://www.herogames.com/forums/atta...achmentid=5295 Zod's a putz.
"Look! Up in the sky!"
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"It's a...naked chick?"
If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle the bejebus out of 'em with perkyness!
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The facts of the statistics won't back you up on that at all. If you felt they did - that would be the worst form of racism. It would be claiming black are inherritantly evil (as they make up 80-something percent of people in prison despite being around 12% of the population (11, 12, or 13...). Data of who does and sells drugs, who commits crimes, and so on show the evil theory to be false... so why do they end up in prison?
And why are so few of them corpoerate CEOs? It should be that 12% of all CEOs are black, and 51% are women... but it isn't.
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Sure. Considering it's summer, I'm a nice honey tan, and I game.
Sorry. Don't care for the term "people of color". I don't know anyone who's colorless.
As long as we keep labellin' people by things like color and such, the racism's gonna perpetuate.
I even mark "Other" on all apps that ask for race, then fill in "Human" in the space provided to clarify.
Isn't that the only "race" that truly defines you?
http://www.herogames.com/forums/atta...achmentid=5295 Zod's a putz.
"Look! Up in the sky!"
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"It's a...naked chick?"
If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle the bejebus out of 'em with perkyness!
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Why should it? Are that many qualified?
http://www.herogames.com/forums/atta...achmentid=5295 Zod's a putz.
"Look! Up in the sky!"
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"It's a...naked chick?"
If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle the bejebus out of 'em with perkyness!
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It occurs to me that only a small percentage of white males are corporate CEOs, when it comes down to it... wonder what arcady is prepared to do for them, since its obvious they are being discriminated (to use his logic) in some way or another
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(Sarcasm ON)
Because we're lazy fried chicken and biscuit eatin negroes, not to mention shiftless and lazy. Unless of course youre a republican negro, then youre OK.
...Oh and we love to take jobs from 'da white folk. Because, you know theyre entitled to the jobs no matter what the qualifications. Unless of course youre a republican negro, then youre OK.
(/Sarcasm Off)
Seriously though, don't get these folks started, you'll be fighting a losing battle on these boards concerning race and ethnicity, especially if youre speaking up for people of color, particularly black folk in the US.
Just back away from the keyboard, make no sudden moves...
Last edited by ShinHakkaider; Jul 26th, '04 at 07:23 AM.
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As a "person of color", I object to you portraying "us people" in such a fashion. Its narrowminded.
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And this wasn't a racist post?(Sarcasm ON)
Because we're lazy fried chicken and biscuit eatin negroes, not to mention shiftless and lazy. Unless of course youre a republican negro, then youre OK.
...Oh and we love to take jobs from 'da white folk. Because, you know theyre entitled to the jobs no matter what the qualifications. Unless of course youre a republican negro, then youre OK.
(/Sarcasm Off)
Seriously though, don't get these folks started, you'll be fighting a losing battle on these boards concerning race and ethnicity, especially if youre speaking up for people of color, particularly black folk in the US.
Just back away from the keyboard, make no sudden moves...
I asked a legitimate question. I made no generalizations or accusations. I judge people on their own merit. Everyone should do the same.
http://www.herogames.com/forums/atta...achmentid=5295 Zod's a putz.
"Look! Up in the sky!"
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"It's a...naked chick?"
If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle the bejebus out of 'em with perkyness!
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Really, how WAS this a racist post?And this wasn't a racist post?
I asked a legitimate question. I made no generalizations or accusations. I judge people on their own merit. Everyone should do the same.
You did see the sarcasm thing I put there, right?
Not to mention almost everythng that I put between those sarcasm brackets has been either outright voiced on this board or insinuated by OTHER posters on this board at some point or another. I was just encapsulating what the discussion was eventually going to degenerate to, it usually does when race discussions are involved.
ANd I'll finish this as soon as the board starts working right again...
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I got the impression that he was offended that you would attempt to speak for every person of color.
As far as racism in this society goes, it exists. The solution is not clearly agreed upon. The degree to which present racism is responsible for very alarming statistics is not agreed upon. Many of the people who disagree are not racist though they disagree with each other.
As to the open-mindedness of these boards, if you paint with a broad brush expect negative responses. I'm not particularly happy with your post assuming that I'm not open-minded enough to speak about racism.
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She was pointing out that even with the sarcasm disclaimer, it was a racist post. After all, if I put a smiley after calling someone an a**hole in a serious discussion/debate, especially if I'm disagreeing with them, I'm still calling them an a**hole.
No, I'm not calling anyone anything.
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I thought it was not a racist post because:
a) There were sarcasm tags.
b) ShinHakkaider was clearly putting on a voice ie speaking in character.
c) It was so extreme I would have assumed it was sarcastic anyway even if I didn't know that...
d) ShinHakkaider's black.
So that's what an invisible barrier looks like.
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