DC's Best Martial Artist

[fbdaury]

1.Shiva/Cassandra Cain
2.Batman/David Cain/Connor Hawke/Richard Dragon
3.Bronze Tiger/Question/Nightwing
4.Nightshade/Black Canary/Zeist/Prometheus

Okay, that's more than 10 and I don't know the exact order that I would put them in except to say that Cass is #1 and Shiva #2...

[Hawksmoor]

Prometheus I would say is disqualified since he augments his MA abilities with that helmet of his.

After all Bats did beat him by 'cheating'. And of course Oracle held him at bay from a WHEELCHAIR!!!

Hawksmoor

[Enforcer84]

1.Shiva/Cassandra Cain
2.Batman/David Cain/Connor Hawke/Richard Dragon
3.Bronze Tiger/Question/Nightwing
4.Nightshade/Black Canary/Zeist/Prometheus

Okay, that's more than 10 and I don't know the exact order that I would put them in except to say that Cass is #1 and Shiva #2...

Thanks for the Ballot! I will enter your choices when I get home!

[fbdaury]

Prometheus I would say is disqualified since he augments his MA abilities with that helmet of his.

After all Bats did beat him by 'cheating'. And of course Oracle held him at bay from a WHEELCHAIR!!!

Hawksmoor

Yes, but without the helmet he is still versed in dozens of different martial art styles- the helmet just overrides his own knowledge with that of others- PS:Oracle is still pretty darn dangerous and would likely be up there on the top fifteen if not top ten were she able to walk...

[Chuckg]

You're forgetting that Catwoman took him down with a single whip shot -- and that was when his helmet was *working*.

Prometheus is deadly if he has prep time or the upper hand, but he's not able to adapt to changing circumstances *at all*. Too gimmicky and narrowly focused. Not really a contender.

[Enforcer84]

You're forgetting that Catwoman took him down with a single whip shot -- and that was when his helmet was *working*.

Prometheus is deadly if he has prep time or the upper hand, but he's not able to adapt to changing circumstances *at all*. Too gimmicky and narrowly focused. Not really a contender.

Well she did hit him in the nads. That's gotta hurt.

[Twilight]

Well she did hit him in the nads. That's gotta hurt.

Also, you have to take into account that a properly wielded bullwhip can take a man's head off so it's not like he got love tapped. Besides he got sneak attacked and if a sneak attack can be used as an argument when Batman gets taken down, it can also be used in the defence of Prometheus.

[Chuckg]

Sneak attacked? Precisely how do you sneak attack someone from directly in front of him? With a *bullwhip*?

[Twilight]

Prometheus is walking through the crowd of hostages, takes the shot from the whip in the nads and goes down. He sees Catwoman standing there and acts surprised as if he didn't expect her to be there, let alone helping out the Justice League. Now if Prometheus had seen her as Chuck seems to be suggesting, why would he be surprised? Indeed, why would he not have used the skills his helmet gave him to avoid the attack? Obviously because he'd not seen her previous to that point.

Sounds like a sneak attack to me.

[Prometheus]

Prometheus I would say is disqualified <SNIP>

Hawksmoor

For a second there I though you were picking a fight.

That... other guy definitely has some training- it's in his origin story. I'd say relying on the helmet does disqualify him though, since it's a gadget. And seeing how he had to download the skills of top 30 martial artist to beat Bats, it does kind of imply that likely he himself isn't one of them.

'Sides, the guy doesn't have enough sense to wear a cup?

[Twilight]

Or the whip struck with such force that the cup, if he did wear one, was inneffective. However that's just me nitpicking.

[Chuckg]

> Prometheus is walking through the crowd of hostages, takes the shot from the
> whip in the nads and goes down. He sees Catwoman standing there and acts
> surprised as if he didn't expect her to be there, let alone helping out the
> Justice League. Now if Prometheus had seen her as Chuck seems to be
> suggesting, why would he be surprised?

Are you telling me that Prometheus has reflexes so slow that Catwoman has time to:

a) walk through a crowd of reporters
b) take off her civilian disguise (as she'd infiltrated said crowd of reporters as Catherine Grant) and reveal her costume
c) take out her bullwhip (which was stowed, her being in civvies)

and

d) flick ye whip?

And finish this all before he can even hope to dodge?

If so, then the guy's obviously so slow on the uptake that he's *not* fit for this high-level a competition.

[Prometheus]

Or the whip struck with such force that the cup, if he did wear one, was inneffective. However that's just me nitpicking.

If I were fighting any JLA team that included the Huntress, not only would I wear one, I'd make sure it was heat and shatter resistant, and as batarang proof as I could make it.

And I'd paint it yellow, just to be on the safe side.

[Twilight]

Well obviously she'd already gotten into position previously because Selina is not one to waste time. Now considering what's neccesary to disguise one's identity in the DC Universe, that is to say, not very much she could conceivably have made the change quite quickly. That's assuming she didn't hit him in the nads with the whip strike first.

At any rate, my argument is not about his place in the rankings it's about wether or not he was sneak attacked. Now since previously in this storyline he was shown to be capable of defeating the Batman in hand to hand combat reasonably quickly, why would he have let the attack happen if he saw Catwoman there?

[Twilight]

If I were fighting any JLA team that included the Huntress, not only would I wear one, I'd make sure it was heat and shatter resistant, and as batarang proof as I could make it.

And I'd paint it yellow, just to be on the safe side.

Fair point, though he'd really only need it to be heat and shatter resistant. Most of the JLA-ers don't go for the nads after all as most of them don't need to.