Non Hero Designer software?

[Thag13]

What does any of this have to do with HD2 or 3???

[incrdbil]

What does any of this have to do with HD2 or 3???

Well, gamers use HD2, and will use HD3..and gamers and buffets often go together...and...

ohh, shiny!

[Curufea]

I went to a buffet this year. It was quite nice. Indian food.

[Simon]

I'm heading out to a quiet beach island getaway (which serves some of the best cheese burgers on the planet) in about two months -- does that count? I'll almost certainly drink my share of margaritas while there....







....it would make any true Buffet fan proud.....

[incrdbil]

I'm heading out to a quiet beach island getaway (which serves some of the best cheese burgers on the planet) in about two months -- does that count? I'll almost certainly drink my share of margaritas while there.....

Heaven on earth with an Onion Slice.

Don't forget to have some grapefruit, chew a little jucy fruit. It's good for your soul.

[ghost-angel]

So Dan's gonna go have some Cheeseburger's in Paradise...

nice.

[Curufea]

Nice weather we're having here too. Apart from the cyclones, of course

[archermoo]

When's the last time you were asked to pay first before being served at a restaurant (a real restaurant, not a fast-food joint)? There's a straw man for every occassion, and you aren't proving anything useful by trying to find something to argue about. Try sticking to the topic.

Sorry you don't like my post, and sorry you don't like that topics drift. Someone posted something and I responded to it. I didn't change the topic between their post and mine, so if you don't like the direction the conversation went, take it up with the guy I was responding to. If I see a post that I want to respond to, I respond to it. I won't censor myself because they went off on a tangent.

I'm not looking for an argument, I'm having a discussion. I've known several people with similar opinions in the past, and I asked the same type of questions of KA as I have asked those people. I don't really understand the mindset, so I question it to better understand it. Just because you assume that I had some ulterior motive for asking my questions and that I wasn't honestly looking for information doesn't make it so.

[Super Squirrel]

You know... you can mention as many examples as you want that involve going into an establishment and buy something. I'm sure if this was a matter of walking into the Department of Justice Headquarters to buy the game, they'd let you play with Hero Designer in all regards before being obligated to buy. But guess what, you are buying software for a freaking computer, online. You are essentually an anonymous no one that is neither seen coming or going from the store. So restrictions on merchandise are expected.

[bblackmoor]

Several Buffet places make you pay before you sit down.

I go to buffets all the time, all over town, and I have never even heard of that practice.

More to the point, it is irrelevant. There is no end of examples of consumable goods you pay for before, or after, using them. The bottom line is that only a moron spends money on durable, non-consumable product -- including software -- without trying it first, and that in the case of Hero Designer, evaluating a full, unrestricted installation of the software is easily accomplished, so much so that it makes the restrictions on the "demo" version merely insulting, unnecessary, and pointless. People who will buy the software will buy the software. People who won't, won't.

[Simon]

That would be _your_ opinion. It may be nice if you actually expressed it as such rather than your normal method of claiming it as established fact -- it is anything but and MANY extremely smart, prosperous, and experienced folks in the industry hold a vastly different opinion.

I go with my own -- you get a free demo which gives you a taste (not the full product). If you like the taste, you pay for the full package, if not, then you go your merry way.

[incrdbil]

I recall one demo proogram I used-- the Army Builder software. The Demo version severely limits the size of forces, doesn't let you save lists, though you can print them out. For what it is needed for though, the demo of HD is actually less limited than the Demo of AB, because you could at least printscreen an maximized screen to get your listing, but you could not really do full sized forces. It's a pretty handy and is (or was when I was doing GW games) a pretty popular program, and the limited nature of its Demo didnt seem to harm its sales. Knowing how cash strapped GW players are, I say the limitations were pretty darn wise.

When you make it possible to use somethign for free, just occasionally having to put up with finding a demo again, some of them will do just that.

It's hard to find out the true effect, because I doubt we'd get an honest answer polling people-- "If you could download fully functioning time limited HD demos for free, would you ever wind up paying for the full version?"

[bblackmoor]

If you like the taste, you pay for the full package, if not, then you go your merry way.

That's your perogative, and I support your right to it.

[Starwolf]

Ok....durable items you don't usually get to test before you buy, guns, stoves, washing machines, most types of battery powered gadgets (as they need to receive an initial charge before use).

But I think more to the point of the discussion, most software, video, and music type things, even when on CD/DVD now that home burners are readily available are non-returnable unless you happen to purchase a defective product. And why is this? These industries are rampant with piracy, and product theft... The producers have to protect themselves somehow.. I think a fully functional, non-time limited demo is simply inviting theft. One of the life lessons I learned in my Navy career is to help keep the other guy honest by not tempting him...keep my belongings secured, so as to not invite mishap. This philosophy would IMHO be the wisest course of action in the software industry too.

[Simon]

Ok....durable items you don't usually get to test before you buy, guns, stoves, washing machines, most types of battery powered gadgets (as they need to receive an initial charge before use).

But I think more to the point of the discussion, most software, video, and music type things, even when on CD/DVD now that home burners are readily available are non-returnable unless you happen to purchase a defective product. And why is this? These industries are rampant with piracy, and product theft... The producers have to protect themselves somehow.. I think a fully functional, non-time limited demo is simply inviting theft. One of the life lessons I learned in my Navy career is to help keep the other guy honest by not tempting him...keep my belongings secured, so as to not invite mishap. This philosophy would IMHO be the wisest course of action in the software industry too.

That's also the course of action that is (by and large) followed by the software industry.

Open Source projects and shareware aside, the vast majority of software available on the market today does not have any form of demo, much less a fully-functional, no-purchase-necessary "demo".