Harbinger Poll

[Eosin]

Just curious what the hard numbers will show about Dark Champions darkest night.

[Killer Shrike]

Harbinger of Justice should be like unto a dark god that stalks the night streets dispensing summary "justice" upon the filthy criminal element that belleaguer the formerly great municipality that is Hudson.

[Eosin]

I think I want to marry you KS.

[lemming]

Hmm. So far three for three. Though what do you expect at 1am?

[Vondy]

I think he's a cool character with the potential to be an "iconic," but I also think he needs to be toned down a touch. Removing the insta-gun pool will go a long way towards doing that. I also thought his DX + CSL + Lightning Reflexes ratio was off the charts - but that's as much a matter of individual campaign standards and interpretation as anything (I could build batman on 500 or 1000 points (without bases and vehicles), depending on the style of play).

I don't think multiple versions of him are necessary (the version of him in the book should be the official version), but I would like to see notes on incorporating him into more than one interpretive style of play (i.e. campaign standards). For instance: "if harbringer is too powerful for your campaign remove X, Y, and Z..." or "if harbringer is a total wuss by your campaign standards you tack this obsene insta-nuke pool onto him..."

[Edsel]

I agree with Von D-Man about the instant gun pool. I like Harbinger. In my last DC campaign he was the most powerful normal in the campaign. He should have the ability and skill to back-up his reputation. I prefer him to be a normal with no super-powers per se, but very skilled. So he has no instant gun pool, but he is strong and wears a bullet-proof trench coat in which he can carry an amazing arsenal. He doesn't have a supernatural power to vanish but he has the power "vanishing teleport" to represent his amazing, but not supernatural, ability to just disappear into the night.

That sort of thing.

[Metaphysician]

Agreed. Ditch the teleporting gun pool, replace with gadget/weapon pool. Tone done some of the more obscene stat combinations, but replace with an equal value of superskills.

And since he's appearing in Hidson City, not Dark Champions, the example character complaint is totally moot.

[Killer Shrike]

I think I want to marry you KS.

Hey now, let's keep it platonic and hetero.

[OddHat]

Use him as an iconic character, with tons of Super-Skills and the best real-world equipment available, including a kick-ass base and vehicles. Use him as an example of the toughest a DC character can possibly be. Then, give a 350 point write-up showing how he began.

[KA.]

Hey now, let's keep it platonic and hetero.

Actually, if you do a little reading about Plato, you will find that those two concepts are mutually exclusive.

KA.

[Killer Shrike]

Actually, if you do a little reading about Plato, you will find that those two concepts are mutually exclusive.

KA.

Ah, but keep in mind that the term 'platonic' was not coined by Plato himself. It was attributed many centuries later by those unaware of Plato's personal sexual preference. The obsession over what historical figures were actually gay is a fairly modern one after all.

Already in use to describe the works of Plato, "platonic" was later used by Marsilio Ficino, a Renaissance-era Plato revivalist of sorts, to mean a relationship with an intellectual and/or spiritual base.

In the denotative Platonic has two meanings:

1. Of or pertaining to Plato, or his philosophy, school, or opinions
2. Pure, passionless; nonsexual; philosophical.

In this particular case I was using the word in it's second form.

[Sociotard]

Boy, this thread is frustrating for those of us who never owned anything 4th ed. harbringer? Oh, the guy on the DC cover? I still haven't bought that one.

I did like the idea of showing how he is now along with a "Harbinger: Year One" writeup

[KA.]

Ah, but keep in mind that the term 'platonic' was not coined by Plato himself. It was attributed many centuries later by those unaware of Plato's personal sexual preference. The obsession over what historical figures were actually gay is a fairly modern one after all.

Already in use to describe the works of Plato, "platonic" was later used by Marsilio Ficino, a Renaissance-era Plato revivalist of sorts, to mean a relationship with an intellectual and/or spiritual base.

In the denotative Platonic has two meanings:

1. Of or pertaining to Plato, or his philosophy, school, or opinions
2. Pure, passionless; nonsexual; philosophical.

In this particular case I was using the word in it's second form.

I know. I was just kidding!

This just reminded me of something I read in National Lampoon years ago.
In the letters section, they would have fake letters, often from historical figures. There was one from Plato that said, based on what he and his friends did, that if a girl told you she wanted a "Platonic" relationship, it meant that she wanted . . .

Well, you get the idea.

Anyway, your post just reminded me of that.

No offense intended.

KA.

[Worldmaker]

I think the HoJ is a joke. A bad joke. A bad joke where the punchline about players and point-mongering.

[Metaphysician]

So, you aren't supposed to actually spend your accumulated XP??