Get out of that

[Sean Waters]

Grabs and entangles; how do they interact with other powers. Teleport tells you you can get out of entangles using the power, but what about shapeshifting, growth, shrinking or stretching (and probably others I haven't thought of)?

OK you could just say that it depends on special effects but that is really just penalising the player who doesn't make every entangle a complete covering: maybe there ought to be a limitation or advantage for entangle to cover this?

And so to grabs. We have (probably) all seen Terminator 2 and 3 which seem to demonstrate how useless this manoeuvre is against a shapeshifter. Similarly, twisting the arm of someone with stretching powers is going to be pretty ineffective,or trying to hold on to someone who suddenly changes size. How do you handle these situations? +5 effective STR per 10 points in the relevant power for breakout purposes only?

OK then what about the shapeshifter who grabs someone? Should they get a bonus to hold on?

Now I appreciate that all these points could probably be addressed by building appropriate powers or skills (+20 STR only vs grabs and entangles...) but you don't think of every situation when you build a character, so how would you approach it?

[Killer Shrike]

Growth takes care of itself.

For the rest of it, just buy extra STR to avoid Grabs and Entangles, or take Contortionist at a high level, or a fluid-form based MA that includes Martial Escape, or DCV levels to represent that though you arent really super-dodgy youre able to avoid taking harm from some attacks just because of your freaky anatomy.

Buying the base ability to alter your form doesnt grant a free tap on duplicating other abilities. If you want those abilities you pay for them.

[Killer Shrike]

Also, mechanics oriented topics like this belong in the HERO System Discussion forum.

[Sean Waters]

I just can't seem to get which board to post on. Still,so long as there is always someone to put me right...

If I get told off for reposting this you'll back me up, yeah?

[Hugh Neilson]

I doubt KS is trying to tell you off (if nothing else, he'd be clear about it). But you get more replies on the System board because Herophiles who don't play Champions [Heathens - I can say that on this board, right? ] read and post there.

[Killer Shrike]

I just can't seem to get which board to post on. Still,so long as there is always someone to put me right...

If I get told off for reposting this you'll back me up, yeah?

Dont double post; just try to remember for next time.

[Sean Waters]

I doubt KS is trying to tell you off (if nothing else, he'd be clear about it). But you get more replies on the System board because Herophiles who don't play Champions [Heathens - I can say that on this board, right? ] read and post there.

It was Heather who told me off last time for posting on the Hero board after I realised that was the more appropriate forum...