Champions Universe Plot Hole Plugging

[Kristopher]

Humans were not supposed to be that technologically advanced of a species.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. None at all.

[Mutant for Hire]

That's was my point above though. The species whose technology didn't involve physics-breaking leaps [like the Malvans] were basically unchanged by the event [other then the fact that their gladitorial games got more boring]. Human technology took bold leaps after the magic was returned. Humans were not supposed to be that technologically advanced of a species. They suffered when the magic went away; and I'm sure other species did as well.

You're missing my point. The point is that Earth got a lot of alien tech which wouldn't have shut down due to the magic levels dropping, and yet for some reason it mysteriously did and all of the aliens on Earth went home for reasons unexplained.

The benefit is continuity. You can do time travel adventures and have information to base your encounters on. Your FF team can see what the AW world was like, or the TE, or the GF worlds. And you get to use all the same species you are familiar with. Too me that's interesting. I love continuity. When a comic company drops their continuity is the point where I stop paying attention to them.

I could easily do a cross-dimensional adventure instead, and there are plenty of things to fill in the gap which build on the modern day CU and don't suddenly pretend the past never existed.

[OddHat]

The books don't say this anywhere. All it says is that super-tech fails in about 2 years [and we don't know how much alien tech is super-tech]. We don't know what happens to whatever aliens are on the planet. Most of them probably just die over time and get lost to history.

Well, whether or not this is something that is well handled is something that it will be hard to get agreement on. For my part, when I read through the Hidden Lands decriptions of the abilities and history of the Empyreans, Lemurians, Shambala, etc, I don't think that the rise and fall of magic levels in the CU enhances the meta-story, and I don't think it's followed all that closely by the writers. Demon gave me the same impression. The Aliens and Alien Tech on Earth issue doesn't work for me either; the CU has Malvans wandering around major cities in the present day. That should have a lasting impact, Super Tech failure or no.

Personally, I think the CU works better if you ignore the magic rise and fall meta-plot, and work in other explanations for the post WWII proliferation of Supers. Getting rid of the Supers in time for Star Hero doesn't matter to me at all. I'd have gone the Dark Champions / Hudson City route, and just used the parts of the setting that didn't require Supers for the hard SF game, maybe with an alternate time line in Galactic Champions explaining the role of Supers in a future-history where they never vanished.

[TheQuestionMan]

RELEASE DATES PLEASE!!!

I orderd copies through my local FLAGS, but when???

Cheers

QM

[TheQuestionMan]

Both Of The Algeron Files Books

Stop Teasing

Qm

[Wormhole]

Plot Hole: VIPER Agents (and agents of similar organizations) commiting such pedestrian crimes as robbing banks and jewelry stores.

The Plug: First, you got to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. Bank and jewelry store hiests are optimal first assignments for newbies and allow the bosses to seperate the promising up-and-comers from the cronic numbskulls. Once a group of rookies shows that they can complete several robberies in a row without any significant F-ups or loose ends, you know they're ready to move on to bigger things.

Second, the newbies and their hiests make a good distraction for the heroes and the authories while the more experienced and competent members of the organization are pursuing more important objectives.

Profitability is also a factor, through the procedes of these hiests are usually peanuts compared to what other ops are bringing in.

[incrdbil]

The main problem these days is that there would be a ton of people, starting with the Federal government on down who would want to know who the overpowered vigilante in spandex really is. They'd start taking high resolution photographs and then using computer processing to digitally peel back the mask and work out what they look like underneath.

Thats more of a genre thing than a plothole. Why isn't that being done in every superhero game, not just the Champions Universe.