My take on the Light Sabre

[MisterVimes]

... or Force Weapon of your choice

<table border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td align="right"><b>Cost&#160;&#160;</b></td><td><b>Equipment</b></td><td align="right"><b>END</b></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top">45&#160;&#160;</td><td><b><i>Force Weapon: </i></b>(Total: 125 Active Cost, 45 Real Cost) Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 1d6 +1 (plus STR) (vs. ED), +1 STUN Multiplier (+1/4), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), No Normal Defense (Force Fields and Force Walls; +1), Does BODY (+1) (75 Active Points); OAF (-1), STR Minimum (10; -1/2), Real Weapon (-1/4), Required Hands (One-And-A-Half-Handed; -1/4) (Real Cost: 25) plus Missile Deflection (Any Ranged Attack; Missile Reflection, Reflect At Any Target) (50 Active Points); OAF (-1), Required Hands (One-And-A-Half-Handed; -1/4), Limited Power (Real Weapon; -1/4) (Real Cost: 20) [<b>Notes:</b> 1d6+1 HKA (+STR)
NND: Force fields/Walls;
Missile Deflect on OCV vs. OCV roll;
37,500 CR]&#160;</td><td valign="top" align="right"></td></tr></table>

[keithcurtis]

I'd like to comment, but the white text on light grey background is unreadable.

Keith "set in his ways" Curtis

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by keithcurtis
I'd like to comment, but the white text on light grey background is unreadable.

Keith "set in his ways" Curtis

Um... I see white on DARK gray...

[C_Zeree]

Philisohical debate: If the blade is made from light/force/whatever, and it cuts through everything like butter, should a character really be able to do more damage based on how strong they are?

I have argued with my friend over the fact. I would set the HKA at a level and give the mod STR does not add to damage.

I like the thought of extra damage based on DEX. Different, but a more dexterous character could really carve up their opponent. But OCV does sort of take that into account.

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by C_Zeree
Philisohical debate: If the blade is made from light/force/whatever, and it cuts through everything like butter, should a character really be able to do more damage based on how strong they are?

I have argued with my friend over the fact. I would set the HKA at a level and give the mod STR does not add to damage.

I like the thought of extra damage based on DEX. Different, but a more dexterous character could really carve up their opponent. But OCV does sort of take that into account.

Good point. You could make it a 2 - 3d6 RKA (with no range) instead

[Champsguy]

Originally posted by C_Zeree
Philisohical debate: If the blade is made from light/force/whatever, and it cuts through everything like butter, should a character really be able to do more damage based on how strong they are?

I have argued with my friend over the fact. I would set the HKA at a level and give the mod STR does not add to damage.

Yeah, except the actors really seemed to put a lot of muscle into it whenever they swung those things. Otherwise, why hold them with two hands?

[Old Man]

I'm fairly certain that STR does matter for Lightsabers. Sure they can cut through anything but that doesn't mean that it does so efortlessly. Qui Gon cutting through blast door as example. It looked like he was puttin some mucle into the effort.

Missile Deflection/Reflection is a funtion of the user not the weapon. It might require a Lightsaber to block a blaster shot but the Jedi will not suddenly forget how to block arrows if he's holding a normal sword.

[keithcurtis]

Originally posted by MisterVimes
Um... I see white on DARK gray...

Ok...ok...
White on <i>slightly</i> less light gray...
about a 32% gray AAMOF. Not particularly dark.


Keith "Still can't read it unless I select the text" Curtis

PS. This is a completely spurious and facetious gripe for the humor-impaired. Go back to chopping off people's arms in bar fights.

[Aroooo]

Originally posted by C_Zeree
Philisohical debate: If the blade is made from light/force/whatever, and it cuts through everything like butter, should a character really be able to do more damage based on how strong they are?

I have argued with my friend over the fact. I would set the HKA at a level and give the mod STR does not add to damage.

I like the thought of extra damage based on DEX. Different, but a more dexterous character could really carve up their opponent. But OCV does sort of take that into account.

WEG's Star Wars had Light Saber Combat as a Force power. Anyone could wield the weapon, and do its standard damage. But someone trained in the Force could add (part of) their Force skill dice to the weapon's damage.

Often wondered how you'd do that in Hero. Maybe weapon as described (with the STR does not add damage), PLUS extra damage classes, up to your ECV level (to represent Force ability) (-1 limitation).

Aroooo

[Old Man]

Originally posted by Aroooo
WEG's Star Wars had Light Saber Combat as a Force power. Anyone could wield the weapon, and do its standard damage. But someone trained in the Force could add (part of) their Force skill dice to the weapon's damage.

Often wondered how you'd do that in Hero. Maybe weapon as described (with the STR does not add damage), PLUS extra damage classes, up to your ECV level (to represent Force ability) (-1 limitation).

Aroooo

Naw, again it's the user not the weapon. You said so yourself. It's just CSLs used to increase damage. Maybe 'Only With Lightsaber'

[Aroooo]

Originally posted by Shadowpup
Naw, again it's the user not the weapon. You said so yourself. It's just CSLs used to increase damage. Maybe 'Only With Lightsaber'

Yeah, you're right. Make it part of the character's Force "package."

I've been working on ships too much lately. Everything's starting to look like equipment

Aroooo

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by keithcurtis
Ok...ok...
White on <i>slightly</i> less light gray...
about a 32% gray AAMOF. Not particularly dark.


Keith "Still can't read it unless I select the text" Curtis

PS. This is a completely spurious and facetious gripe for the humor-impaired. Go back to chopping off people's arms in bar fights.

You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems.

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by Shadowpup
Missile Deflection/Reflection is a funtion of the user not the weapon. It might require a Lightsaber to block a blaster shot but the Jedi will not suddenly forget how to block arrows if he's holding a normal sword.

Yeah, good point. I was trying this more for a heroic level star hero game.... perhaps 'requires skill roll' to simulate needing to be a master to use it (I know that the ocv/ocv attack roll is needed as well, obviously)

[Old Man]

Missile Deflection isn't all that expensive. Getting to the "Can Deflect Anything" level is expensive. However, the last 5 points should have "Only With Lightsaber".

The thing is that while using a Lightsaber the Adder of Missile Reflection should only work with energy based attacks. I would rule that bullets arrows and thrown things just get vaporized by the Lightsaber so cannot be reflected. Adding the "Not vs Heavy Missiles" would be good too. Jedi seem to dodge cannon fire (or die from it) rather than block it with their Lightsabers.

[MisterVimes]

Originally posted by Shadowpup
Missile Deflection isn't all that expensive. Getting to the "Can Deflect Anything" level is expensive. However, the last 5 points should have "Only With Lightsaber".

The thing is that while using a Lightsaber the Adder of Missile Reflection should only work with energy based attacks. I would rule that bullets arrows and thrown things just get vaporized by the Lightsaber so cannot be reflected. Adding the "Not vs Heavy Missiles" would be good too. Jedi seem to dodge cannon fire (or die from it) rather than block it with their Lightsabers.

All excelent points... I'll look at modifying the construct