Champions: New Millennium

[TheEmerged]

The very concept, especially the setting (I disagree with the above statement that it was "interesting" by a wide margin), the Image-style presentation, the in-my-opinion horrible timing of what I consider to be a weak release...

/* rolls a "10"

...and a large number of other issues, but I'd better stop while I'm ahead I'm too close to this issue (and it's not the only one that can set me off) and people are certainly welcome to their opinion.

[JmOz]

The facts as I understand them follows:

Fuzion was to be Hero 5th edition, but not only did they scrap the story, they scraped the system then refered to the rules from 4th edition as being essentialy required, it was a huge mistake

they took the art and tried to imitate the "hot" comics of the day, namely Image

so anyways, in essence they ticked off almost everyone SOMEHOW,

so now people have taken there hatred over a part of it (Be it art, story, or the one I loath rules) and extend it to all parts of the project

[TheEmerged]

...and some of us hated almost every aspect of it to begin with

[Space Cadet]

Wasn't there supposed to be an adventure sourcebook for C:TNM called
Champions Worldwide released sometime in the near future,
or was that project dropped? I seem to recall seeing an ad for it
in one of last year's game magazines.

Space Cadet

[lemming]

Originally posted by Space Cadet
Wasn't there supposed to be an adventure sourcebook for C:TNM called
Champions Worldwide released sometime in the near future,or was that project dropped?

Hmm, I think anything about New Millenium can be considered not to be a going concern. I think you can find elements of New Millenium in the current products which is only natural, since some of the authors worked on both.

[Steve Long]

Fuzion was to be Hero 5th edition

That's absolutely incorrect. While I suspect that the former owners would have changed my 5E manuscript to make it a lot more like Fuzion, and I know for a fact they were going to put a conversion notes section in the book, the two systems are distinct and would have remained that way.

Wasn't there supposed to be an adventure sourcebook for C:TNM called Champions Worldwide released sometime in the near future, or was that project dropped?

There was such a book. In fact, it was written; I wrote two parts of it, Tomas Skucas wrote a part, Doug Tabb wrote a part, I forget who else was involved (there were five or six parts, IIRC). But as the company slipped into general malaise and found itself unable to actually get anything published, it fell by the wayside, where it has remained. I may eventually mine my own parts of it for use in something else, but the book as a whole certainly isn't applicable to the CU.

[JmOz]

Steve has corrected my statement,

HOWEVER, I know that many gaming stores BELEIVED it was to be 5th edition (note I am refering to the 1st edition of C:NM here, not the second), now this might have been just bad communication, but at the time the internet was in it's infancy and accurate gaming information was far and inbetween for the consummer. Steve as a designer at the time would have had a better "inside track" than what I knew at the time.

To be honest, while I disagree with some things done sense DOJ has taken over, I have to say that I am impressed with the way they have kept communications high.

[lemming]

Grrr. Just checked out the WotC store in Portland. Barely anything in the Roleplaying section. All D20. blek.

[Jerry A!]

Originally posted by lemming
Grrr. Just checked out the WotC store in Portland. Barely anything in the Roleplaying section. All D20. blek.

WoTC stores are now only carrying WoTC and select D20 stuff. That's why non-WoTC stuff has been on clearance for the past few months.

[lemming]

Originally posted by Jerry A!
WoTC stores are now only carrying WoTC and select D20 stuff. That's why non-WoTC stuff has been on clearance for the past few months.

That's why I was checking it out to see if there was anything still there on sale. Still some stuff, but nothing to make a trip for.

[ChaosDrgn]

Originally posted by JmOz
HOWEVER, I know that many gaming stores BELEIVED it was to be 5th edition (note I am refering to the 1st edition of C:NM here, not the second), now this might have been just bad communication, but at the time the internet was in it's infancy and accurate gaming information was far and in between for the consummer.

Although not an insider I was on the site at that time and kept a small ear to what was going on. From people I talked to (online and real life) that was the big thing about Fuzion. The former owners said "We're coming out with 5th," Fuzion came out with a big "vol 5 #1" on it's cover and people went "This is 5th? It's not what we were promised!" and therefore raised a stink about it. This was at a time that not only was this board around but so were 2-3 Hero/Champion's egroups, an irc channel for Hero, and a good numbered websites. The problem was there wasn't all that many internet uses at the time. Out of 8 gamers only 4 of us had net access. And even then I belive me and one other person checked the site/forums ever few days to see what was going on.

I honestly think that's why Fuzion got the bad rap it did. A lot of people looked at it as a replacement for 5th and not on it's own. It's a good lesson in how not to market something. IMHO if it had come out as a core book called HeroLite, then a supplement called Champion's:NM it would've gone over a lot more with people. Also if it had been made plain in the book that it wasn't ment to be Hero 5 it would've gone better.

As I've said before. I read the rules, I own the books. To me it's a "what if champion's were written by Image?" but I'm a lil biased at that. If you look back when they were printed Image was still on top and Marvel had signed Liefield and Lee to do Heroes Reborn.