Stargate Hero

[incrdbil]

A note about the SG-1 teams--the 9 years experience versions should have a tad bit of presence defense. They've about seen it all. Plus O'Neil seems to have developed mocking the System Lords to a fine art--a few choice words, and they can't see straight, especially through yet another SG-1 bluff.


And maybe some good reputation among a small group--ie, Tokrah, various planets they have visited.

I'm not sure how you would do this in HERO, but Jack (and a few other Humans) have the DNA that Ancients technology will respond to and allow them to at least partially operate it.

[sinanju]

A note about the SG-1 teams--the 9 years experience versions should have a tad bit of presence defense. They've about seen it all. Plus O'Neil seems to have developed mocking the System Lords to a fine art--a few choice words, and they can't see straight, especially through yet another SG-1 bluff.

System Lord Ba'al: "You dare mock me?"
O'Neill: "Ba'al, buddy, you should know...OF COURSE I dare mock you."

And let's not forget--this is the System Lord who tortured Jack to death (and revived him in a sarcophagus) several times a couple of years ago....

[shem_whistler]

A note about the SG-1 teams--the 9 years experience versions should have a tad bit of presence defense. They've about seen it all. Plus O'Neil seems to have developed mocking the System Lords to a fine art--a few choice words, and they can't see straight, especially through yet another SG-1 bluff.


And maybe some good reputation among a small group--ie, Tokrah, various planets they have visited.

I'm not sure how you would do this in HERO, but Jack (and a few other Humans) have the DNA that Ancients technology will respond to and allow them to at least partially operate it.

This came up with some of the earlier characters, it was difficult with a 150pt character to try and fit it all in.

I'm thinking of doing 350pt versions which will be season 9 characters.

As for the Ancient Gene, I did it as a Perk on Jack's write-up.

Cheers
Shem

[shem_whistler]

I'm not skilled with Hero , but that looks pretty good to me. One question I have: Is his Tactics skill perhaps a bit low? Teal'c was a first prime, and I'd think he'd have a pretty good command of tactics.

Then again, the Jaffa seem about as tactically sophisticated as the Russian Army of World War One.

150 pts was getting very tight so a lot of the skills are basic level. With a higher point version it is something I would look to increase.

Cheers
Shem

[incrdbil]

Then again, the Jaffa seem about as tactically sophisticated as the Russian Army of World War One.

Depending on how cinematic you want to be..the Jaffa should have the limitaton "must always march and make make loud metal stomping sounds whenever possible, even if on very small groups." Negative skill levels to stealth? Bonus to Per Rolls?

Of course, Master Bretac (sp?) seems like he has some tactical knowledge, and then a knowledge of typical Jaffa tactics, which, from the performance of Jaffa, might be two seperate skills.

I think the Jaffa are somethign like the evil warriors in Erik the Viking--they are so used to everyone being afraid, it messes with them a bit when people actually fight them. Their staff weapons weren't desgned to be efficient, but scary, much like their armor.

[shem_whistler]

Depending on how cinematic you want to be..the Jaffa should have the limitaton "must always march and make make loud metal stomping sounds whenever possible, even if on very small groups." Negative skill levels to stealth? Bonus to Per Rolls?

Of course, Master Bretac (sp?) seems like he has some tactical knowledge, and then a knowledge of typical Jaffa tactics, which, from the performance of Jaffa, might be two seperate skills.

I think the Jaffa are somethign like the evil warriors in Erik the Viking--they are so used to everyone being afraid, it messes with them a bit when people actually fight them. Their staff weapons weren't desgned to be efficient, but scary, much like their armor.

Yeah, the Jaffa troops are pretty Stormtrooperesque!

I agree that they are used to primitive races and as such have no real experience in Modern Earth (Tau'ri) Combat.

I also agree with the type of weapons used, the majority of Earth weapons are designed to be as efficient at killing as possible, terror is less important.

If the Jaffa were interested in killing as efficiently, I'm sure that Goa'uld tech would allow staff weapons to have a faster rate of fire.

Though if the Jaffa killed more people then their Gods would have less slaves to work in the mines, etc.

Shem

[irishspy]

If the Jaffa were interested in killing as efficiently, I'm sure that Goa'uld tech would allow staff weapons to have a faster rate of fire.

They'd also add some sort of targetting device to those staff weapons. The Jaffa are about as accurate as Stormtroopers.

[sinanju]

They'd also add some sort of targetting device to those staff weapons. The Jaffa are about as accurate as Stormtroopers.

One of the things I like about the Stargate series is that they think about such things and made this one explicit. There's a scene of Col. O'Neill addressing a bunch of rebel Jaffa. He told them that the staff weapon is a weapon of terror, and had Teal'c fire it at a hanging log target. Zap. pause. Zap.

Then he showed them an MP-5 (or something of the kind), saying, "This is a weapon of war. It is intended to KILL them ENEMY." And then he blazed away at the target, and chewed it to hell. That is why the Tauri use them.

[shem_whistler]

They'd also add some sort of targetting device to those staff weapons. The Jaffa are about as accurate as Stormtroopers.

Well, the Jaffa were cloned from a clumsy New Zealander...........

Shem

[shem_whistler]

One of the things I like about the Stargate series is that they think about such things and made this one explicit. There's a scene of Col. O'Neill addressing a bunch of rebel Jaffa. He told them that the staff weapon is a weapon of terror, and had Teal'c fire it at a hanging log target. Zap. pause. Zap.

Then he showed them an MP-5 (or something of the kind), saying, "This is a weapon of war. It is intended to KILL them ENEMY." And then he blazed away at the target, and chewed it to hell. That is why the Tauri use them.

Heh, I had that scene in mind when I was writing this, I really love the universe created in Stargate, it is very well crafted, with many factions and groups doing their own thing.

Shem

[irishspy]

One of the things I like about the Stargate series is that they think about such things and made this one explicit.

That's something I appreciate about the show, too. They're careful to make the universe "hang together," and they don't forget what's happened in the show's "past."

[Lupus]

Yeah, the Jaffa troops are pretty Stormtrooperesque!

I agree that they are used to primitive races and as such have no real experience in Modern Earth (Tau'ri) Combat.

I also agree with the type of weapons used, the majority of Earth weapons are designed to be as efficient at killing as possible, terror is less important.

If the Jaffa were interested in killing as efficiently, I'm sure that Goa'uld tech would allow staff weapons to have a faster rate of fire.

Though if the Jaffa killed more people then their Gods would have less slaves to work in the mines, etc.

Shem

Personally, I get a little disappointed by 'Jaffa shocktroopers' all the time. When we see rebel Jaffa, we see them practicing all kinds of cool martial arts. We see Tealc and Bratac - badass warriors. We see enemy Jaffa? They're cannon fodder. So whatever happened to the 80-year-old-badass Jaffa in the service of the system lords?

Maybe they're just too smart to face the heroes.

Stargate's a good series, but it still has certain 'disconnects' like this one. Ah well. In a game, that's easier to handle... can even have different Jaffa wear slightly different uniforms - those with 80 years of service may have more intricate designs, or something. So PCs know when they're up against the harsher bad dudes.

[Bucky]

So whatever happened to the 80-year-old-badass Jaffa in the service of the system lords?

At that level of training and discipline and most importantly, intelligence which comes with age, such a Jaffa would be a threat. They might start thinking they can take on God himself, which if you are system lord, is not a good thing to deal with. So as system lord, you send him on more and more difficult missions, against greater and greater odds, until he dies in your service. Instead of a potential rebel, you have a martyr to your service.

If he fails and survives, you kill him. If he fails and dies, you use his death as an example to your troops to keep them fighting for you. If he succeeds and lives, you send him out again and again until he does not come back. I guess Apophis got sloppy, which naturally comes with arrogance.

[shem_whistler]

At that level of training and discipline and most importantly, intelligence which comes with age, such a Jaffa would be a threat. They might start thinking they can take on God himself, which if you are system lord, is not a good thing to deal with. So as system lord, you send him on more and more difficult missions, against greater and greater odds, until he dies in your service. Instead of a potential rebel, you have a martyr to your service.

If he fails and survives, you kill him. If he fails and dies, you use his death as an example to your troops to keep them fighting for you. If he succeeds and lives, you send him out again and again until he does not come back. I guess Apophis got sloppy, which naturally comes with arrogance.

Is this not what happened to teal'c's father?

I might be making that up as it isn't exactly an uncommon plot idea in fiction, but I have in my head that Teal'c's father was essentially sent to his death by a system lord on a fool's errand. And in revenge Teal'c trained to be the prime of that system lords rival, Apohisis.

Can anyone verify my sanity?

Shem

[Savinien]

I thougth Teal'c's father was with Apophis and Apophis killing him is what started Teal'c thinking that he was no God.