Converting Vamps to Champs

[Stallion]

I am interested in converting Vampire Dark Ages to Hero system rules. I would love to hear from you all and any assistance will certainly be put to good use. I love the game, just hate the system. Have there been previous posts on this matter?

Thank you,

Stallion

[Captain Obvious]

http://members.tripod.com/~HRClark333/Vrules.html

Here is a link converting Vampire: the Masquerade over to 4th edition. I'm not familiar enough with the game (V:tM) to say whether it's a faithful rendition or not. Either way, I'm sure it will give some ideas for you in converting Dark Ages over to 5th Ed....

[Robert Harrison]

There's another V:tM to HERO conversion on Mike Surbrook's site:

http://www.devermore.net/surbrook/wh...f/WODHERO.html

The latter half of the Vampire HERO text on Mike's site somehow got switched to Symbol font. You can probably save the text and use your word processor program to change it to a readable font (or you can email me, and I can send you the latest incarnation of these conversion notes).

[Marcus]

Both versions seem fairly faithful to the source material. The second page goes a bit more into all the buying necessary to 'Make one a Vampire', IE all those neat things that the typical Cainite player takes for granted.

Its a valid point that a serious elder, in either system, would be built on more points, and far less efficiently, than a high-end Dr. Destroyer. The one time I did it, it was an NPC, there was a fair amout of handwaving and VPPing, and I tend to just convert existing WoD Cainites to Champions rather than ground-upping them in Champions. One of my basic 'concepts' is..
John Q Normal-3 CV Champions, 3 Dice-Pools to-hit in WoD (assuming 1 point of brawl... which ought to be Everyman in WoD, if you wrestled with your brother)
Ergo...
Make sure final OCV=Dice Pool after buying up dex to match. Buy levels with appropriate abilitys to match.

John Q Normal-2 DCs Champions, 2 Dice Punch WoD.
Ergo, Dice of Damage in WoD= Damage Classes. Potences 'autodamage' feature would be handled by building it as +5 Str, with +5 more STR only to do damage.

If your cainite has a 6 Dice Pool for, say, Telepathy... 6 Dice, 6 DCs, 30 Points of Telepathy. Move along...

etc. Just my off-the-top-of-my-head Ideas.

[Marcus]

Just finished a building project for a mid-range Methusalah thats been a background Ally/Nemesis/? NPC in a local VtM game.

About 3000 points.

[Robert Harrison]

Originally posted by Marcus

Its a valid point that a serious elder, in either system, would be built on more points, and far less efficiently, than a high-end Dr. Destroyer.

I agree. Neonate vampires in my game start at about 400-450 points, yet they would have trouble with a 250-350 pt. superhero. Though I look for the cheapest way to build things, I'm more interested in emulating WoD supernaturals than point efficiency. I let players have whatever points they need to build the vampire (or other supernatural) they want (within reason), and I try to avoid introducing any flying ubermenschen in tights during play.

[Susano]

Originally posted by Robert Harrison
There's another V:tM to HERO conversion on Mike Surbrook's site:

http://www.devermore.net/surbrook/wh...f/WODHERO.html

The latter half of the Vampire HERO text on Mike's site somehow got switched to Symbol font. You can probably save the text and use your word processor program to change it to a readable font (or you can email me, and I can send you the latest incarnation of these conversion notes).

Crud. I didn't notice this. I bet is comes from saving those Word files you sent me as HTML. I'll try and get on fixing them.

[Susano]

Uhm... can you tell where, exactly, this occurs? I'm not finding it.

[misterdeath]

On my computer, it happens right about here

Active Cost: 86 for Astral Form, (Vampire character total ¸ 2.5) + 12 for dimension-travelling Duplicate

Real Cost: 34 for Astral Form, Duplicate Active Cost ¸ 3.5 for dimension-travelling Duplicate

It converts back to normal font when posted here but everything in italics and thereafter is in symbol font.

D

[Captain Obvious]

Your section for Wraith: the Oblivion goes Greek right before the Disadvantages section, too...

Nice conversions though.

[Susano]

Apparently, my browser is smart enough to ignore these tags, as I don't see the errors. Looks like I have a new side project.

[Killer Shrike]

For some reason, span tags for various mathematical symbols are doubled up. Snippet begins below

<P>Active Cost: 86 for Astral Form, (Vampire character total <SPAN
STYLE='font-family:Symbol;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'><SPAN
STYLE='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'>&cedil;
2.5) + 12 for dimension-travelling Duplicate</P>

Below I replace the leading "<" with a ! so that it will not render as HTML.

<PRE>
!P>Active Cost: 86 for Astral Form, (Vampire character total !SPAN
STYLE='font-family:Symbol;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'>!SPAN
STYLE='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'>&cedil;
2.5) + 12 for dimension-travelling Duplicate !/P>
</PRE>


The same thing happens early on the page under the Disadvantage Torpor, but because its in a table cell the SPAN is squelched by the closing of the cell.

[Susano]

Ahhh yes. This is from taking a Word file and converting it directly to HTML. I need to get back to cleaning all that up. Robert, which ones of these are complete and up to date?

[Killer Shrike]

To fix it fast, open up the HTML file in Notepad, then Find and Replace

!SPAN
STYLE='font-family:Symbol;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'>!SPAN
STYLE='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'>

with

!SPAN
STYLE='font-family:Symbol;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol'>

(Again, Im switching the "<" for !)

If you arent on a version of Windows with Find & Replace built into Notepad, Wordpad will work as well.

[Susano]

Ahem... I'm a Mac user. I don't do Windows.

(But yes, I know the drill.)