Champions: New Millennium

**sachmo** · Apr 28th, '03, 08:16 PM

First post...and I hope it isn't a stupid one.

I'm a relative newbie to the Champions universe. I played a few times (twice, actually) many moons ago and enjoyed the game. Recently, I decided to buy the 5th Edition rulebook and see if I could get my band of geeks into some superhero roleplaying. So i bought the 5th Edition Hero rules, and the Champions sourcebook. Today at lunch, I wander into a Wizards of the Coast store and noticed that all non-wizard products are 70% off! Squealing with delight, I peruse the Champions section and I see the Resource Kit and Champions: New Millennium. I page through the New Millennium book, and notice that it is compatable with 5th Edition rules, and so I choose it.

Reading the background story has me thirsty for more. The book tells me that this book is the first in a series of 5. The next books will add to the history of the universe, and I get the impression that this book is a compilation of a number of old Champions Universe tales. I decide to follow a link to www.herogames.com/fuzion/fuzion.html mentioned in the book to see how much the other books will cost for me to follow this interesting story. Well, it seems I can't find any mention of any follow up books, nor even the one that I own.

Does anyone know anything about this book? Do they exist for sale anywhere in the universe (well, besides Ebay?) Are they worth the trouble to track down, or is there a better place to find the history of the Champions Universe?

Thanks for the help.

**Killer Shrike** · Apr 28th, '03, 08:22 PM

Oops...should have bought the Resource Kit instead -- C: NM is an artifact of previous paradigm.

In fact IIRC, the '5th ed' compatibility of that product was founded on a different intended '5th ed' -- one that never materialized.

Read Chapter 7 of the big black 5th edition rules I hope you have; its the final chapter before the Index and is comprised of 3 pages only. It gives a fairly succint history of the HERO legacy including the near fatal lapse into obscurity from which Steve Long and the DOJ saved it....

**TheEmerged** · Apr 28th, '03, 08:36 PM

/* rolls a "9" for his Enraged check

You just got away with one

**sachmo** · Apr 28th, '03, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Oops...should have bought the Resource Kit instead -- C: NM is an artifact of previous paradigm.

In fact IIRC, the '5th ed' compatibility of that product was founded on a different intended '5th ed' -- one that never materialized.

Read Chapter 7 of the big black 5th edition rules I hope you have; its the final chapter before the Index and is comprised of 3 pages only. It gives a fairly succint history of the HERO legacy including the near fatal lapse into obscurity from which Steve Long and the DOJ saved it....

Thank you so very much. Since everything is 70% off, I may just go back and buy the resource kit, too! I can always use this book for source material.

**Syberdwarf2** · Apr 28th, '03, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by sachmo
Thank you so very much. Since everything is 70% off, I may just go back and buy the resource kit, too! I can always use this book for source material.

I would suggest buying up as much of the new line (anything marked "DOJHERO###" on the spine) as possible, especially considering it's at 70% off (((drooling with envy)))))....
That way, even if you want to go back and get the early stuff (assuming they have any of it besides C:NM, even if it's bought at "full price" it's still gonna be a bargain.
Old stuff makes for great source material.

**Killer Shrike** · Apr 28th, '03, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by TheEmerged
/* rolls a "9" for his Enraged check

You just got away with one

?

**lemming** · Apr 28th, '03, 09:55 PM

Eh, there's some interesting stuff out of the New Millenium stuff. However, it's less compatable than 3rd & 4th edition hero.

At 70%, buy all the DOJ stuff. Well worth it. If you don't think so, you could always ebay it at a slight markup.

hmm, I think there's a WC store in town....

**ChaosDrgn** · Apr 28th, '03, 10:39 PM

Personally I use Bay City :P Any City book can be generic enough to use and Fuzion isn't THAT hard to bring over to 5th if you have an idea of the rules.

Just because something (or someone) isn't popular doesn't mean it can't be a good source.

**JmOz** · Apr 29th, '03, 05:37 AM

I like the NM stuff personaly (But will refraim from commenting on that which is known as Fuzion)

IIRC that is the only book of the series that got printed, while two others were printed using soley Fuzion

at 30% all are probably worth picking up to mine for story ideas

Happy gaming

**Tom McCarthy** · Apr 29th, '03, 06:09 AM

sachmo,

Champions: New Millennium was built, I believe, as a bridge between R Talsorian's Interlock system and HERO 4th edition. The characters and setting are interesting, the art is a very different style than HERO 4th edition (and not to everyone's taste), and thankfully, conversion to HERO 4th or 5th edition is easy.

If your local WOTC doesn't have Bay City and Alliances, they usually can be found inexpensively on places like eBay. As is typical on eBay, watch for a week or two and look at the price of closed auctions before deciding what to bid on them.

Still, Champions, Champions Universe, and Conquerors, Killers & Crooks deliver just as much bang for the buck,

**sachmo** · Apr 29th, '03, 07:22 AM

Thanks for all of the input, folks! I'll probably keep the book for source material. I really like the story, and I'm going back to the Wizards store to check out what they have left. I think it's just the resource kit, but for 70%, who's counting? Well, besides my wife? :P

BTW, I'm not sure if all WOTC stores are having the same sale, but the store manager did tell me that they were getting rid of all non-WOTC games and were no longer going to carry them. If that is a chain-wide decision, your local store should have the same deal.

**Killer Shrike** · Apr 29th, '03, 08:37 AM

It is chain wide. They are also getting rid of Warhammer.

**tiger** · Apr 29th, '03, 10:14 AM

Wish there was a WOTC store near me

**TheEmerged** · Apr 29th, '03, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
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Bit of a board in-joke, I once posted a writeup of myself. One of my disadvantages is Enraged (go 8-, recover 11-) when certain subjects are mentioned. C:NM is one of those subjects; by rolling a "9" I didn't go into EMERGED SMASH! mode

The source of this joke is that once, on the old boards, I made a complete jerk of myself on this subject.

**sachmo** · Apr 29th, '03, 03:35 PM

Dumb question...and I haven't read the book yet so I don't know, but here goes...

Why does C:NM make you ENRAGED? Is it the Fuzion rules? That it wasn't finished? Something else?