Please explain in English about the guns

[GOmezy3k]

I am trying to come up with a 30's era reporter who moonlights as a vigilante... (He "rubs out" the criminals and then writes about it)... I want him to use two .45 Colt 1911's. They hold 7 in the clip and 1 in chamber if carried cocked and locked...

We are supposed to use points to buy the equipment... I looked in the book and got all confused... no where does it say:

1911 Colt .45 = Cost X points to buy

I asked the gaming group and they started giving me all this OAF's and OOF's and POOF's & GOOF's and Real Weapon 1/4 and STR Min 1/2 and Beam 1/4 and Charges 1/2 and Stun Modifiers and 2d6 Killing is 30 Points and other crap...??????????????


Why can't things be written in a nice simple straight forward method instead of all this happy horse crap code...

So how exactly many points would I need to allocate for my character to use 2 .45 Colt Auto's???? And please no gobbly gook crap...just the numbers please...

[keithcurtis]

According to Dark Champions, p. 243
39 Active Points, 10 Real Points (after all the disadvantages)
5 points for every doubling of the guns you want to carry.

2=15 points total
3-4=20 points total, and so on.

The key is to look in tha column on a weapon table labeled "A/R" This is "Active/Real" cost, or the point cost before and after all the limitations are added.

Keith "Mr. Helpy Guy" Curtis

[GOmezy3k]

OK thanks... I don't have a copy of the new Dark Champions...its on back order... Hmm so the first gun is 10 points and the second is 5??? Interesting... Anyway, thanks I appreciate it...

[Dr. Anomaly]

OK thanks... I don't have a copy of the new Dark Champions...its on back order... Hmm so the first gun is 10 points and the second is 5??? Interesting... Anyway, thanks I appreciate it...

There's an oft-forgotten rule in FREd (and 5ER) that says to have double the number of pieces of equipment, you pay +5 points.

Since one gun is a piece of equipement, it's only 5 points to have a second one (it doubles the number).

As Keith pointed out, if you wanted 3 or 4 guns, that's another +5 points (doubles the number of guns from 2 to 4) and so on and so forth.

The "+5 points = double previous amount" is a common part of the HERO system. For example, look at Followers, Multiforms, and so on. There are many different Powers or Perks that use the "+5 points = double what I had before" mechanic. It's just that most people forget you can do it for Equipment as well.

[Kirby]

Hmm so the first gun is 10 points and the second is 5??? Interesting...

Just FYI: After you create a weapon with points, and you decide to purchase a second weapon, regardless of the cost of the original, the second only costs 5 points. It's a rule I don't particularly like (way too easy to be abused) but that's for another thread.

I can feel your pain on the weapons. I like to have martial arts weapons and while I can find the points listed, I can't always see how they created the weapons and I come up short on points or costing more. Oh well.

[Kirby]

Great, Dr. A. posts seconds before me and with a more eloquent approach. I would say "just ignore my post," but it adds to my total count. Whatever that does for me.

[GOmezy3k]

I think part of what threw me was the 30+ "Active Points" vs the "Real Points"... I haven't played Champions a whole lot so I use the Character Creator CD-R and as far as I can see it doesn't have anything to add guns to your character sheet. When I went to the book I saw the Active Points and was trying to figure out how to come up with 30+ points to buy the guns... Didn't seems right... And then when I asked the other players they started throwing all the numbers and terms at me till my head started to swim... I was trying to figure out how you took 30+ points and turned it into 10 or 12 or whatever it is... Not to mention how one gun cost 10 points and two were 15... Why not just buy two 5 point guns and get rid of the 10 point one ROFLOL...
Anyway thanks for the info.... boy do I feel like a clone..

Personally I like the games where it actually tells you a gun is X and it does X Damage... And if you want two you pay to buy two (2xX) using money not points...but the Grand-Poobah says we have to use points so......

[tancred]

Gomez, if you have Hero Designer there is a prefab in the Free Stuff section with the firearms from the 5e book (not from 5ER, I haven't looked to see if it needs revising yet).

From this prefab, you can see how the guns are actually constructed using Powers.

If you don't have Hero Designer, look at the Firearms section of FReD or 5ER; there is a fairly extensive discussion of how to build real-world weapons. (Sorry, can't give page numbers; I'm at work and don't have a book with me.)

[GOmezy3k]

OK thanks... Found it and downloaded it... Took a while to find it in my computer ROFL...

Where do I find the thing about getting the second gun for 5 points? Plus, using the prefab, it doesn't have any points under the cost...so essentially it is giving it to me free... How do I get it to add the Point Cost thing?? The only thing it will let me do is add in the money cost..not the point cost, which doesn't change the point totals....it should add to the total used points but doesn't...

[Vondy]

So, basically, you want a Hero System GUI.

Sad, but true: my beloved Hero is the CLI of the RPG world.

[tancred]

OK thanks... Found it and downloaded it... Took a while to find it in my computer ROFL...

Where do I find the thing about getting the second gun for 5 points? Plus, using the prefab, it doesn't have any points under the cost...so essentially it is giving it to me free... How do I get it to add the Point Cost thing?? The only thing it will let me do is add in the money cost..not the point cost, which doesn't change the point totals....it should add to the total used points but doesn't...

To get any second piece of equipment for +5 points, you have to use a Custom Power.
The guns normally don't show point cost because they add to the Equipment Tab. If you copy/paste them to the Powers tab, they'll show point cost (and add to the points spent on the character). You can also edit the thing and it'll show Active and Real points inside.
Hope that makes sense.

[Deejmeister]

So, basically, you want a Hero System GUI.

Sad, but true: my beloved Hero is the CLI of the RPG world.

Dude, your just came up with my new signature!

[Kirby]

So, basically, you want a Hero System GUI.

Sad, but true: my beloved Hero is the CLI of the RPG world.

Please enlighten me, I am ignorant of what GUI and CLI represent here. Would you (or someone) please explain?

[Deejmeister]

Please enlighten me, I am ignorant of what GUI and CLI represent here. Would you (or someone) please explain?

Computer terms.

GUI= Graphic User Interface (like Windoze)

CLI= Command Line Interface (like DOS)

[Vondy]

Dude, your just came up with my new signature!

Glad I could be of service.