They wont die

[Asperion]

As defined in their initial appearance the Borg were supposed to be all but indestructible. They possess a speed that none could match, a regeneration that would heal damage almost as soon as it was made, hulls would almost completely absorb the entire blast of multiple torpedoes, in short there was nothing that the Enterprise could do to damage the Borg and if they were damaged their regen systems would heal the damage almost instantly. Other appearances would weaken them to the point that the Federation could destroy them.

According to the original appearance were the Borg truly indestructible? All comments welcome, either side accepted.

[Peregrine]

It was a matter of (lack of) technological parity. As the Trekverse continued on, the Federation developed technology more effective against the Borg (like Tommy guns... ). Which begs the question of how the Federation got spanked in the Dominion War if they had advanced their tech that much to deal with the Borg...

[Old Man]

IIRC it wasn't that the Borg were indestructible, but that they were very very quick to adapt. So Ent-D phasers were used to blast several large chunks out of a Borg cube that became immune to them thirty seconds later. When the cube was boarded, hand phasers cut down a few individual Borg, then more Borg showed up that were equipped with phaserproof shields.

I didn't see very many Borg episodes after Wolf 359 so I don't know how many ways the Borg were defeated. It seems to be a question of how many new methods of defeating them you can come up with.

[CSgeekHero]

C'mon. It's Star Trek: The Next Generation. I mean didn't they have Worp marry Helen of Troi then adopt Riker's Island as his brother or something like that...

[Curufea]

It isn't a problem with the Borg. It's a problem with the writers of Trek.
They created an unstoppable force, and then had to make that force weaker because they needed to stop it. After that, they completely changed the concept of the force, because it proved popular and they were desparate for ratings.

Ignore the later episodes about the Borg. In fact, try not to think about the continuity in Trek at all - it only leads to frustration and depression.

[CSgeekHero]

It isn't a problem with the Borg. It's a problem with the writers of Trek.
They created an unstoppable force, and then had to make that force weaker because they needed to stop it. After that, they completely changed the concept of the force, because it proved popular and they were desparate for ratings.

Ignore the later episodes about the Borg. In fact, try not to think about the continuity in Trek at all - it only leads to frustration and depression.

I got a better idea, ignore everything after The Wrath of Khan. Why? STIII was wildly inconsistent even for Trek. They've tried several different ways to explain the age of the Enterprise because of the foolish line about it be forty years old. STIV was entertaining, but the injoke about being a cashless society got carried too far and later turned into abject communism. STV and VI were just terrible. Then there is everything tainted by the touch of Rick Berman.

[SteelDoom]

As defined in their initial appearance the Borg were supposed to be all but indestructible...According to the original appearance were the Borg truly indestructible? All comments welcome, either side accepted.

Q introduced the Federation to the Borg much earlier than they would normally have met them so they would have a chance of resisting. I see it as more a comparative tech question. The Borg, in general, were more advanced than most cultures because of their strategy of absorbing everything they could get their hands on. The Federation in comparison had more capacity to create something new, so even though their general tech was lower they could create what was needed to win. Which by the way they (ST:TNG) did and abandoned it as an immoral action. Later of course Janeway cheated horribly and Voyager got armour plating that replicated itself directly onto the hull, this and other things led to the crippling of the Borg as a galactic threat.

[Manic Typist]

Why was it immoral?

[SteelDoom]

Why was it immoral?

I can't remember all the details of the episode, but thet invented a virus that would have spread via the unimatrix. They were going to give it to a borg drone they found that was outside comms range. It would have worked but they had moral issues with it... go figure.

[Badger]

Hmm, sounds like proof that war aint the best place to suddenly get holier-than-thou. Apparently, Janeway didnt get the memo.

[Manic Typist]

... They're BORG! One of the biggest threats the galaxy had ever faced! Also, their perfect MOOKS! There are NO moral qualms when killing BORG. That's what they're there for!

[Outsider]

Except if it was someone you knew or of your species... then you go through all sorts of special efforts to de-borgify them (Picard, 7 of 9)

They're only qualmlessly killable mooks if they're some sort of alien. Very non-trek, now that I think about it.

[naturaltwenty]

I wonder if there was an easily identifiable trait for the "red shirt" borgs or those that were destined to die? Perhaps those with the eye pieces on the left eye were the red shirt equivalents?

Now I'll have to go back and watch the borg related episodes looking for the commonality...or I could just get back to work.

Later

Greg Volz
Natural Twenty Gaming
www.naturaltwenty.com

[Jaxom]

Wait, did you just say that you were going to watch a collection of Trek episodes looking for continuity? Didn't you read Curufea above? Spare yourself and just go in for an elective lobotomy now.

On a more serious note, I would blame it on the writers too... There was just never any overall continuity like you find in the Joss Whedon scripts. As a result you get filk songs like "Makin' some sh*t up". It was so bad that even filk singers noticed that they'd write themselves into a corner and then make up something to get themselves out of their jam.

[Thia Halmades]

I don't recall enough of the Borg origin to determine if they were ever invincible - the first recollection I have is that they had Phase Shielding and required modulating phasers to drop. I also found it odd that for all their mad tech, they couldn't generate basic names. How does 7 of 9 differentate herself from 7 of 9 and 7 of 9, who's right down the hall? They're ALL 7 of 9. Eesh.

Generally speaking I enjoy Trek, and I enjoy the concept of naval starship combat (which is why I like Trek). The Borg were bizarre in their approach and execution. Nothing more to be said about it, really. They were built all wrong. Too many points for the PCs, so then someone had to go back and redo the sheet.

"How many points is an impentrable field?"
"Er... well, according to the Star Trek technical manual, a hand Phaser can tear through a hull, and we saw one disintegrate some diseased girl."
"Disintegrate? As in... dis-integrate?"
"You betcha. Nothin' but dust."
"... how much is that thing BUILT on?"