Crusader/Crusade and DC

[Sketchpad]

Hiya Gang,
I'm trying to recall a 4th ed DC supplement that had a new version of Crusader in it (also had a guy called Crusade) ... anyone know the name of it? Many thanks

[Lord Liaden]

Yep, that was Underworld Enemies by Chris Avellone. Brilliantly disturbing stuff, and "The Fall of Crusader" was an excellent redefining of the character.

[Eosin]

Some real creeps in there - including Crusade.

[Sketchpad]

Many thanks LL Rep is yours And I agree Eosin ... Crusade was one creepy son of a bospor!

[Enforcer84]

I made a sidekick for Crusader, Squire for the express purpose of defeating Crusade and avenging his mentor...good times...

[Sketchpad]

I've completely re-worked Crusader ... Mind you he's more Champions than Dark Champions in my campaign ... kinda Daredevil meets Captain America with a touch of Nightwing

[proditor]

I goofed on something recently. I updated and then ran the Crusade/Crusader storyline in my world, and then only after killing off Crusader did I come up with some really cool ideas on what to do with him. I got so into running the plot, I forgot I was killing off a good NPC.

[Lord Liaden]

I mostly grafted Champions Crusader's physical stats onto Dark Champions Crusader's character sheet - made him quite an effective street-level super. I also jazzed up the shield a tad with Captain America-type gimmicks: a small HA and physical EB from throwing.

BTW the "New Millennium" setting gave a very different and intriguing background to its character named Crusader... he was literally a Crusader, from the Crusades of the Middle Ages.

[proditor]

I mostly grafted Champions Crusader's physical stats onto Dark Champions Crusader's character sheet - made him quite an effective street-level super. I also jazzed up the shield a tad with Captain America-type gimmicks: a small HA and physical EB from throwing.

BTW the "New Millennium" setting gave a very different and intriguing background to its character named Crusader... he was literally a Crusader, from the Crusades of the Middle Ages.

I remember thinking the concept was interesting if a little predictable, but that the picture was very cool.

[Sketchpad]

Hey Steve ... are there plans for Crusader's return in a future supplement?

[Steve Long]

Hey Steve ... are there plans for Crusader's return in a future supplement?

Not at present. But you never know what may strike my (or some other author's) fancy somewheres down the road.

[FenrisUlf]

I think there's a guy called Crusader listed in the heading for NYC in the Champs Universe book. He's supposed to be a sword-wielding vigilante in New York, so it sounds like he's a cross between both the older characters.

Maybe he's a crime-fighting Knight of Columbus. (Hey, they wore armor and used swords -- got a picture in a book on local history and everything!)

[pinecone]

I goofed on something recently. I updated and then ran the Crusade/Crusader storyline in my world, and then only after killing off Crusader did I come up with some really cool ideas on what to do with him. I got so into running the plot, I forgot I was killing off a good NPC.

Thats not a problem...after he's dead someone can take up the fight in his (literal) name...heck it can even be a clone created by telios for some nefarious purpose (or he escaped and is not nefarious...)