[Rules-fu] Resistant Power Defense

[buzz]

When would one need Power Defense that was resistant?

[Roy_The_Ruthles]

killing attacks with AVLD attacking power defense...

[buzz]

Thanks, Roy!

[Roy_The_Ruthles]

no problem, thanks for your thread about loop character generation

[Black Lotus]

Hmmm... Resistant Power Defense sounds like it has very limited functionality, because it's so highly specialized.

Still, I'm glad I know the answer to this question.

[Edsel]

Wouldn't an NND (vs. Power Defense) KA with the Does BODY advantage also require resistant Power Defense to resist?

[Black Lotus]

Wouldn't an NND (vs. Power Defense) KA with the Does BODY advantage also require resistant Power Defense to resist?

Probably, now that you mention it. Took me a few seconds to absorb all the aspects of that description.

[Roy_The_Ruthles]

yes it would, but that'd be +2 vs +1.5 either way, special attacks need rPower, as opposed to regular drains and transforms

[Ura-Maru]

Ah, I don't think so.

I've never even heard of 'resistant' power defense. Or Flash Defense. Or Presence Defense. (If presence defense still existed, at least)

a Killing AVLD 'Power Defense' treats all presence defense as if it were already resistant, unless I'm very much mistaken.

Sort of on the 'AVLD must use an existing special defense' therory. NO ONE has resistant Power Defense. Therefore, it's not a valid defense for an AVLD.

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[buzz]

NO ONE has resistant Power Defense.

5ER, p.215: "Power Defense is not Resistant, but characters may purchase Damage Resistance for it."

[Ura-Maru]

Well, what do you know. I never noticed that. It's under Flash Defense, too.

I'd put it down as an oversight. My argument still stands. If you assume that thier default state is 'nonresistant', AVLD killing attacks have no defense at all. Unless I'm mistaken, no published characters, and no personal character I've ever seen, has 'resistant' power defense.

Seems like a fair question to ask Steve in 'Rules Questions'.

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[Black Lotus]

I'd put it down as an oversight. My argument still stands. If you assume that thier default state is 'nonresistant', AVLD killing attacks have no defense at all. Unless I'm mistaken, no published characters, and no personal character I've ever seen, has 'resistant' power defense.

AVLD KAs don't have Defense, and... no other kinds of Attacks have DEF, either. Attacks don't have DEF. I don't understand what you mean by "AVLD killing attacks have no defense at all." Explain?

[Ura-Maru]

I meant that there would be no defesnse _against_ them.

[Black Lotus]

I meant that there would be no defesnse _against_ them.

No, actually AVLD Powers must be directed against Flash Defense, Mental Defense, Power Defense, etcetera. So if it's an AVLD KA, only Resistant Mental, Flash, or Power Defense (whichever one the AVLD is selected for) would protect against it.

[Ura-Maru]

-shrug-

I suppose, if you applied everything literally. If you ignore the fact that no one HAS resistant Power Defense.

That's my point. AVLDs require you to take a defense for them, as you say. (and so did I, though not very well, it seems) I would consider 'a defense that no one in the history of the game has ever purchased' to be functionally equivalent to 'no defense.'

It's not like AVLD Killing Attacks are getting screwed doing it my way. 3d6N AVLD Does Body costs 52.5 points, and does 3 body and 10.5 Stun on average. 1d6K AVLD Does Body costs 52.5 points, and does 3.5 body and 8.75 Stun on average.

Roughly equivalent, no?

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So if I take an AVLD drain, bought with its defense as Flash Defense, does that mean I have to buy Flash Power Defense to protect against it?